User talk:Seahawk01/Archive 1

A cup of coffee for you!

 * what a great first comment on my user page! Thanks for all your help :-) Seahawk01 (talk) 06:47, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you in Seattle? I used to live there but only visit nowadays. I will be in Seattle in early December and posted a meetup at Cafe Allegro at Meetup/Seattle. If you are around I could meet you then or perhaps for coffee another time. Thanks.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  16:46, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * ah, I wish I was close to Seattle! Nice town. I used to live out in Los Angeles, but now I'm living in upstate New York (lots of hawks flying overhead)...far from any meetups. Would love to do a bit of travel in a few months, so perhaps we can meet for coffee at a later date. Thanks. Seahawk01 (talk) 04:38, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia!
Just wanted to say hello and welcome you to the community! Wanted to say that you're really awesome for taking time to learn about how Wikipedia functions, and for being bold on edits. Hope to be seeing you around - and go hawks! ChunyangD (talk) 08:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * thanks! I love to figure out how the system works...it's kind of fun :-) Seahawk01 (talk) 04:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Terry v. Ohio
I saw the statement of your intent to revise Terry v. Ohio and would like to "be involved". I'm new at this, but am very interested. Not really qualified to do anything other than ask questions, and make suggestions. I've read the Article several times over the years, and have a bit of a "vision", but do not want to impede whatever it is that you intend to do. One area of improvement I think the Article could use is "slanting" the article towards how the case is used to justify "stop and frisk" which as you know is a hot political issue at the time. My vision is that the average Reader comes to the Article curious about how a case about an "expert pick pocket detection Police Officer" finding handguns on 3 thieves on the street" somehow justifies making "contact" (in the Police sense of the word) with people who have apparently committed no crime, and frisking them, and how this event can possibly open the door to the allegation of "Racial Profiling". The core of my interest centers on the idea that there are a lot of things being said about "Stop and Frisk" that may or may not be true, and the legal landscape amongst laypeople is muddled, which undermines a general lack of respect for law, even if that landscape is crystal clear, which it may not be.  I don't know either way, and most people (other than lawyers trained in the law) don't know either.  Clarifying this perception of ambiguity would/should be something the Article does as an explicit goal (while upholding all of Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards, obviously). I watch a lot of Police (body cam and vehicle) videos, and see several patterns within them. Words like (Police) "contact", "Officer Safety", "area of immediate control", "plain sight", and an increase in the number of average people asserting their right to "not answer questions", actions such as refusing to lower the window of their car beyond a minimum to have a conversation with a Police Officer, refusing sobriety tests, refusing to cooperate at "sobriety check points", etc... Lay people are attempting to learn the law, and apply it IRL with varying degrees of "success" and (colossal) failure. People sometimes get killed because they 1) have a faulty understanding of these types of laws, and/or 2) because Law Enforcement fails to enforce them correctly. I'm volunteering. Can you put me to use?Tym Whittier (talk) 17:08, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit busy to make a full reply today, but will do in a few days. For now, in addition to Terry v. Ohio check out the following: Terry stop, Consent search, Traffic stop, Whren v. United States...especially the talk pages where I put notes. As for helping, it is so much to do, just choose a paragraph and take ownership of it! For example, would be good to outline all the class-action lawsuits relating to "stop and "frisk". I put some notes at Talk:Terry stop which need to be moved into the article. Later, other people will come by and correct it, so don't worry too much about writing style. Seahawk01 (talk) 00:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * btw, Terry v. Ohio needs to be rewritten. But, right now, I think Terry stop is the better page to work on. Stop and frisk redirects there. Ultimately, would like to breakout "Stop and frisk" to a separate page and also "Pretextual stop". Thanks again! Seahawk01 (talk) 00:19, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all of that. I'm relatively new, and hit Wikipedia several times a day. I'll look into all of this.Tym Whittier (talk) 08:03, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, left reply on your talk page Seahawk01 (talk) 05:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)