User talk:Sean.tyl.and

Welcome
Hi Sean.tyl.and. Welcome to Wikipedia!

I'm an online ambassador for your Global Youth Studies course. If you have any questions or need help with anything, feel free to leave me a message over on my talk page. You can also find help at the Teahouse, at the links on Questions, or on IRC. Gobōnobō + c 05:24, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello!
Hi Sean, just dropping by to wish you luck on our Global Youth Studies project this semester! Tapbh (talk) 21:43, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Topic of Interest
How do acts of youth violence correlate to the opportunity of youth education?
 * Please post this on your user page with links to articles that you are considering for edits. Please talk to Prof. V or User:Abbey Maynard to help you jump start your work - please contact us soon! Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 03:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions
Sean.tyl,

I'd be interested to hear about what you've been thinking about doing for your project. If you need some ideas, stop on by during my office hours this week. Best of luck!

AbbeyMaynard (talk) 18:40, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes: can change topic
Hi Sean.tyl.and! You can change your topic (it's the last possible moment, but yes), but you will need to write a new proposal. Also, please disclose if this work is associated with another class. I think it is a potentially rich topic. Have you thoroughly explored what has been written on WP about the DREAM Act and Deferred action? This might give you some ideas, too. Cheers. Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 21:52, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Undocumented Youth


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Undocumented Youth requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, images, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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 * I see you are part of some sort of scheme of study using Wikipedia. Please do not try to run before you can walk. This empty article was the result of premature submission. Your course structure guides you in when and how to create articles. Please follow that structure, and learn from your tutor and ambassador. Fiddle   Faddle  22:29, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

New topic
Hi Sean.tyl.and,

I saw that you expressed interest in having your topic be undocumented youth and look forward to seeing your proposal. Was there a particular aspect of undocumented youth that you wanted to explore?

You have a couple of options with this topic (and I'm assuming here that you are specifically addressing undocumented youth in the United States). You could address the topic in an article that already exists. The DREAM Act article is about the legislation addressing access to education for undocumented youth, but doesn't have much room to discuss a lot aside from the legislation. The illegal immigration to the United States article has little to say about adolescents, but is already fairly developed and is a highly visible and contentious article. There is currently no article for undocumented youth, though I'm unsure whether the Wikipedia community would accept an article with that exact title. Still, a stand-alone article might be an option, depending on the scope and how you frame it.

I should caution you that with controversial topics such as illegal immigration, it is especially important to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Let me know if you have any questions. Gobōnobō + c 02:05, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Gobonobo, the proposal/draft is up in Sean.tyl.and's sandbox.

Good sandbox draft emerging!
Keep it up! Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 21:11, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Draft Feedback
Sean.tyl.and,

Impressive sandbox! You've done a great job with neutral tone, especially with such a touchy subject. I don't actually have that many suggestions for you at this point except for to just add more information and work on a lead-in paragraph. If the first paragraph is meant to be a lead-in, just recall that it doesn't need a subsection title, so you'll want to get rid of that. If you're struggling with what to add, just go through the article and ask yourself if, as a potential reader, there are gaps in information and how can you fill them in. A minor suggestion: change the format of the Law section, I think complete sentences would fill out the article a bit more nicely and add a bit of bulk to your article. Since its new, its just going to be hard to make it as flushed out as other articles. At least giving it the appearance as a more complete piece would help readers trust the article more.

AbbeyMaynard (talk) 01:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Feedback on your undocumented youth draft
Hi Sean.tyl.and.

I didn't realize that you would be only focusing on undocumented youth in the United States. I guess I was expecting an article on undocumented youth in any/all countries. If you're going to limit your focus to the US situation, the article will need to be titled as such (probably Undocumented youth in the United States). This title is very close to another article that we have, Undocumented students in the United States and I am concerned that someone might come along and decide the two are on the same subject and merge the articles.

Here's some feedback on your draft:
 * The second sentence says "brought by their parents", but doesn't account for those youth who were brought by someone other than their parents.
 * For your opening paragraph you should know that primary education in the US typically refers to elementary education (grades 1-6) and secondary education typically includes high school.
 * The last sentence in the lead paragraph says that transitions to adulthood "can be described as learning to be illegal." Is that just from the title of your reference, "Learning To Be Illegal: Undocumented Youth And Shifting Legal Contexts In The Transition To Adulthood" or is that phrasing used in other contexts as well? Unless that phrasing is common outside of his paper, it might be good to credit Roberto Gonzales specifically for describing it that way.
 * Be careful that you're using your own language. There's some close paraphrasing of the Gonzales document in your draft.
 * Gonzales writes: "Nationally, 40 percent of undocumented adults ages 18 to 24 do not complete high school, and only 49 percent of undocumented high school graduates go to college."
 * You wrote: "40 percent of undocumented adults ages 18-24 do not complete high school. Of those that complete high school, only 49 percent attend college."

This is a difficult and controversial subject, but I think your draft is looking good. Let me know if you need me to clarify or if you have any questions. Gobōnobō + c 23:21, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Draft Feedback
Here are some final suggestions before you take your article live.

Like Gobonobo talked about, I think you should change your title to be about the US only, because there are no other countries represented which makes the article title a bit misleading. I would also recommend introducing the DREAM Act sooner and with greater detail. Besides that, your article could stand a few more hyperlinks.

I don't have a lot of other suggestions. It looks pretty good!

AbbeyMaynard (talk) 21:15, 13 November 2013 (UTC)