User talk:Seaniemcf2

FYI
I have filed a sockpuppet investigation, as I do not have the idea that you are a genuine editor. See: Sockpuppet investigations/Seaniemcf2 The Banner  talk 11:09, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not a sock puppet, the Gráinne mhaol thing has blown up on Twitter which is why so many edits have come in. I never edited the page before making the account. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 11:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps a quick look on Twitter would have given you an answer before falsely accusing me of making a sock puppet account. Just type in "Grainne Wikipedia" and you'll see. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 11:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
Hello, I'm The Banner. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Talk:Grace O'Malley have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Do not remove edits of other editors, even when it does not suit your taste The Banner  talk 12:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

This isnt about taste, you are doing everything in your power to try and derail a discussion. You are falsely accusing people of being sock puppets and trying to say the discussion is compromised because a lot of people are disagreeing with you. If anything you are attempting to compromise the discussion. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 12:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I claim that there is canvassing going on. Canvassing is drumming up support and trying to influence a vote. That is not allowed. And with the removal of my notice you clearly tried to hide the canvassing alert. Please read: Canvassing. The Banner  talk 13:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

It's not canvassing because people became aware of the mistake on Wikipedia, are talking about the mistake and more people are coming to see the mistake. I haven't told anyone to come here but I mentioned there was a mistake on twitter before the discussion even began. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 13:09, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The consensus is clearly against you so just fix it and move on. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 13:10, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If it is a fair vote, I will adhere to it. The Banner  talk 13:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How long is it open for? Sorry that I've been overly aggressive towards you. This is something important to many people and your dismissive attitude has been frankly quite offensive to myself and others. I think you would be better off trying to be a bit more compassionate and understanding of other people, When talking with them about such important things. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 13:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What is important are the guidelines and policies I mentioned last night. Personal preferences are not important. You have to live with the fact that life is not always fair or goes the way you want. The Banner  talk 13:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

What is important is what is correct, factually her name was Grainne not Grace. The policies which don't really prove the point you were trying to make. They could easily be interpreted as being in favour of what I'm saying. You can easily put her real name down as Grainne and say that she was also known as Grace which is the correct thing to do. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 13:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The policies and guidelines are the "laws" of Wikipedia. You have to adhere to it. The Banner  talk 14:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, but the policies don't appear to have an issue with grainne being used and the majority is currently against you. When is this vote over, because at the moment it seems pretty clear what the outcome is. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 14:05, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Offensive_material Seaniemcf2 (talk) 14:09, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice, but that will not cut wood as this content dispute is not about anything stated there as offensive. Sorry. The Banner  talk 14:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

But it is considered offensive. And it has been brought up that it is considered offensive and you are not in a position to say that it is not considered offensive. In a case where there is a good non offensive option, that should be used. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 14:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You mean: you consider it offensive to your personal opinions. The Banner  talk 14:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

No it's offensive to my culture and is a representation of how the British almost destroyed the Irish language. Anglisation of Irish is considered offensive in this country. Just recently the BBC got in trouble for calling Micheál Martin, Michael. This is not some personal thing this is considered offensive to the Irish people. I'll say it again you are not in a position to argue against that. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 14:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I argue against that because you just throw around statements without any proof. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 15:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

So you are arguing that the anglisation of the Irish language is not considered offensive to Irish people? Your lack of understanding of the people of Ireland is astonishing for someone who has lived here for over a decade. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 15:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I want you to give proof of that. Give reliable sources and so. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 15:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Slieve League
At 596 m, it has the second highest sea cliffs on the island of Ireland.

What do you consider the highest sea cliffs on the island Ireland? Is there a range on the mainland that I have missed? The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Croughan in achill is taller. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 21:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * True, but that is on Achill Island. Not on the mainland as the article states. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

That's a strange and confusing way of thinking about it. People generally don't differentiate between Ireland and islands part of Ireland. Probably best to just change it to the seconds highest cliffs in Ireland. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 21:26, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I see you changed it back. The version I put is less confusing and more specific. The version now currently on the page is more likely to cause confusion because people will likely assume island of Ireland to mean all of Ireland. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 21:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your edits. The stable version referring to the island is there for many, many years (at least 2008). And even you left the link to the island in place... Ow, the Slieve League tickled my vertigo, I was unable to see Croaghaun properly, as I stayed on shore. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ow, and there is difference in the island Ireland (Ireland) and the Republic of Ireland (Republic of Ireland). Sorry, that was already in place before I started editing in 2006. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * And have you been to Keem Bay? That road to there is seriously scary! The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

All of what you said still doesn't take away from it being needlessly confusing. Looking through the edit history a few have found it poorly worded, perhaps wording it in a more easy to understand way would be better Seaniemcf2 (talk) 21:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Just going to leave this here as well https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment Seaniemcf2 (talk) 21:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want to play rough, that is fine to me. But you are turning everything into offensive and harassment. In fact, I have just the idea that you do not have a clue what you are doing. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How about you try and have respectful conversation rather than being needlessly aggressive all the time? Don't falsely accuse me of being a sock puppet. Don't just dissmis valid issues I have with something. I mean my issue with the slieve league page seems pretty reasonable. It's not very clear and can easily be misconstrued. I've only gotten aggressive towards you because you start getting aggressive towards me. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 22:10, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What can you misunderstand with "on the island of Ireland."? It makes it loud and clear that it is not referring to the Republic. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 22:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

People see the island of Ireland and they will think all of Ireland, they will think northern Ireland, the republic and everything part of Ireland. If we look at the edit history a number of people seem to have gotten confused. I'm just asking to put more information up make it more clear, that doesn't seem like something to crazy to ask. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 22:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * And what would you like to improve on "island of Ireland" to make it more clear that it is referring to the island of Ireland instead of the whole of Ireland? Would the use of links be helpful?  The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 23:05, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Just refer to the whole of Ireland, like the croughan page does, it's instantly understandable and gives enough info to place it's size with other cliffs in Ireland and Europe. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 23:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok what was wrong this time, I kept the original in and added more info. The referenced article doesn't even say that they are some of the highest cliffs on the island of Ireland. It specifically says the highest cliffs in Ireland, which makes it an unreliable source, but for some reason that ok to keep in. I looked through the talk section and multiple people have brought up issues with this in the past. Be reasonable here. Seaniemcf2 (talk) 21:15, 3 July 2020 (UTC)