User talk:Seddon

Welcome to my talk page. Test. Treat it with kindness, tolerance, and respect; and I will treat you with the same.

You can also find me on freenode irc with the username eruhugr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.109.2.222 (talk) 08:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Commons Admin?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=500&group=sysop shows you as a Commons Admin: "Seddon (WMF) (A) talk contribs block‏‎ (autopatroller, administrator (until 07:39, 2 December 2022), translation administrator) (Created on 13 April 2012 at 15:50)"

The list of Admins at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:List_of_administrators do not include you but I cannot find your removal from the list. I look at the tally at the bottom every now and then -- and this is the first time in a long while I have seen a discrepancy. Can you shed any light?

Thanks,. Jim. .  (Jameslwoodward)   (talk to me) 16:55, 6 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey Jim there is a technical answer which is that my staff account only has the rights temporarily and temporary accounts do not show up on the list.
 * This is addressed on the page: Seddon talk 00:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. There is no technical reason why temporary accounts shouldn't show up on the list and not having them makes it difficult to check that the list is correct -- at least that it has the right number of people, although, of course, you might have an omission and a false addition. Unless you see a compelling reason not to, I'm going to add you to the list and change the footnote. The other possibility would be to change so it did not include temporary Admins, but that would take some doing. .      Jim  .  .   (Jameslwoodward)   (talk to me) 14:26, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with whatever is best. Your logic here is sound and I have no compelling reason not to be added to that list in some way. I guess it might be worth placing an asterisk next to my staff account in the list just to clarify and note I hold it temporarily. Seddon talk 14:34, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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Form 990 mysteries continued ...
Hi Seddon, I see now where your green quote came from: Expenses incurred for services provided in the United States (for example, telemedicine and services provided over the Internet) that include recipients both inside and outside the United States shouldn't be reported in Part I.

Part I here refers to Part I of Schedule F (Statement of Activities Outside the United States). However, I think that merely means (taking the telemedicine example) that if you provide health advice over the internet via an American website, and you have people abroad using your service, then this does not represent an "Activity Outside the United States" and the expenses you incur in delivering that service don't belong in Schedule F. I don't think this passage refers to non-US employees.

For reference, the two FAQ paragraphs I linked in the RfC discussion were added at a later date by User:SLangan (WMF), after I specifically asked on the mailing list whether contractors listed in Part V 1a were included in the Line 15 salary costs (Risker had claimed they were). See, as well as an earlier evasive answer by Maryana Iskander here and the original question here.

There are more unanswered questions here. A particularly interesting comment on that page was (my emphasis):

As we’ve mentioned before in response to this question, using the Form 990 data to calculate an average salary is misleading. It often produces totals that match some of our highest-paid employees. As we will not release non-public salary information in public forums, we accept that the average number is much higher than the true average salary. We hire in over 50 countries and almost 50% of our people are based outside of the US, which is a reflection of our values as a global movement. People are in a wide variety of job types and levels, each of which are paid differently and by location. An average is difficult to calculate and while it may provide a data point, it lacks meaning for evaluating our performance as an organization. As we have shared before, we are in line with other open knowledge organizations (e.g., Mozilla, Creative Commons, EFF) in the financial, salary, budget, and staff information that we publish.

Also, the Wikimedia Foundation has grown since this data – the budget increased in the past year with the addition of more than 200 new people since 2020. This will not continue in the 2022−2023 fiscal year as we stabilize our growth and also ensure that new resources are delivering maximum impact for our mission as per the draft annual plan. SLangan (WMF) (talk) 14:00, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I read that as them conceding that I was basically on the right track, because if I had been wildly out it would have been easy – and, I thought, advantageous – for them to point out where I had gone wrong. I mean I several times begged them to correct any error in my reasoning.

Of course, they may consider me a complete blabbering idiot not worth correcting.

I suggest we hat the last few exchanges we had in the Village Pump RfC, starting from your "I am not an accountant" to the end of Kudpung's 04:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC) post, and add a hatnote saying "Extended Form 990 discussion, continued on Seddon's talk page" with a link to this here talk page section. Alternatively, if you can think of a better way of doing it, please just go ahead!

Thanks for your help with this. Regards, Andreas JN 466 16:20, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm approaching the edge of what I am confident in terms of my own knowledge and understanding but my gut tells me your interpretation is wrong here. I believe that for example, provision of the Wikipedia websites is a service both in the US and globally. So staff supporting this work (engineers) whilst based overseas would not count as activities outside the US because their work is beneficial to those in the US. Compare this for example with a staff member whose work is supporting partnerships in Europe, their work is not directly involved in the provision of the Wikipedia websites, so they would be included in the outside the US activities. Seddon talk 00:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Same here. The key questions here are (1) a really simple one – How many people's salary costs are included in the Line 15 total? – and (2) a slightly more involved one: How many full-time employees are they equivalent to? Unfortunately, the WMF wants to keep that info to itself.
 * However, the quoted statement above – that looking at the Form 990 Line 15 figure would "match some of our highest-paid employees" and result in a "much higher" average – must mean that the Form 990 salary costs data mainly reflects US salaries—because I think it's safe to assume those are highest—and excludes freelancers and people working for contractor firms abroad. But as it is, it's all, sadly, pretty impenetrable. Andreas JN 466 00:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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So ends the first round of the 2023 WikiCup. Everyone with a positive score moved on to Round 2, with 54 contestants qualifying. The top scorers in Round 1 were:


 * Unlimitedlead with 1205 points, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with two featured articles on historical figures and several featured article candidate reviews.
 * Epicgenius was in second place with 789 points; a seasoned WikiCup competitor he specialises in buildings and locations in New York.
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Not sure why there's an account reverting your changes
What the title says. This account seems to be reverting all your changes to date formats dating from September 2021. I don't know what's up with that. Liliana UwU (talk / contributions) 22:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Some LTA that has a weird predilection for changing date formats unnecessarily. Thanks for flagging up. Seddon talk 12:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Amypascale on Cheapflights (23:36, 2 April 2023)
Hi can I get a cheap flight to New York --Amypascale (talk) 23:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from CreatrixInspirata (03:07, 5 April 2023)
My edit to the Spades, Indiana article was reverted to its previous state because it was deemed "not constructive." Before I contributed to the article, it was a stub and unhelpful to anyone who wanted to learn a bit about this town. The reversion to its original state appears unhelpful. Can you explain why this occurred? It's discouraging putting the time only to have your effort changed back to a stub article. --CreatrixInspirata (talk) 03:07, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Passive Seismic Experiment Package
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WikiCup 2023 May newsletter
The second round of the 2023 WikiCup has now finished. Contestants needed to have scored 60 points to advance into round 3. Our top five scorers in round 2 all included a featured article among their submissions and each scored over 500 points. They were:


 * Iazyges (1040) with three FAs on Byzantine emperors, and lots of bonus points.
 * Unlimitedlead (847), with three FAs on ancient history, one GA and nine reviews.
 * Epicgenius (636), a WikiCup veteran, with one FA on the New Amsterdam Theatre, four GAs and eleven DYKs
 * BennyOnTheLoose (553), a seasoned competitor, with one FA on snooker, six GAs and seven reviews.
 * 🇩🇪 FrB.TG (525), with one FA, a Lady Gaga song and a mass of bonus points.

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DYK for Passive Seismic Experiment Package
Z1720 (talk) 00:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * "This time of signal was detected 83 times during the Apollo 11 missions at an average of 4 per day."
 * from this edit. I have to think what was intended was "This type of signal...". Could you check that? Shenme (talk) 02:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Date format changes
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WikiCup 2023 July newsletter
The third round of the 2023 WikiCup has come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round had at least 175 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


 * Thebiguglyalien, with 919 points from a featured article on Frances Cleveland as well as five good articles and many reviews,
 * Unlimitedlead, with 862 points from a high-scoring featured articles on Henry II of England and numerous reviews,
 * Iazyges, with 560 points from a high-scoring featured article on Tiberius III.

Contestants achieved 11 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 47 good articles, 72 featured or good article reviews, over 100 DYKs and 40 ITN appearances. As always, any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

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DYK for Laser Ranging Retroreflector
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I asked a question, but the thread got archived.
I requested a few days ago that Deftones (album) be protected due to a content dispute. So you say it isn't the venue to dispute that. Very well, it may not be, and it seems to have calmed down a bit for the moment, but my question remains: what do you recommend I do in the future when an editor is so persistent and unwilling to discuss before instating disputed content which is skewed to their point of view? Just leave it? Revert it under the definition of vandalism? I always learned that the old version stays, but it doesn't work when they keep pressing beyond 3RR. I knew what I was doing was bad, but I felt I had no choice, and requested the article be protected in order that both me and the user would be forced to discuss the issue before reinstating the questioned content. I simply wanted the edit-earring to stop. I would be happy to ask Mr. Quinlan if you think he would have a better answer for me.  danny music editor  oops 17:17, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I'll be honest, my inclination was to partial block you both from editing the page outright and to leave the page for others to edit until the two of you can come to some sort of agreement. That remains my inclination. Otherwise if you feel you have exhausted all the other dispute resolution avenues then going to WP:ANI is probably your next destination. If you both continue your pattern of behaviour, someone else is likely to take you both there anyway. Seddon talk 00:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the poke, Seddon. I agree with what you've said. It's been a few days since Seddon and I both recommended dispute resolution, but the edit warring seems to have continued including less-than-civil edit summaries. The large number of edits that you've made in the midst of a disagreement also raises concerns about ownership of the article.
 * At this point, I think it would be best if both of you took a break from the article and attempted to bring in a third opinion or start mediation. There's no reason why other editors can't continue to make incremental progress on the article while you attempt to reach consensus with some help. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 01:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I really despise using ANI, but if I must I will take that route sooner in the future. I'll be honest, I've never dealt with someone that persistent before. A couple of editors have been helpful at the albums WikiProject giving me links to support what I had learned only through editing experience.  danny music editor  oops 01:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with anyone scoring less than 673 points being eliminated. It was a high scoring round with all but one of the contestants who progressed to the final having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were


 * Epicgenius, with 2173 points topping the scores, gained mainly from a featured article, 38 good articles and 9 DYKs. He was followed by
 * Sammi Brie, with 1575 points, gained mainly from a featured article, 28 good articles and 50 good article reviews. Close behind was
 * Thebiguglyalien, with 1535 points mainly gained from a featured article, 15 good articles, 26 good article reviews and lots of bonus points.

Between them during round 4, contestants achieved 12 featured articles, 3 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 126 good articles, 46 DYK entries, 14 ITN entries, 67 featured article candidate reviews and 147 good article reviews. Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

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WikiCup 2023 November newsletter
The WikiCup is a marathon rather than a sprint and all those reaching the final round have been involved in the competition for the last ten months, improving Wikipedia vastly during the process. After all this hard work, BeanieFan11 has emerged as the 2023 winner and the WikiCup Champion. The finalists this year were:-


 * BeanieFan11 with 2582 points
 * Thebiguglyalien with 1615 points
 * Epicgenius with 1518 points
 * MyCatIsAChonk with 1012 points
 * BennyOnTheLoose with 974 points
 * AirshipJungleman29 with 673 points
 * Sammi Brie with 520 points
 * Unlimitedlead with 5 points

Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether they made it to the final round or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the competition, some of whom did very well. Wikipedia has benefitted greatly from the quality creations, expansions and improvements made, and the numerous reviews performed. All those who reached the final round will win awards. The following special awards will be made based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. Awards will be handed out in the next few days.


 * Unlimitedlead wins the featured article prize, for 7 FAs in total including 3 in round 2.
 * MyCatIsAChonk wins the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in total.
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski wins the featured topic prize, for a 6-article featured topic in round 4.
 * MyCatIsAChonk wins the featured picture prize, for 6 FPs in total.
 * BeanieFan11 wins the good article prize, for 75 GAs in total, including 61 in the final round.
 * Epicgenius wins the good topic prize, for a 41-article good topic in the final round.
 * LunaEatsTuna wins the GA reviewer prize, for 70 GA reviews in round 1.
 * MyCatIsAChonk wins the FA reviewer prize, for 66 FA reviews in the final round.
 * Epicgenius wins the DYK prize, for 49 did you know articles in total.
 * 🇺🇦 Muboshgu wins the ITN prize, for 46 in the news articles in total.

The WikiCup has run every year since 2007. With the 2023 contest now concluded, I will be standing down as a judge due to real life commitments, so I hope that another editor will take over running the competition. Please get in touch if you are interested. Next year's competition will hopefully begin on 1 January 2024. You are invited to sign up to participate in the contest; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors. It only remains to congratulate our worthy winners once again and thank all participants for their involvement! (If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send.) Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:52, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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notheme in weather box
I need to know whether to keep the following in a couple of modules I will be updating soon. On 3 April 2023 you added "notheme" to: Presumably the second edit (to the sandbox) is not wanted? Do you still want the first edit? Don't sweat about it, I just want to know what to do. Johnuniq (talk) 04:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Module:Weather box/row (Temporary fix to solve theming in Page Content Service) diff
 * Module:Weather box/sandbox diff
 * Investigation answers the second question because I see that a June 2023 edit to Module:Weather_box/sandbox that I made removed notheme with summary "remove notheme which is now in Module:Weather box/row". I'm therefore guessing you still want notheme in Module:Weather_box/row. Correct? Johnuniq (talk) 04:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey! Yes the notheme-ing should be permanent in the row. Seddon talk 13:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Lunar Surface Magnetometer
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&#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 07:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

DYK nomination
@Seddon Sorry to interrupt you but I had to reach out to you here given I don't want to mess up the DYK nomination page with this petty query of mine. I just wanted to know whether the nomination is successful or not. User Rosbif73 made the necessary changes. By the way, please let me know of any future developments and any part I would possibly have to play being the nominator. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 09:29, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * No worries! All is good. I've approved and pinged the DYK admins to see if it can be added to the DYK prep area for Jan 9. Seddon talk 12:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Seddon Being an administrator and being familiar with what Wikipedia is and about, would you mind joining the WikiProject British Royalty/William, Prince of Wales task force whose primary objective is to take William's article to FA status and giving valuable expert advice as such? This is just a formal request and do as you would think would be correct. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 05:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Appreciate the invite! At the moment I have a focus on getting 25 DYK's. I'm probably not the best person to assist as my only FA was one I mostly chaperoned, and it was nearly 15 years ago and things will have moved on. Seddon talk 16:42, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Seddon If you appreciate the invite please join. You need not play an active role neither are we expecting you to necessarily take part in all discussions. But your very presence will be valuable enough. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 03:47, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2024 WikiCup!
Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2024 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor you should be able to advance to at least the second round, improving your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page ready for you to take part. Any questions on the scoring, rules or anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close on 31 January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup this year are:, , and. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Solar Wind Spectrometer
RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Counterweight (novel)
Thanks for stopping by. Alt3 is nice but unless I am missing something, it is not mentioned in the novel? Can you add the relevant sentence w/ refs? I can't recall which source covered that. TIA! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:17, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It wasn't mentioned in the novel but was mentioned by the author in the "interview" with wired that I used to add a couple of sentences to Counterweight_(novel). I'll add the citation specifically to the relevant sentence. Seddon talk 08:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Lunar Ejecta and Meteorites Experiment
—Kusma (talk) 15:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Cold Cathode Gauge Experiment
—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Lunar Surface Gravimeter
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Suprathermal Ion Detector Experiment
—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Heat Flow Experiment
—Kusma (talk) 00:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 February newsletter
The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

Our current leader is newcomer, who has one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher) and 10 GAs and 12 DYKs mostly on New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:


 * , with one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on Doom (2016 video game), one GA on Boundary Fire (2017), and 11 reviews;
 * , with one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on OneShot and one DYK;
 * , with five GAs and five DYKs on television and radio stations;
 * and, both with one FA and one DYK each.

As a reminder, competitors may submit work for the first round until 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February, and the second round starts 1 March. Remember that only the top 64 scoring competitors will make it through to the second round; currently, competitors need at least 15 points to progress. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 March newsletter
The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:


 * , who has 916 points mostly from one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher), 15 GAs, and 16 DYKs on a variety of topics including New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures, in addition to seven reviews
 * , who has 790 points from two FAs on Felix M. Warburg House and Doom (2016 video game), two GAs, one DYK, and 11 reviews
 * , who has 580 points from one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, two DYKs, and five reviews
 * , who has 420 points mostly from nine GAs and seven DYKs on television and radio stations
 * , who has 351 points from one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and three DYKs
 * , who has 345 points from one FA on OneShot, one DYK and two reviews

In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to, who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five A-class articles, eight other good articles, and two Four Awards. Vami also wrote an essay on completionism, a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his to-do list.

Remember that any content promoted after 27 February but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, feel free to review one of the nominations listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lunar Seismic Profiling Experiment
Hello! Your submission of Lunar Seismic Profiling Experiment at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  Sounder Bruce  05:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Jumalan teatteri
Hello Seddon,

As per your comments at Template:Did you know nominations/Jumalan teatteri, I have fixed the link at the first reference of the article Jumalan teatteri and added an alternative hook on the nomination page. J I P &#124; Talk 16:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lunar Surface Gravimeter
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Lunar Surface Gravimeter you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Kusma -- Kusma (talk) 11:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lunar Surface Gravimeter
The article Lunar Surface Gravimeter you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Lunar Surface Gravimeter and Talk:Lunar Surface Gravimeter/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Kusma -- Kusma (talk) 20:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Lunar Seismic Profiling Experiment
—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Lunar Traverse Gravimeter
Z1720 (talk) 12:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Biological Cosmic Ray Experiment
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Electoral history of the Labour Party (UK)
Seddon, are there any issues remaining here? Can you complete—or at least add to—your review to keep things moving? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Biostack experiment
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 April newsletter
We are approaching the end of the 2024 WikiCup's second round, with a little over two weeks remaining. Currently, contestants must score at least 105 points to progress to the third round.

Our current top scorers are as follows:


 * with 642 points, mostly from 11 GAs about radio and television;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two FAs (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three GAs;
 * with 523 points, mostly from 11 GAs about coinage and history;
 * with 497 points, mostly from a FA about the 2020 season of the soccer club Seattle Sounders FC and two GAs;
 * with 410 points, mostly from a FA about the drink Capri-Sun and three GAs;
 * with 330 points, mostly from a FA about the English botanist Anna Blackburne and a GA.

Competitors may submit work for the second round until the end of 28 April, and the third round starts 1 May. Remember that only competitors with the top 32 scores will make it through to the third round. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs. As a reminder, competitors are strictly prohibited from gaming Wikipedia policies or processes to receive more points.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please read WikiCup/Scoring. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lunar Surface Gravimeter
The article Lunar Surface Gravimeter you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Lunar Surface Gravimeter for comments about the article, and Talk:Lunar Surface Gravimeter/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Kusma -- Kusma (talk) 14:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 May newsletter
The second round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 April. This round was particularly competitive: each of the 32 contestants who advanced to Round 3 scored at least 141 points. This is the highest number of points required to advance to Round 3 since 2014.

The following scorers in Round 2 all scored more than 500 points:
 * with 707 points, mostly from 45 good article nomination reviews and 12 good articless about radio and television;
 * with 600 points, mostly from 12 good articles and 12 did you know nominations about coinage and history;
 * with 552 points, mostly from a featured article about the 2020 Seattle Sounders FC season, three featured lists, and two good articles;
 * with 548 points, mostly from a featured article about the snooker player John Pulman, two featured lists, and one good article;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two featured articles (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three good articles.

The full scores for Round 2 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 18 featured articles, 22 featured lists, and 186 good articles, 76 in the news credits and at least 200 did you know credits. They have conducted 165 featured article reviews, as well as 399 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 21 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 April but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed during Round 3, which starts on 1 May at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C

 * You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. 

Dear Wikimedian,

You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process.

This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. Read the information on the voting page on Meta-wiki to learn more about voting and voter eligibility.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.

Please share this message with members of your community so they can participate as well.

On behalf of the UCoC project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 23:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 July newsletter
The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.

The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:


 * with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 featured article on DeLancey W. Gill, 11 good articles, 18 did you know nominations, and dozens of reviews;
 * with 673 points, mostly from 2 featured articles on Worlds (Porter Robinson album) and I'm God, 5 good articles, and 2 did you know nominations;
 * with 557 points, mostly from 1 featured article on KNXV-TV, 5 good articles, and 8 did you know nominations; and
 * with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Great cuckoo-dove, with a high number of bonus points from that article.

The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)