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Train updates
Hi, friend, I've seen your contributions in some of the articles I created and/or edited, thanks for helping me with the grammar. I also saw the request you sent to Crónica Ferroviaria (they published it on the site, here). According to my understanding, they did not give permission to use their photos on Commons. What a shame.

I'm currently working on a new article about the Ferrocarril in Comodoro Rivadavia, a city of Chubut Province that has lot of interesting material. When I finish the article, I'll let you know so you could fix my mistakes. Thank you! Fma12 (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Anything you want corrected, just let me know! Yes, it's a shame they didn't, but I received a lot of emails with a lot of photos which we can use so it was worth contacting them in the end. I'll try and uploadthe best ones soon. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 20:34, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Grupo Emepa

 * Hi, as far as I know, the "Alerce" units were built by Grupo Emepa, parent company of Ferrovías. I don't know much about the consortium but they have a big factory in Chascomús. And this is the first time they manufacture rolling stock so all the coaches used until now, were Materfer or FIAT Ferroviaria.

During the last weeks, I have been watching some units running experimental trips on the road (I live in Florida, Buenos Aires, served by the Belgrano Norte line) and the trains look really well.


 * If you want to start a new article, I'll assist you as much as I can. Fma12 (talk) 02:05, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I started the article. It's at Grupo Emepa, but needs more information and the company logo and picture of the new trains. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 18:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

April 2015
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Tren a las Nubes, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Jetstreamer $Talk$ 20:34, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, "Crónica ferroviaria", which was added by you as a reference to the article, is not considered reliable per WP:BLOGS.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 20:38, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The unreferenced material was removed and the existing material referenced - that is a valid reason for it's removal. If you feel there is anything in the article which appears dubious or is unreferenced then please point it out and I will either find a reference for it or remove it. However, please don't be pedantic, it is both highly rude and a waste of time for both of us.
 * Likewise, though Cronica Ferroviaria uses blogger as publishing software it is not a blog. It is a widely respected and well known railway publication and one of the best sources for current events with regards to railways in Argentina and has been around for many years before it was an online publication. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 20:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The source is not reliable. You can read "Dejamos aclarado que los responsables del Blog de Crónica Ferroviaria no necesariamente comparten los términos vertidos en artículos firmados por quienes opinan en artículos publicados en el mismo, como en los comentarios realizados por los lectores" at the bottom of the frontpage. As I said before, there are still unsourced statements in the article, so the tag is perfectly valid. I won't mark them all to avoid tag bombing the article.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 20:57, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Every single statement in the article is now verified by an external reference, most information in the article is confirmed by multiple sources. I will now proceed to remove the tag. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 21:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Jetstreamer: "Crónica Ferroviaria" is a reliable source that always gives verified information. The "unsourced" tag has no sense now so a lot of sources were added to the article. To be honest, I consider your attitude is not being collaborative and you seem to be more interesed in "being right" rather than reaching a consensus with other users that put their best to improve the article (I include myself among them). If you insist with your stance (which I consider a whim at this stage), this issue will have to be discussed in a dispute resolution. Fma12 (talk) 22:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Dejamos aclarado que los responsables del Blog de Crónica Ferroviaria no necesariamente comparten los términos vertidos en artículos firmados por quienes opinan en artículos publicados en el mismo, como en los comentarios realizados por los lectores is not a statement that implies news to reliable or not. That statement only refers to articles where writers give an opinion about a specific issue. The website has both, news and opinion articles. Fma12 (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * While I do agree that there was a lot of information on the article which was clearly incorrect and old, it would have been much quicker and far more productive to simply amend the issues (as I did the first time round) than engage in an edit war over a tag. As Fma12 says, the second round of edits I made were simply to satisfy your "being right" and weren't particularly productive given that most (if not everything) was already covered by the other references. Though I consider sourcing to be extremely important in improving the quality of articles, I don't see the last addition of the tag as being an edit in good faith. I really do not wish to continue this dispute as I think time would be better spent elsewhere given that almost all articles related to the Argentine railways are in dire need of attention.
 * As for Cronica Ferroviaria, I have absolutely no reason to doubt it as a source. That disclaimer simply refers to third-party content which is always labeled clearly on the site with the author's name and email address for verification. These kinds of disclaimers can be seen on many websites. To be honest, I find their work to be far more comprehensive, balanced and accurate than the journalistic circus that is the Argentine media. Nonetheless, I replaced the references with another one from another source to avoid conflict. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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Ferrocarriles Argentinos (2015)
Hi, I've created the new page Ferrocarriles Argentinos (2015) (official name: "Ferrocarriles Argentinos Sociedad del Estado") after the Congress of Argentina promulgated the Law to create the company. If you want to take a look at the article, feel free to do it. I also rendered and uploaded the logo. Regards ! Fma12 (talk) 12:30, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Great! I've had a look at the page and made some very minor corrections. I'll try and make the appropriate links from other pages and the new disambiguation pages. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 15:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Richard Maury: thanks and explaination
Hi and thanks a lot for the picture of Maury you added into his article, I appriceated a lot cause when I created the article I became crazy to find infos :-) . Btw, just to clarify a thing, you removed this picture saying it was not Ing. Maury station. To be sure, I've seen the end of (it starts at 12:50) and it matches: it's Ing. Maury station (see the grey building -a shed, I suppose; the cypresses on the left, the water tower between tracks 1 and 2, billboard position, the platform 1, the characteristic position of the station building, retracted and hidden by the trees). Just to be sure I've seen  showing Gobernador Solá station (from 7:30), the other "similar" station, but it is different. Also the satellite image, and related pics, on Google Maps (-24.68199°N, -65.77251°W) seems to confirm it is Maury station. Anyway, I would be specific because, even if I'm a railfan like you, you are Argentine and that station is in your country: last word is yours :-) . The video maker could have done a mistake, this I dunno. Btw, thanks again for the picture, and regards. --Dэя-Бøяg 14:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there! No problem. If I ever come across more info when I edit General Belgrano Railway then I'll make sure to add it to that page too.


 * You're right about the picture, my mistake. I think I was sceptical about the information on Commons being correct since one of the dates is certainly wrong (it says both 2007 and 1993). Checking Flickr, the photo was uploaded in 2007 but was taken in 1993. In any case, I trust your research into it is correct :). SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 15:40, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Buenos Aires Underground
Happy to be of help. I'll continue based on what information I have in the English articles for now; I doubt I'll have time to track anything down in Spanish for the next few days.

Happy editing, and keep up the good work! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Subte: answer and thanks
First of all, I would thank you and Fma12 for your trust :-) ... Well, if I have understood:
 * you requested me to reverse the station order of the Template:Line D (BA) (no more Congreso de Tucumán-Catedral, but Catedral-Congreso de Tucumán): I've done. And, as for my PC, it works normally.
 * the other request is to change, in the infobox templates (as the one shown here), the heading "Buenos Aires Metro" with the most correct "Buenos Aires Underground". So, the final result you requested would be "Preceding station | Subte gcba logo.png Buenos Aires Underground | Following station". Uhm... this is one of that template in which you have to found the source. Is referred to me, because I always learn the how-to for this templates, and always I forget :) ... Ok, let's try.

Btw, fixing the Line D metro template, I've created the new Category:Buenos Aires Underground templates (mother category of "BA Underground succession templates") and... also the Category:Buenos Aires templates :-) --Dэя-Бøяg 22:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I'm goin' to try to change the title of BA Underground with the little icon (tell me if you want it greater or smaller than 20px). Just a suggestion: for the Commons' link below, you can use the standard (and lower) ==External links== section, with the template form, without the two dots, just to avoid the giant Commons' icon effect. Ok, let's try. Ah, for other fixes and details, I'll try to help. This days I'm a little busy but I can find the time. Regards :) --Dэя-Бøяg 22:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's correct with the Line D template, thank you! I don't think it was a problem with my PC, more a problem with me :P


 * I think I found it at Template:S-rail/lines (I think, not sure), but when I tried to edit, nothing happened so I assume either I did it wrong or it's the wrong template. With the size of the logo, I assume it should be small because there isn't much room in the boxes now, but I'll leave that up to you since you have more experience with this stuff and familiarity with the styles. But yeah, that description you gave is basically what I was trying to do.


 * I saw the fixes with the categories, so thanks for those and I'll bare in mind the "giant commons" issue and use that inline box when I finish Line E and D. Don't worry if you're busy, it's more if you observe anything like you did with the commons categories link :) SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 23:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Done, also the second request. Wow, I was lucky: the template in whick change the S-line is S-rail/lines... Ah, you've found it. Uhm, If you don't see the changes, the reason could be that you've not refreshed or edited the pages. For example, editing the pages about Piedra, Lima and Peru stations, now I see the changes. Don't worry, it's a simple issue of refresh, the change works. This is the diff I did. Ok, by now, greetings... or better, Hasta Siempre ;-) --Dэя-Бøяg 23:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: I've now added the link to the icon, and reduced it from 20px to 15 (as for your edit, in which you added 13px). 15 is just to not to shrink it too much and... btw, also 20px could be good. Ok, by now, see you soon :-) --Dэя-Бøяg 23:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, I've changed the title color from white to black into the Template:Line H (BA) (easier to read, due to line's color). But if it's not necessary, you can revert. I see that the route map in line's page is without the "header". --Dэя-Бøяg 23:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * It turns out it was actually a problem with my PC, I've played a lot with Firefox to get it to do some different things and the cache doesn't always work properly, so even if I refresh a page multiple times it can still show old images or templates... Might switch to Chrome or Opera for Wikipedia editing.


 * Thanks for the change, and yes 20px looks good! I changed it back up to 20px now. Using "Subte" instead of "Buenos Aires Underground" makes space not an issue anymore. With Line H, that's a good change since it's also used in the line's icon that way for the same reason ( instead of ), so also makes it more consistent with the style used on the network. Thanks again! Hasta siempre ;) SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 23:43, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, I misunderstood the refresh bit. There's nothing wrong with my browser, I just needed to purge the Wikipedia cache. Explains a lot of things haha... SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 00:00, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, and if the refresh doesn't work, I try clicking "edit" and after "save" (also without editing). This works all times. Btw, I did that commons' fixes, and also some minor fixes (as to add the Buenos Aires Underground navbox in some pages)... stations by stations. Uhm, I need to update my BA subway map in my rail museum. Greets. --Dэя-Бøяg 00:58, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Aehm, sorry for my boringness :-) ... "links" of "External links" may be standardly wroten without capital "L", this section may be the last one (for example, below "References") and the Commons' template should not be preceded by the two dots ":". At least by an asterisk but it is normally considered redundant. Ah yes, in the case there is a couple (or more) of WM projects inline templates (ex.: Commons-inline and Wispecies-inline), both templates could be preceded by an asterisk to make them align. That's just to talk, suddenly metro stations have only Commons' links and... I suppose... never Wikispecies :-D
 * PS: I added "References" and Reflist in some stations without refs supposing they would be a comfortable tool for eventual addition. If you think their addition is redundant, pardon: feel free to remove 'em all. Regards and thanx again for trust. --Dэя-Бøяg 01:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * ... Taking advantage of insomnia, I added Infoboxes and Commons links to Line D stations. Ok, it's really late, good work and regards :-) --Dэя-Бøяg 03:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * That's ok, it's good to point these things out so I learn about them, the reference list is also a good idea in case anyone decides to expand these pages at some point, so I'll leave them where they are. Thanks for doing Line D :), I got really bored of going through all the stations so I think it would have taken me a long time to get round to doing it. Now it's all done! Probably in the future I'll go back to a few of them once I find newer images (a lot of them are from 2008 and many of the stations have been re-painted and restored with new signs since then).
 * With the new map it's probably safe to get one next year after the Buenos Aires government elections, once the Line H and Line E extensions are completed. If the current government wins again, I don't think they will be doing much extending of the network since they favour the Metrobus (Buenos Aires) (another article I need to fix) over the Underground and they have been very slow with the extensions since 2007... I'm hoping though that in 5-10 years your map will also have Line F and Line G on it, but that's probably too optimistic. If you can get one with the commuter rail lines in the centre of the city (like the one here) then it's a lot more interesting! Also because many of these lines are being |extended further into the centre to make more connections with the underground. Thanks again for everything! SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 14:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I answer with a big delay, cause i was busy :) Uhm... me too I hope to see expansions in few years and, btw, I did a map for Córdoba also, based on a project map that I found years ago. I've fixed the original drawing that was highly ruined in quality. Of course, I agree with you: a good urban rail map may include the S-Bahn/RER/Suburban/Cercanía and, effectively; for some cities as Berlin, Paris, Hamburg, Munich, Copenhagen, London (with Overground) etc, the suburban/commuter rail is good as metro... as the "U" metro :-) . Btw, the base for "my" metro maps into my "rail museum on PC" are the maps of urbanrail.net, that have the good quality to transclude almost always the suburban/national rail lines and, of course, planned/under construction projects (see BA here). I use, for my museum, to collect 'em and add some other details (for example I always highlight main stations). Yes, this is a very interesting mup and, just to talk, 8 years ago I was impressed for the heavy changes, every week, of urbanrail.net's maps of Shanghai and Beijing :) ... Well, I hope to see rapid developments of the spider-network and... just a curiosity. Do you know if there is a possibility to do an entire trip from Salta to Antofagasta (not only the Tren a las Nubes route). Also on a freight car (or better on the locomotive)... It's a goal of mine to see this line, entirely. It was love at first sight with Huaytiquina. And, I dunno why, the Puna relaxes me hypnotically. Regards :) --Dэя-Бøяg 00:07, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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Vulture vandalism
Hi, SegataSanshiro:

I wanted to thank you for fending off the IP editor currently vandalizing the Economy of Argentina article (what else is new!). I just made a request at the Page Protection board here - which, if granted, will block all editors hiding behind an IP from making any edits on this page at all. There's an ongoing problem with British trolls (probably in the employ of Singer or the JTRIG propaganda den) vandalizing Argentine pages (here and here, among many others). Try not to let them provoke you though (it's hard - I know).

That aside, I also wanted to thank you for your many recent contributions to WikiProject Argentina. There really are precious few editors who still contribute to WP Argentina (on the English-language Wikipedia) fluently and constructively. Thank You.

Let's keep in touch.

All the best, Sherlock4000 (talk) 15:53, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, and thank you! As you say, I suspect this may have been more than just the standard Daily Mail or Sun reading troll using Wikipedia as a platform for their ugly nationalism. Protecting the page is a good move. Likewise, I will try not to be provoked as I assume it would lead to a ban of some sort.


 * I agree as well that it's really a shame that there's not more editors on WP Argentina. Nearly all the pages need expansion and referencing, not to mention some different opinions to avoid NPOV issues like in the ones you mentioned. Nevertheless, I want to focus on the rail transport articles, though I wish I had the time to contribute more to others. Lets hope there are more editors in the future.


 * Thanks again! SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Economy of Argentina
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 * Thanks for the comments Cambalachero. If it's OK with you, do you mind doing that? I still don't really know what I'm doing with the administrative aspects of Wikipedia (as this has made clear), but also feel that as someone involved in the dispute I cannot really be objective in describing the issues. I am not really sure how this procedure works, but I assume also having someone from the relevant WikiProject with a lot of experience such as yourself may help resolving the issues by making factual clarifications, etc. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 19:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It is not needed to be uninvolved to open a RFC; in fact I suspect that most users that open those are involved in the discussions, and open them because they get stuck and can't advance. I have copied and pasted your message at Wikiproject Argentina (except the comments that make reference to the project, which would be out of place), so that it can begin. Cambalachero (talk) 22:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for the info! Hopefully I won't have to do too many of these things in the future, but it's good to know. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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Edit summaries
Inaccurate edit summaries are unhelpful. You said you were removing "weasel words" and instead took out a well ref'd section on changing NY law. Capitalismojo (talk) 18:40, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Capitalismojo, there's nothing inaccurate about this: "made less promotional and more to the point removing weasel words - this article doesn't need to feature EVERY donation Singer made". There was a comma missing before "removing weasel words" - it was one of the many things I did, but the brunt of it was "made less promotional and more to the point". Please do not blanket revert in the future and assume good faith, it's incredibly unproductive behaviour. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 18:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You will likely get banned (again) if you continue your efforts in this way. Inaccurate edit summaries, edit warring, efforts to RIGHT GREAT WRONGS; these have no place here. Straighten up. Capitalismojo (talk) 18:52, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I suggest self-reverting. Capitalismojo (talk) 18:57, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yessir! I'll go go do some reading then get back on it a reformed and generally "straightened up person" (please don't tell me to "straighten up", you're not my secondary school maths teacher and it's highly rude). Only you were edit warring with me and I was not doing what you accused me of above as I have explained... Your attitude is highly uncooperative and extremely hostile - please cease. I have said repeatedly that you're free to add that content back in, albeit redacted. Don't engage in a pointless edit war with me over some content you could have just very easily added in yourself using the original reference, so there is no need for me to self revert. If you're going to be abusive then stay off my talk page. What does have no place here is right-wing POV pushers such as yourself with "capitalism" in your name or people who resort to very aggressive and hostile tactics to get their way, though those are most likely synonymous. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 19:06, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Let me be clear. You have engaged in edit warring to remove well ref'd NYT material, you used deceptive edit summaries, you have previously been blocked for dispruptive editing at that same page. (See your edit titled "F**k you wikipedia") I have given you the counsel you clearly need and you are spurning it, and tossing personal insults. I suspect you won't be here much longer if you continue in this destructive way. Capitalismojo (talk) 19:17, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Please cease railroading. SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 19:22, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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