User talk:Segurolajorge

I have posted in the talk section of the OLR article the sources you requested. This has never been a controversial point in the article. I am not certain what your basis for raising this point is? Again, there are dozens of sources that identify OLR as a member of the FALN, why is this controversial?

If you revert again, I am not going to change it, but will request an administrator to block the article till this can be worked out through discussion.

Note: OLR was convicted as part of a conspiracy by the FALN. While you or he can say that he was not part of the FALN, it is a hard thing to negate, given the strength of the evidence. One co-conspirator testified to this. All the contemporary news sources and official documents report this. Are you claiming they are all biased, wrong, confused or what?

I do not recall if OLR ever denied being part of the FALN; or was vague about his membership, role, or the nature of his group. I do think he identified himself as a foreign combatant. Nor have his co-conspirators fully denied membership in the FALN. More specifically, they have not admitted being part of certain acts carried out by the FALN. However, the evidence that they did carry out FALN acts is hard to question: Haydee Beltran, however, for example was convicted of a crime or crimes (Exxon-Mobil bombing and killing) for which FALN took responsibility. You could argue that OLR, or Beltran, or so and so, did not take responsibility for the Fraunces Tavern bombing, for example, and that they were never convicted of this, but that is different from saying that they are not part of the FALN, that OLR was not a leader, etc. Why do you think all the sources are wrong?Rococo1700 (talk) 05:35, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Segurolajorge states that he cannot find the links to OLR to FALN. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? OLR was a leader of the FALN. that is a factual statement backed up by many diverse sources. For example:

1) The article by Nathaniel Sheppard from the New York Times

The testimony by Alfredo Mendez, one of the 11 convicted terrorists, came near the end of testimony in the sedition trial of Oscar Lopez-Rivera. 'The defendant is believed to be a leader of the Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional, or Armed Forces of National Liberation', which is seeking the independence of Puerto Rico. After deliberating five hours, the 12-member jury, which received the case today, found Mr. Lopez-Rivera guilty on five counts involving seditious conspiracy, armed robbery, weapons violations and interstate transportation of stolen property. He faces a maximum penalty of 70 years in prison..The packed courtroom ... was stunned when he (Alfredo Mendez) was brought in yesterday as a surprise witness for the prosecution and began detailing activities that the F.A.L.N. had planned or carried out... Mr. Mendez, 28 years old, recounted ... how Mr. Lopez-Rivera taught him how to make bomb detonation devices and gun silencers.

2) The congressional resolution from Sept 9, 1999

One of the 16 is OLR.

3) The Chicago tribune article from December 25, 1989 titled

Faln Leader Among 4 Whose Convictions Are Upheld By Court December 25, 1989| By William Grady, Legal affairs writer. Appeals Court has upheld the convictions of four people, including a self-styled leader of the Puerto Rican independence group FALN, who were accused of plotting a violent jailbreak from the Leavenworth federal prison in Kansas. Authorities said the main purpose of the failed plot was to free Oscar Lopez-Rivera, who boasted in Leavenworth that he was the Chicago leader of the FALN, and another prison inmate.

The four-Lopez-Rivera; his former sister-in-law Dora Garcia; Jaime Delgado, a college counselor; and Grailing Brown, also an inmate at Leavenworth-were convicted in Chicago in 1987 on conspiracy and other charges. The U.S. Court of Appeals here rejected arguments by Garcia, Delgado and Brown, who asked that their convictions be overturned. The three had argued that there was insufficient evidence of a single conspiracy, that inmate informants used by authorities essentially manufactured the escape plot and that tape-recorded telephone conversations violated Garcia`s privacy rights.

Lopez-Rivera, who has contended during his trials for FALN activities that he is a prisoner of war, did not formally appeal his conviction.

All these references are in the article and discussions. If you can't refute these assertions, then this argument is over. You have failed to make any specific responses. Again this is getting to be a useless argument. I provide proof, with specific citations, and you just say no with no basis other than you say so. Rococo1700 (talk) 03:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)