User talk:Seicer/Archive 13

Tony1
was warned, if I recall correctly, about not making edits which unlink dates. He's chosen to do so anyways:. I realize the RFC appears to be leaning towards his position, but it's been less than 72 hours and it will be running for at least two weeks. I can't really see any excuse for him to be starting this up again... —Locke Cole • t • c 04:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe you've been busy but is it okay for these kinds of edits now? Because I'm not seeing how they're helpful with the RFCs still far from finishing. —Locke Cole • t • c 00:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Ponty Pirate
You may be interested in this: Administrators'_noticeboard. L'Aquatique  [  talk  ] 07:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Dualing RfC
Seicer. Please see my post here on the ANI venue. I think Tony’s RfC should be on the watch list. This shouldn’t be about punishing editors for acting like babies. It it very important that everything possible has been done to ensure all the “i”s have been dotted and tees crossed so that a true, complete, thorough, consensus with the greatest possible participation has been conducted. Greg L (talk) 19:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!


I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, A NobodyMy talk 02:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

FWG2007
I was just about to ask his talk page be full protected.  Burner 0718  Wutsapnin? 04:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * An IP account (User:69.129.170.102) that is clearly not only the address of, but the same person as, the indefinitely-blocked User:Funwisconsinguy2007 has appeared in World Series and Talk:World Series. (He raises the same issues in the same way.) Dealing with his participation in the World Series by itself hasn't yet reached the stage where anyone would call for disciplinary action, although he's often let his emotions make him belligerent, discourteous and childish in many of his communications (before he characteristically blanks them out). However, if he's already been blocked, I suppose I should draw this to your attention as either evasion or sockpuppetry. —— Shakescene (talk) 06:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * We have a umm... 'situation' with this IP at his talk page. Can you please explain to him about what he has done and what was wrong about it? Several users have tried to reason with him, but he still keeps on saying the same thing and doesn't look to me as if he's going to accept what we say. Maybe if the blocking admin can explain himself, it might make a difference? Thanks.  C h a m a l  talk 15:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Permanently banned LuketheSpook has another sockpuppet
Check out. Luke is side-stepping his block again. The Real Libs-speak politely 22:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

USEDfan again
He is back under User:Xx emote xx this time. He is editing all the same articles, making the same edits, and edit warring with the same people. Can you block per WP:DUCK? This is a sole purpose account, all except for one other article not related to the used, and in the history of that article you will fing Usedfan as well. Landon1980 (talk) 01:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Blocked, thanks for notifying me. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  15:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, thank you for taking the time to deal with it. I was hesitant to ask since you are retired/semi-retired or whatever you are :). Again though, thanks for checking it out. Have a good day. Landon1980 (talk) 02:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I haven't been paying much attention to Wikipedia lately, but I did come across this user's edits on The Used article, and immediately suspected it was USEDfan. Lo and behold, when I come back, he is blocked. Go figure. --Pwnage8 (talk) 19:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Closing the RfC
Seicer, it appears we’ve extended the voting on Tony’s RfC for another 48 hours. It is currently scheduled to close at 23:59 UTC on Tuesday, December 9. Can I get your help to A) either close it at that time, or B) extend it further if you so choose? As you can see at the top of the page, another editor professed the need for (much) more time to ponder the deep, existential meaning of it all. The editor expanded on the shear magnitude of the task here on the talk page. I think we can use a bit of WP:COMMONSENSE and correctly deduce that the consensus on the three questions in Tony’s RfC doesn’t have a WP:SNOWBALL’S chance in hell of changing by going any longer. Since you are an uninvolved admin here, I will completely accede to your judgement here. Greg L (talk) 23:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try to close it if I'm online at that time. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  15:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh, your common sense snuck in there on your response. But no such luck. It quickly became apparent (to me anyway) that the issue wasn’t whether or not the consensus has a chance in hell of changing by running it any longer, but is one of having it close no sooner than the *competing* RfC so its proponents don’t feel that there is an unfair advantage and skullduggery going on. Since that other RfC is so complex, it is going to run the full 30 days; ergo, both shall stop at the same time.

I suggest you poke your head into the proceedings early (UTC) on Dec. 25th. Clearly “bad cese be upon all of this” and both WT:MOSNUM and WT:MOS will need uninvolved admins to watch over it all and piss on the magnesium fires that will undoubtedly break out. Greg L (talk) 21:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Another duck?
Per WP:DUCK, it seems to me that Nigh8a is another incarnation of User:Nigh8. Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck... then you can either ship them to me or perhaps find a faster response at AIV. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  15:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Uncivility, Hate speech
First and foremost I would like to sincerely ask you for your help. Your input and patience is appreciated. I want to bring to your attention this. HD86 has made numerous comments such as "The Assyrians are EXTINCT people of ancient Mesopotamia whose name was stolen by some modern politicians and used in reference to the modern Syriacs. To label the modern Syriacs by "Assyrians" and to claim that "The Assyrian people trace their origins to the population of the pre-Islamic Levant" is indeed stupidity in its purest form." These comments are inflammatory, racist, unhistprical and outrageous. This user continues to deny that a whole race even exists. He needs to be wiki disciplined. This is unacceptable inflammtory denialist behavior. The equivalent of his statments would be that jews or arabs do not exist. Do you not see the point. His languge is very hateful and dimeaning to those of us involved in the project. If you take a look at his history he has similar incompetent statemetns regarding other controverisal topics. I ask for assistance in order to remove this hateful user from this discussion. He has denied the existence of an entire race that through ample ancient and modern evidence has existed for thousands of years. I will be waiting for your response. I must stress this is only one of many disturbing comments this user has made. Thanks for your input my friend. I have left similar messages to other admins for more input. Ninevite (talk) 17:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He's been blocked for a short duration for those comments and others. When he returns, and the incivility/disruption continues, let me know and I can deal with it accordingly. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  17:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You should take a look in Ninevite's edits instead. The user has already posted the same message in several users talkpages, in ANI and at Wikiquette_alerts. For personal attacks and canvassing Ninevite should at least be warned. The TriZ (talk) 22:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Sock puppetry
As you were the admin who handled the WP:Suspected sock puppets/Obroak case, I wanted to ask you how to handle the situation when the same puppeteer creates a new puppet (see ). Same articles, same pattern of blatant vandalism. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You can either create a second SSP page at Suspected sock puppets/Obroak (2nd), or notify me or another involved administrator. The latter may be a quicker response. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  15:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, what about us?
Steve Alpert wanted me to tell you that we'd love to have you on the roadgeek channel. It's moved to the same server that the Wikipedia channels are on. The actual name of the channel is available in the topic of #wikipedia-en-roads. Feel free to join both whenever you have some spare time. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 05:17, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's really interesting. I actually spent the last two hours cleaning my floors and carpets after I discovered the scent of poop in my apartment. My damn cat got a little to excited in the litter box and spread the damn poop around on the back side of her tail and paws. I'll try to pop in tomorrow :) seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  05:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Notorious Duckman
Please also review the contributions of User:Fear the duckman, who also !voted in the AFD for Nintendocore. Almost surely the same person. Chubbles (talk) 14:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit comparison tool
Where'd you get that? I'd like to have one of those ... though I can usually sniff out a sock from a mile away. Blueboy96 02:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a tab when I am viewing a user's contributions that has "Comp". It took a while to sort through the user's edits with it, but it does come in handy for a lot of SSP cases. You can parse through my monobook for it (I can't remember what triggers it). seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  02:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Pathetic?
You may think so, but then you are not the one who has been trying to contain the wikidrama initiated by Ottava Rima over the course of the last week. It's infuriating the way Rlevse dropped out of the blue to hand this user more ammunition when we had finally looked like winding up this totally pointless time-wasting dispute. The fact that Rlevse has had virtually no involvement with DYK until this sudden intervention only makes it that much more galling.

Furthermore, I meant what I said about the policy-wonkishness. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 06:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC) ...which makes him an uninvolved administrator, and can provide valid, constructive, and neutral opinions regarding the matter. You've simply become too involved and should have sought outside opinion. Yes, I know that he can be a pain at times; I've read the many posts regarding his actions at ANI before. seicer &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  06:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, fellow softie!
I tweaked your edit to User_talk:Scootey to put the second request back (for documentation purposes... it's not still in the category), hope you don't mind. Revert me if you need to. Cheers. ++Lar: t/c 21:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That was my one good faith action for this holiday season. I plan on being an even bigger dick to live up to my self-acclaimed title. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  01:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for User:Guido den Broeder/Wikipedia, the Social Experiment
An editor has asked for a deletion review of User:Guido den Broeder/Wikipedia, the Social Experiment. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 18:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Where? I'm not seeing this listed. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  18:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Try purging DRV. It's getting particularly bad lately. Stifle (talk) 10:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I noticed you just closed the ANI discussion which resulted in the ban. Should his pages be locked and replaced with a banned user tag, as he is continuing attacks on his talk page (his user page is already locked) and removing dissenting opinion and discussion. I was about to request this on the ANI, but I don't mind that it's been closed. Yours, Verbal   chat  17:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * At this point, Guido can appeal his ban to ArbCom via arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org, but he cannot use a proxy or sockpuppet to do this. You are correct in that editors who have been banned, are not permitted to edit their user and user talk pages. I will modify his pages to reflect this. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  17:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He says he's already email arbcom. Thanks for your reply. Not related at all: Merry Christmas! Verbal   chat  17:28, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He was going to opt for a proxy, as indicated here. That's unacceptable per policy. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  17:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And have a great holiday season as well :) seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  17:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Good job seicer. You deserve a beer. Cookies.  Something.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 17:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I refuse to give anyone a barnstar until someone gives me one... and then I'll be snobbish about it. Otherwise I'd give you all one. I've also managed to avoid eggnogg (ugh), but I've developed a taste for vin chaud, so I'll offer you a vin chaud star. Verbal   chat  17:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A life would be nice :) seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  17:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Guido den Broeder
Required notice to all parties involved with the Guido den Broeder ban/block/discussion: I have appealed the ban on his behalf at WP:RFAR. Cosmic Latte (talk) 19:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Law Lord question
If he insists on re-posting disruptive comments on his user pages, am I justified in using rollback to zap them? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I made a conventional reversion, and then you protected the page, so hopefully that's the end of it for awhile. He needs to do as I did awhile back, and take some time off. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 05:57, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He didn't notify me about the RFC, either, but I found out about it somehow. 0:) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 06:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This will be fun! seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  06:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you say so. 0:) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 07:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I unprotected User:Law Lord per an RFUP request, on the understanding that the controversial material not be added back in. I took a look at the RfC, and without becoming involved, it seemed that unless we're close to banning this user, there's really no way we can keep his/her user page protected. I am doing this as an uninvolved admin, and I'm not trying to step on any toes here. Let me know if you blow your top upon reading this, and we can discuss here or on my talk page. Otherwise I'll assume you're okay with this unprotection. Tan   &#124;   39  20:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's more than acceptable, Tan. It's always good to have an uninvolved administrator conduct a second guess of a situation, and I am not challenging this. Cheers seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  06:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I, on the other hand, am blowing my top. It's a miracle that I can even type at this point. I will fight this to the death. On second thought, I'm not allowed to fight anything to the death. Doctor's orders. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 06:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Tan, I posted an update on Law Lord's ban at the Danish Wikipedia, including relevant links. They have been forwarded to your talk page, and I have asked an administrator that was involved in the Danish incident to comment or provide further insight. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  07:00, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I can discern from the translations, the aptly self-titled Law Lord is pretty good at wikilawyering in at least 2 languages. Except for the part about getting banned, of course. Oops! I'm thinking Rod Blagojevich should bring him into his dream/nightmare team of attorneys. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 07:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm. Well, I also see all the wikilawyering and general disruption this user is causing... if you need to re-protect that page, go right ahead. Tan   &#124;   39  15:00, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Law Lord
Hi Seicer

Regarding LL I'm not interested in getting involved. Earlier this year I created a Wikipedia article about his real person. It was later deleted, one of the reasons was that he deleted all information about himself on his homepages. (my sources). Then about two month ago I got a call from the local police, that he hat reported me for publishing private information. After a telephone interview the case was dismissed. But it have tought me to stay away from such idiots. --Broadbeer (talk) 10:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up and information. As much of the case was handled through OTRS and the WMF, I won't go into disclosing further information regarding the case. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  13:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding my edits at Šarplaninac
Hi,

I see that you have posted the 3RR notice at my talk page.

May I ask what separates me from other users, so that you have posted that only to me? Nikola (talk) 18:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have actually blocked editors on that article in the past for edit warring -- which is not necessarily restricted to 3RR violations. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  18:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Your RFAr about SA
Hey there.

Could you clarify why you placed me in the list of parties, and whether you feel my involvement is such that a recusal is required? I had not noticed your original inclusion before my original answer and did not expect that the current dispute would name me as a party as I don't believe I have commented on the topic in very many months? &mdash; Coren (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed you from the list of active parties; I looked a little closer at the list (which was quite lengthy), and noted that you had participated only briefly, as an uninvolved administrator, in the blocking of SA in a related case. No recusal is required. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  21:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I see our edits crossed each other. Thanks for the clarification.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 21:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

E-mail
I just sent you an e-mail. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 06:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know what was in that email, but you apparently are operating, per your ANI comment, that I have argued that we should say he is not Christian. I say he is not under the UCC fold. Please try and read the talkpage comments before adding inane comments to ANI that misrepresent what I have tried to say.Die4Dixie (talk) 00:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool your jets, boy. The e-mail I sent him was on a totally different topic. A day ago. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * sigh* seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  00:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at the bright side: Here's a whole 'nother section you can delete, and further unclutter your page. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, between being referred to as Die4's girlfriend. and being told I should be blocked, by a de-frocked admin yet, it's been an interesting evening. One question: What does NDWR stand for? Or am I better off not knowing? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll tell you what I was going to say: "It's OK, let him vent. Yes, that was a personal attack, and I suppose I could take him to ANI about it. But I don't do that. When I go to WP:ANI, it's over editing behavior in articles, not personal attacks. Personal attacks may sting a bit, but they don't matter. Article content is what matters." Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct, but please don't rile him on -- even if that wasn't your intention. D4D seems to have a short fuse, and further tampering with it could set D4D off for a lengthier block over a relatively minor issue. I'd like to see him positively contribute via discussions, not through edit warring or hot tempers. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  02:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * All I asked for was evidence that Obama had left the denomination. It's amazing what mountains out of ACORNs grow. (That's another story). Don't block him for the F.U. stuff he said to me. I don't care about it. I just want an answer to the question I keep asking him. If he can find valid-source evidence that Obama has actually left the denomination, I will support it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And someone else did the research for him, as there is an AP wireservice story asserting that he had left the denomination as well as the congregation. So now we have a chance at arriving at consensus, and Die4's previous take may well prove to have been right, just for the wrong reason. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:07, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of posting that fact on his page. I'm hopeful that consensus can now be reached by all the parties. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I would be fine with your unblocking him early, but that's your call. His block is about 2/3 over by now anyway. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

used
It came from their official blog page which is just as good as the official website, and the rest, a magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Remote peace (talk • contribs) 03:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Blogs are still not reliable sources; and there were no citations for the remainder. If there were citations to a magazine, it needs to be properly cited -- or at the minimum, a link to the magazine. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  03:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

ScienceApologist RfAr
Hi; could you trim your statement on the S.A. Request for Arbitration please? At 1107, it's quite a bit over the 500 word advised limit. Thanks a lot, AGK 12:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll trim this down when I am at work later today. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  12:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem; there's no rush. Regards, AGK 12:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
I didn't notice that you had "retired", but, regardless of what happened, you still deserve a Merry Christmas :-) - Have a great and safe New Year, buddy. I do hope you return. Wiki needs you. Scarian  Call me Pat!  12:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't retired; I am just tired :O) Have a good Christmas as well! seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  12:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * At least you can rest safe in the knowledge that you evidently would be missed if you did retire, Seicer. ;-) AGK 12:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * They would be throwing a party for me at Wikipedia Review if that happened! seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  14:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas


A NobodyMy talk is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to their talk page with a friendly message. --A NobodyMy talk 02:25, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

ghost deletes
I think you made a mistake here []; it looks as if you wanted to nominate charles goh, but instead created a redirect to the singaporean-bored-student-fake-ghostbusters-with-madeup-citations-article. Letting you know rather than assuming your intent, though. But while i'm here, why not speedy for ghostbusters? They were deleted once before. Go well, merry christmas.Bali ultimate (talk) 05:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

A Note About ANI Post
It appears that User:TrinityAsianCoed thinks that this message from you is actually from me, according to this message on ANI. He added some other stuff after that post but I am not going to give him a response. That is what he wants and he ain't getting it, but since your name is being dragged around and sockpuppetry is being accused, I thought you should know about it. Take Care and Merry Christmas... NeutralHomer •  Talk  • December 25, 2008 @ 07:09
 * Bah, I just got done reading the post and was left scratching my head too! Have a festive Festivus! seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  07:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Give me a good laugh as well. Take Care... NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • December 25, 2008 @ 07:11
 * This new post from User:TrinityAsianCoed says specifically "Are you perhaps a NeutralHomer sockpuppet?". I don't think we are socks....are we? *shifty eyes* *dramatic music*  I will let you handle that one, I have no intention of answering any of his "concerns".  Still funny though. :) -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • December 25, 2008 @ 08:13
 * Is there anyway to mark the Chad Dukes massive post on ANI as resolved and possibly archive it since it is mostly just User:TrinityAsianCoed talking and making accusations? I have readded the "collapse" feature to the section after it was removed by User:TrinityAsianCoed. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • December 25, 2008 @ 22:11

Requests for comment/Law Lord
That Moulton guy patiently waited for the 3-day semi-protection to expire and then started posting his junk again. Could you extend it for awhile? Thank you! Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:34, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Fringe science
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Fringe science/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Fringe science/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,  Gazi moff  00:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am out of town until the 2nd of January, and will compile the evidence page when I return (I am on an iPhone). seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  01:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I edited your section
I hope you don't mind: (correction to stated time of a diff) ☺ Coppertwig(talk) 12:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Seicer was inducted into The Hall of The Greats
Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini is possibly one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet, but just don't back him in a corner. This gentle guy once killed a man in the boxing ring. He was so broken up about it, he retired from boxing. I dedicate his portrait to you. -- David  Shankbone  19:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I would go more for Dick Butkus, who was captured on camera standing over a Detroit Lions player who had literally died on the field. Butkus didn't actually kill the guy, it was heart failure. But I recall something Butkus once said: "I would never hurt anyone. Unless it was something important, like a National Football League game." Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In fact Butkus was actually signalling for help, for the fallen player, Chuck Hughes, at that game in 1971. This year, of course, the entire team metaphorically did a Chuck Hughes. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think it would be too trivial to have an article on famous sports deaths? -- David  Shankbone  19:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know about an article, but certainly there's room for a category. "Famous sports deaths" is a little broad. How about athletes who died during the season, on or off the field. I'm thinking of Reds catcher Willard Hershberger, for example, who committed suicide during the 1940 season, the only recorded mid-season suicide; or Lyman Bostock, Angels, 1978, the only recorded murder of a ballplayer during the season; or the most obvious, Ray Chapman, Indians, who died after being hit in the head by a Carl Mays pitch in 1920. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This is begging for a category! You'd have to be the one to do it.  Two subjects I can't contribute anything to are sports and math, and I even thought it was dicey when I interviewed Frank Messina, the "Mets Poet".  Although I do get World Cup fever, but I don't think that counts.  -- David  Shankbone  19:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Turns out there is already a similar category, "Deaths among active Major League Baseball players", which Bostock, Hershberger, Chapman, and a bunch of others already appear. They apparently took the approach of "not yet retired", so for example Ed Delahanty and Roberto Clemente are on the list. However, there is no similar category for football players (or if there is, Hughes is not on it). In the case of boxing, there have been (not surprisingly) a number of deaths resulting from matches, including Mancini's victim, Duk Koo Kim, who is in the category "Deaths due to injuries sustained in boxing". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And Kim even belongs to Category:Sports deaths in Nevada - ha! I feel like coming up with a "new" anything on Wikipedia is like Simpsons Already Did It.  -- David  Shankbone  19:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Somehow that led me to an article about Sea-Monkeys, and it occurred to me we need more articles about sea creatures named for land creatures, such as Sea Elephants and Sea Lions. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Like Seahawks. -- David  Shankbone  20:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I am honored :) seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  00:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)