User talk:Semper et Veritas

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Speedy deletion nomination of Philip Catshill


A tag has been placed on Philip Catshill, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Hi, thanks for message. If you post an article it will be assessed as it stands. If you don't want that to happen, you should write it as a draft. I deleted your article because
 * it did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that he meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to him or any associated organisation or company, press releases, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what he claims or interviewing him. You gave no independent third-party sources at all, just a link to his own website. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls.
 * I can't see any claim that he meets the notability criteria linked above. I assume that you consider that he is notable as a painter, since the rest is just a social media-type bio, but there is nothing to indicate that his paintings are held in museums or that he has won significant awards. Similarly, no awards or sales chart figures for his book.
 * it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced claims presented as fact include: Several unique life experiences... he was sustained by faith and prayer... have been generously described as breath taking. These are unsourced opinions, not facts. Also note that there shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections. that's particularly the case when it is a spamlink to his website.
 * Much of the the article was a close paraphrase or copyright violation of his website. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. The copied site was marked Copyright © Philip Catshill. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial but there is no indication that the copied site allows free use. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient. But in any case the copyrighted text is too self-promotional to be useful for Wikipedia's purposes, so there would not be any point in your jumping through all the hoops that are required.
 * I note that you have edited no other article, and consider him to be "inspirational". If you are him or associated with him, you have a conflict of interest and you must declare it. If, after reading the information about notability linked above, you still believe that he is notable enough for a Wikipedia article (and that there is significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources), you could, if you wish, post a request at Requested articles for the article to be created. See also guidance for editors with conflicts of interest.
 * In particular, if you work directly or indirectly for him or his publisher, or otherwise paid for editing on his behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly. Regardless, if you are paid directly or indirectly to write about him, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:    . If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message.

Before attempting to write an article again, please ensure that he meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find adequateindependent third party sources. Also read "Your first article". You must also reply to the COI request above Jimfbleak - talk to me?  05:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Jimfbleak - I need your help here to get this article right ...
 * 1: Okay, there are no source references, but surely, providing the source such as Facebook, the back cover of a published book or Independent Author Network or Awesome Indies, Google+ or countless other places where this author's biography appears would definitely be considered as promotional as those sites also sell his books – how can I add a verifiable source without adding a promotional link?


 * 2: There is no copyright violation.


 * 3: There is no mention of a book title or link to any web page except to examples of the subjects paintings.


 * I want to get this right, not for the purposes of promotion but just to provide information as to what can be achieved after stroke, which I think will be of benefit to other stroke survivors and carers.


 * Your advice would be greatly appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semper et Veritas (talk • contribs) 09:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I've moved your message from my page so it's in one place. You can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~.
 * You are correct in that social media such as Facebook and Google plus are not independent sources, nor are publisher blurbs or sales pages. National newspapers or book award sites are fine, as the link above makes clear. If he's not mentioned in such sources, he is not notable enough for an article here
 * You still haven't said why you think he meets the notability criteria I've linked above or notability for creative occupations. There is no problem mentioning a book title as long as your text isn't trying to sell it, and it's not linked to a sales page. A link to his paintings has no purpose, you need to explain why he's notable as an artist, not show us his pictures, which is just promoting him. Either way, you need independent third-party sources
 * His website is clearly marked as copyright, and your text clearly copied or closely paraphrased parts of it, so it cannot be used here. ::The fact that other websites may also have copied his page doesn't help you, it's not permitted here
 * provide information as to what can be achieved after stroke, which I think will be of benefit to other stroke survivors and carers&mdash;that may well be, but it's not the purpose of an encyclopaedia.
 * You still haven't answered my COI query
 * I suggest that you look at biographies such as Pamela C. Rasmussen and also read WP:YFA. If you want to reply here, I will know you have done so if you start it with my user name, User:Jimfbleak and sign it with four tildes ~ when you post it. That will send me an alert.
 * Jimfbleak - talk to me?  12:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I know you haven't done this, but for the sake of completeness note that the images on his website are also copyrighted and can't be used in an article about him. Similarly, the cover of his book is copyrighted by the publisher. Jimfbleak - talk to me?  13:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * J. K. Rowling is a better example for a writer, and fairly notable... Jimfbleak - talk to me?  17:11, 10 August 2017 (UTC)