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Conflict of interest in Wikipedia
Hi SenatorBF, I work on conflict of interest issues in Wikipedia, and help editors understand how we manage conflict of interest (COI) in Wikipedia. Based on your disclosure here, you are what we call a "paid editor" and you have a COI. I am providing you with our COI notification and have tagged the article you have been working on. I'll have some comments and a question for you below.

Hello, SenatorBF. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

All editors are required to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view content policy. People who are very close to a subject often have a distorted view of it, which may cause them to inadvertently edit in ways that make the article either too flattering or too disparaging. People with a close connection to a subject are not absolutely prohibited from editing about that subject, but they need to be especially careful about ensuring their edits are verified by reliable sources and writing with as little bias as possible.

If you are very close to a subject, here are some ways you can reduce the risk of problems:


 * Avoid or exercise great caution when editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with.
 * Avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Spam).
 * Exercise great caution so that you do not accidentally breach Wikipedia's content policies.

Please familiarize yourself with relevant content policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies. Note that Wikipedia's terms of use require disclosure of your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you.

Comments and a question
Wikipedia is a scholarly project, and like all scholarly endeavors, managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. Please do read our guideline, WP:COI.

Briefly, conflict of interest is managed in Wikipedia in two steps: disclosure of the conflict, and offering edits on the Talk page for others to review instead of directly editing the article. You have already disclosed the relationship, so the first part is done. Going forward, please do not edit the article directly, but rather offer suggestions at the article's Talk page. You can do that easily - and provide notice to the community of your request -  by using the "edit request" function as described in the conflict of interest guideline. I made that easy for you by adding a section to the beige box at the top of the Talk page - there is a link at "click here" in that section --  if you click that, the Wikipedia software will automatically format a section in which you can make your request. Would please follow this procedure going forward? You can reply here if you have any questions or want to discuss anything, or you can ask at the article Talk page.

You may also want to read Statement on Wikipedia from participating communications firms and Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 12:31, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * JYTDog - What I am trying to do here is remove a hyphenated last name from an athlete I work for who is getting a divorce. I am not making changes to their story.  I went through the process with the intent of being on the up and up thus why I have stated that I am a sports agent and that I need to make changes from time to time to reflect accurate information.  I only used my website to show pertinent information about Ms Agosta.  I was not using it as fact because that would be against wikipedia's policies which I understand. --SenatorBF (talk) 20:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * part of the problem with sharing an account, is that one user doesn't know what others have done. Please look at this account's contributions, here: Special:Contributions/SenatorBF. The account has done much more than that.


 * Will you please agree to stop editing articles directly, and instead make edit requests on Talk pages? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 23:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Note about your User page and the policy, WP:NOSHARE
Your userpage makes it clear that this account is used by multiple people - it says "From time to time, we need to edit Wikipedia pages to reflect the attributes of his clients.". Please note that per our policy, WP:NOSHARE, sharing accounts is not allowed here. Different employees must use different accounts; each should disclose have his or her own disclosure on their individual user pages.

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "SenatorBF", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Trammel Museum of Art". However, you are invited to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you personally, such as "Mark at WidgetsUSA", "Jack Smith at the XY Foundation", and "WidgetFan87".

Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people, and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, or website, regardless of your username. Moreover, I recommend that you read our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please create a new account or request a username change that complies with our username policy. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you.

I suggest that using the links above, someone change the name of this account so that it reflects use by one person and the user page be updated to make it clear that this account is used by one person. User pages for other employees should have a similar disclosure. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 12:44, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I am an individual and misspoke on my bio.--SenatorBF (talk) 20:38, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * thanks for replying! That is actually not very believable (people tend to write naturally and honestly when they don't know they are doing anything wrong) but if this is account is going to be used by one person, please  change the user page so it doesn't refer to "he" and "we" but instead to "I".  if the user is an employee and not the agent himself you could make that clear too; if it is the agent you could make that clear. just make it reflect one user, and that user's relationship to the agency.  thanks. Jytdog (talk) 23:48, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You missed some pronouns in this edit. Then that will be about done. The next thing we'll need to talk about is the "peer review" part of management of COI in Wikipedia.  Please reply here when you are ready to discuss that.  Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 23:01, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I am the agent and no one else has access to the account. I wrote it in third person on purpose. SenatorBF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.15.195 (talk) 23:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Neither the page nor what you write makes sense. Since you are unwilling to make it read like a Wikipedian's page I have nominated it for speedy deletion - you cannot use WP for advertising and you cannot misrepresent what is going on either. Jytdog (talk) 23:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

To whom it may concern. When going through the initial introduction to wikipedia it was made clear to not attack or not be nice to others on wikipedia. Currently, I feel that Jytdog has been attacking me and I would like to speak with another wikipedia person. All of my edits have been made in a factual manner and are NOT in an advertising nature. When I set up the account, I was trying to maintain some level of privacy on my name thus why I set it up the way that I did. Truly, user Jytdog has been not nice and not making me want to ever post anything on here ever again. They need a lesson of courtesy that is explained in the opening of wikipedia themselves.
 * I've tried to speak courteously and directly with you. But you are a conflicted editor trying to use WP as part of your business, and that is not OK.   I work with many conflicted editors - if you deal with me in a straightforward and simple manner things can go very smoothly.  Accounts need to be used by one person.  If you are the agent, then the page needs to be in the first person and there is no need to refer to "he" at any point.  If this account is being used by some helper to the agent, then it makes sense to speak about "he".  But Userpages cannot be used to advertise the agency - they need to describe your work (one person's work) here in WIkipedia and discuss outside interests only to the extent that they pose a conflict of interest.  There are links above to the userpage policy which you should read if what I am writing doesn't make sense to you.  Jytdog (talk) 00:05, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --SenatorBF (talk) 01:07, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I have been attacked repeatedly by user JYTdog. This has gone on now for weeks. This page has been set up to make corrections to folks that I work with who have earned attributes that are constantly evolving because they are Olympic athletes in the United States and Canada as well as in the public eye and broadcasting.

I am the only one making edits to the page, but I originally spoke in 3rd person to try and maintain some privacy. This might not have been the best route to go but it was done so I would not use my full name.

All changes that I have made on wikipedia have been related to athletes name, image, likeness and their attributes. One of my clients got a divorce 2 years ago and is remarrying this summer and her previous marriage name kept re-occuring in her profile. She wanted it removed. Another client is in the midst of a divorce right now and has gone back to her previous maiden name and does not want her name on her profile as well. If it needed to be noted that she was married, that is fine. She has no problem with that. Hockey Canada only lists her maiden name and the court system in Quebec where the divorce proceedings are underway the link does not work which JYTdog did NOT want to accept even though it was shown to him multiple different times. I showed news links only using her maiden name and none of this was good enough for this user.

Honestly, I am so upset with the actions of JYTdog that I would want to talk with ANYONE ELSE, but this user only wanted to pick on me. I have had good speaking times with other Wikipedia users but in their case it has felt like an attack and if I could have figured out someone else to reach out to try and discuss I would have done so.

As it relates to the wikipedia page I am trying to edit specifically, it is about Meghan Agosta-Marciano. Here are links that shows the Windsor Star media outlet that only uses her maiden name as recently as this month.

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/sports/local-sports-roundup-meghan-agosta-to-begin-hockey-academy-in-july


 * I have various thoughts concerning the disagreements between you and Jytdog, but I don't have time to go into much detail now. However, I will just mention three things.
 * 1) I have declined the speedy deletion request on your user page, which was mistaken.
 * 2) Your editing at Meghan Agosta-Marciano was far from neutral in tone, as required for a Wikipedia article. It was, in fact, a very good illustration of why Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines discourage editing on a subject where one has a close personal involvement.
 * 3) Wikipedia's practice on what title to use for an article about a person does not always coincide with what they prefer to be called. There are several considerations, but usually the deciding fact is what name is most commonly used in English. It is not always easy to get accurate statistics on that, but a few Google searches seem to indicate that "Meghan Agosta" is much more common than "Meghan Agosta-Marciano", so I shall rename the article.  The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 01:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you "JamesBWatson"  I appreciate your help --SenatorBF
 * the userpage is not a WIkipedia userpage, but rather an ad for the agency; the page also makes it appear that the account is operated by more than one person. Jytdog (talk) 01:53, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I see no advertisement. I see a declaration of the editor's professional involvement in subjects he or she may edit about. Such a declaration is not only acceptable, and helpful to other editors, but actually required by Wikipedia's terms of use in the case of an editor who is paid in connection with activities involving editing Wikipedia. There are two points relating to the indication of more than one person using the account. (1) Whatever impression may have been given before, the editor has now stated that only one person uses the account. (2) If the account were being used by more than one person, why would hiding the statement that it was happening help? Removing the statement would not stop the multiple-user use of the account continuing: it would merely make it more difficult for other editors to realise that there was a breach of policy going on. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:10, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for answering, JamesBWatson. Jytdog (talk) 10:45, 15 June 2015 (UTC)