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welp, i lost a bet
here you are! :) feel free to link to this diff as proof that i have ceded these QPQs to you. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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Deleting all of Byzantine–Venetian war of 1171
Dear Sir/Madam, Why did you delete practically all of the content of the following page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Venetian_war_of_1171 It is now a complete husk with the only work remaining being a conclusion and some references of no use as now we have no idea what they were referencing. If you were worried about a copyright issue, why not just read into the text further and find additional sources rather than carving up the corpse and leaving only the fingernails behind. Kind Regards, NotAnotherNameGuy (talk) 12:22, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @NotAnotherNameGuy, I understand why you are upset, but there was over eight thousand bytes of text that were directly copy and pasted from an outside source. It is not the obligation of someone who finds the copyright to rewrite everything themselves, but rather the person that inserted the copyvio to not violate copyright in the first place. If there is copyvio, you need to remove it before you start expanding, or rewrite it entirely. I urge you to read WP:CV to understand exactly why we do not just add more sources to copyright-violating text on Wikipedia.
 * Addendum: it is generally not the most welcomed to address fellow editors as Sir or Madam on Wikipedia. Most people prefer to be directly addressed with their username or other stated nickname. Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 17:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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Article move
Hello,

A week ago, you agreed to move the Niké Liga article to Slovak First Football League. However, this change still did not take place. Could you please look at it? Thanks a lot. Penepi (talk) 22:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Penepi: I've done the move, but I don't have time right now to do the retargeting, so I'll get to them later. Thank you for reminding me! Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 23:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Guidance for a potential copyright issue
Hello Sennecaster! I'm reaching out to you based on your inclusion in the active list of copyright clerks. I'm a long-time lurker who has gradually started to contribute more actively on enwiki, primarily in copyedits.

I've been using the app interface's "suggested edits" tool, and while suggesting an edit for the article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Short, I decided to look into its subject more (I'm a Digital Humanities scholar who had not heard of him before).

Unfortunately, this led me to quickly discover that the long-standing lede paragraph in his article is pulled nearly verbatim from his personal bio on his university website, which lists a standard copyright at the page footer. In fact, the bio in question is included as a linked reference for later content in the wiki article. From my initial review, though, it is only the article's lede which is potentially too closely phrased to this source reference.

I read a bit about enwiki's policies here, and while I think it's a clear circumstance where the wiki text was copied from the other website, I don't feel confident navigating things like adding a tag to this article myself to alert of the issue. I'd happily volunteer to write a new lede paragraph in my own words, as this is clearly an area of interest for me, but I wanted to request guidance first about how to go about this:

Is it crucial to tag the article for potential copyvio as a first step, to formalize the concern for public visibility?

Or would it be acceptable to merely stage the changes to the lede and include the explanation about copyright concerns as justification for those changes in the accompanying edit summary?

Thanks for your time in reviewing my questions here, please let me know if you need any other information! Chiselinccc (talk) 04:14, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Chiselinccc; It's not necessary to tag it, if you entirely rewrite the text with copyright concerns then that's sufficient enough to remove the issue. If it's recent, you can request revision deletion using cv-revdel, but it's not usually used on longstanding articles. Something to keep in mind, as it happens a lot with academics, is that this might be a case of WP:LIMITED. If there isn't a way to state something without losing clarity, it is considered too basic for copyright protection. Hope this helped, and thanks for reaching out! Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 17:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This helped a ton, thanks! The main reason I suspect it's a good case for rewriting is that the copied text only reflects the subject's very narrow contributions to the academic programs at that single university, and the rest of the article covers a pretty impressive breadth of other accomplishments not summarized in the lede text.
 * From the article history, the text in question was there from the start when it was closer to a stub in length, so I suspect it's a win/win to rewrite now that more references and content have been aggregated over time on this subject. Just wanted to make sure that there was no magical step I needed to take first, to "raise the flag" on my copyright concern in the long-term provenance of article edits.
 * Thanks for taking the time to explain so well, you've been quite encouraging to me as a new editor and helped connect the dots on how the impressive breath and depth of policy plays out in practical terms in these situations. Take care, I hope you have a great day! Chiselinccc (talk) 18:54, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
For your great work in the area of copyright. Thanks so much. You are appreciated!

– Novem Linguae (talk) 14:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC) 

Another kitten for you!
Seconding the above - your hard work in the area of copyright cleanup is much appreciated.

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Chronica
Hi, I would ask you advice regarding your removal: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chronica_Hungarorum&diff=prev&oldid=1179894878

Firstly I would say that I respect the Wiki rules, and I would be a useful content creator who keep the rules, and in the past I did not know about this paraphrasing rule from other languages, I thought only the copyright violation is if I copy paste direct a long English text from an English book, website, etc. Which means I will be more carefuly in the future.

I bet regarding those some sentences, no one would have noticed, just there is an user who had not much contribution on the Wikipedia, just harassing and reporting many of my edits as personal revenge. It past 2 months since the copyright report, so it cannot be too serious...

I checked the rules: Close paraphrasing


 * 1) "Istanbul is a large city"
 * 2) "The sun looms through the haze like a red omen"

''The first is a simple statement of fact and should be acceptable. The second carries over the figurative expressions "looms through" and "like a red omen", so presumably is not acceptable despite using completely different words from the original.''

According to my understanding, which means if I say "World War II ended in 1945" cannot be copyrigthed if any source use this sentence. Is this correct?

You removed this content:

''In fact, the number of printing houses was not too high at that time. At the end of the 1470s, 66 printing houses could operate in Europe, of which two were in the Kingdom of Hungary (in Buda and Pozsony (now Bratislava))''

I think this is "fact" category. Could you give me advice how can I put this info in the article in a different way? I see you are a native English speaker, so you can easier help me because I am not a native speaker.

This was the other deleted content:

''The Chronica Hungarorum was created by merging several historical works. The first part is a 14th-century composition that discusses the history of the Hungarians from the earliest times to 1334. The second text unit of the Buda Chronicle contains the last times of the reign of King Charles Robert of Hungary, the events of the period between 1335 and 1342. The third part contains the history of King Louis the Great of Hungary, while the fourth unit contains the period between 1382 and 1468, describes events related to the reign of King Matthias of Hungary. This last section, whose author is unknown, that is only four pages, so the editor has condensed the events of the recent past and of his own time, which were quite exciting and twisty events, it tells the story of eight decades from the death of King Louis I (1382) to the campaign of King Matthias Corvinus in Moldavia (1468). The disproportion is conspicuous: King Albert of Habsburg (1437–1439), who reigned for barely two years, received not much less content than King Sigismund of Luxemburg (1387–1437), who reigned for half a century. King Matthias Corvinus is only mentioned in a short chapter: his coronation (1458), the recapture of Jajca (1463), the recapture of the Holy Crown of Hungary (1464), and finally the victorious Moldavian campaign. Then the chronicle ends suddenly and the Hungarian history of the last four years (1469–1473) is missing. This can be explained by the fact that the very sensitive domestic political events between 1471 and 1472 (the conspiracy, the invasion of the King Casimir IV of Poland, the captivity and death of John Vitéz) were still very recent, so it seemed wiser to remain silent about them.''

That is my source text with fast translation: https://chronica.oszk.hu ''The Chronicle of the Hungarians was created by merging several historical works. The first part is a 14th-century composition that discusses the history of the Hungarians from the conquest to 1334. The second text unit of the Buda Chronicle contains the end of the reign of Róbert Károly, the events of the period between 1335 and 1342. The third part discusses the history of King Louis the Great, while the fourth unit, the period between 1382 and 1468, describes events related to the reign of Mátyás Hunyadi.''

https://chronica.oszk.hu/a-kronikarol/ ''The text of the Chronica, created by merging several independent historical works, is dated 14–15. remained to us from 19th century codices. The last section of the print, whose author is unknown, tells the story of eight decades from the death of Louis I (the Great) (1382) to Matthias' campaign in Moldavia (1468). It is worth noting that there are only four pages, so the editor has condensed the events of the recent past and of his own time, which are otherwise quite exciting and twisty. The disproportion is striking: Albert of Habsburg, who reigned for barely two years, received not much less than Sigismund of Luxembourg, who reigned for half a century. Mátyas Hunyadi is only mentioned in a short chapter: his coronation (1458), the recapture of Jajca (1463), the recapture of the Holy Crown (1464), and finally the aforementioned Moldavian campaign. The Chronica ends abruptly here, the Hungarian history of the last four years (1469–1473) is missing. This can be explained by the fact that the very delicate domestic political events between 1471 and 1472 (the conspiracy, the invasion of the Polish Kázmér, the captivity and death of János Vitéz) were still very recent, so it seemed wiser to remain silent about them.''

These info are also facts, how can I say different that the chronicle describe the rule of these kings? If the Harry Potter books has 7 volumes and certain characters, how can I say it different?

I would highlight this removed content, you can see basically this is just a list of historical facts, all of them have a separate Wiki articles, so I cannot understand exactly how can be copyright violation listing facts and listing Wiki articles next to each other by chronology. Btw those chapters are in the 500+ years old medieval book in the same way which cannot be copyrighted if my marked source, the public national library presented what is in the old book:

King Matthias Corvinus is only mentioned in a short chapter: his coronation (1458), the recapture of Jajca (1463), the recapture of the Holy Crown of Hungary (1464), and finally the victorious Moldavian campaign

The source in the public national Hungarian library about that medieval book, (should I ask permission from them to use their text?)

Could you give me advice how can I put these facts in the article in the proper way? Thank you your support!

OrionNimrod (talk) 10:30, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @OrionNimrod; Acknowledging that I've seen this and will respond but I don't know if I'll have time to give an in-depth response until Sunday evening in America. Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 11:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem, I can wait for your help and advice! OrionNimrod (talk) 11:40, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @OrionNimrod, I'm another user who is also active in copyright. Copyright is inherently complicated and it is very easy to misunderstand it: unfortunately, here, I think you may have misunderstood the WP:LIMITED guideline.You are correct in that simple facts like the one you mentioned cannot be copyrighted. This is because there is no other creative way to express the same fact. Many of the sentences you have translated are written in a creative manner, and are not just simple facts. Additionally, even for those that do fall under LIMITED, you have often copied the sentence structure verbatim: the actual structure of a paragraph can also be copyrighted. Whilst facts themselves may not be copyrighted, the order they are presented in can.You must rephrase this content in your own words. A trick often mentioned is to read the text, look away for a few minutes and write what you remember, checking after to correct your errors. Ideally, you shouldn't be translating copyrighted texts at all if they are not in your own words. On your example:could be rephrased as: As for your second point, if the text is in the WP:public domain, i.e. it is not copyrighted, then you may use it on Wikipedia. However, you must attribute it with a template like . Content from the Hungarian National Library is copyrighted, as stated here. If you want to seek permission from them to use their text, please follow the instructions at WP:DONATETEXT.In cleaning up this content, it would be very helpful if you could highlight where you have copied or translated from a copyrighted text, and if you could remove or rephrase the material as such. Please ask if you have any questions. –  I s o chrone (T) 23:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Isochrone, Sennecaster,
 * Thanks for your uselful feedback and copyright advice! I think I need practise the suggested workflow. Then I will check carefully the removed content and I rewrite the facts in my own words. By the way it is possible to ask copyedit by other users in these cases? (maybe easier to do this the native speakers)
 * I found an another fancy thing. Because that is an 550 years old book, there are many studies about this over the centuries, for example this is an academic source from 1900 about the book, which means it cannot be copyright because it is older than 70 years: http://real-eod.mtak.hu/8724/1/MTA_ElnokokFotitkarokMunkai_FraknoiVilmos_159882.pdf
 * That source say exactly the same facts as the modern sources about this book. Should I use an academic source from 1900? But we have an another wiki rule, that we need to use reliable modern secondary academic sources. If the modern text is the same as the old not anymore copyrighted one, does the modern text transfer the copyright right of the old one which expired?
 * For example if there is a story in an 500 years old book, and today somebody write exactly the same text and publish it, then it will be copyrighted? It means nobody can use anymore the old text? OrionNimrod (talk) 11:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Isochrone,
 * I would like to ask you advice regarding this, you removed this content
 * "The chronicle was published twice in print in 1488 in Brno and Augsburg. The Augsburg edition had two versions, the description of the Austrian campaign is missing from which one was dedicated to the German audience. Nevertheless, two decorative copies have been preserved which were made for King Matthias of Hungary. Both were printed on parchment and the editor’s preface was made with gilded letters for the first time in history. The engravings of both volumes were painted at the Hungarian royal court."
 * Source text: https://corvina.hu/en/corvina/virtual-corvinas/inc1143-en/
 * "While the works of Ransanus and Bonfini were published first as manuscripts, and both in the royal court, we have no knowledge of such version of Thurocz’s chronicle: it was published twice in 1488 (in Brunn and Augsburg), and both times in print. The Augsburg edition had two versions of one of which – dedicated to the German audience – the description of the Austrian campaign is missing. Nevertheless, decorative copies were made for the king, of which two have been preserved: they were printed on parchment and the editor’s preface, for the first time in history, was made with gilded letters. Apparently, the engravings of both volumes were painted at the royal court. The same two illuminators worked on both volumes and shared the work the same way; besides, the hand of the more decisive master can be found in other works of the Buda workshop as well, including the Vatican Missal."
 * I see there are facts, like "the chronicle was published in print where and when" "the versions" "printed gilded letters for the first time in the history" "painted where". You can see I already changed many things and tried just provide only the facts from the original text. Or do you think it was ok, just it was too much similar together with the other text, because you removed a longer part of the text as my example here. Could you give me example how would you write these facts in the article? Thank you! OrionNimrod (talk) 17:11, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @OrionNimrod It's very clear you have just rearranged some sentences and changed some words: this does not evade copyright restrictions, it is close paraphrasing. Just using Mediawiki's native text-diff comparison shows this, but here are some specific examples:
 * {| class="wikitable"

! Article !! Source !! Rephrased
 * + Text comparison table
 * The Augsburg edition had two versions, the description of the Austrian campaign is missing from which one was dedicated to the German audience.|| The Augsburg edition had two versions of one of which – dedicated to the German audience – the description of the Austrian campaign is missing. || Two editions of the Augsburg edition were published: one for German readers and the other for Austrians, which is missing.
 * Nevertheless, decorative copies were made for the king, of which two have been preserved || Nevertheless, two decorative copies have been preserved which were made for King Matthias of Hungary. || Other preserved editions include two display copies commissioned by the King.
 * Both were printed on parchment and the editor’s preface was made with gilded letters for the first time in history. || ...they were printed on parchment and the editor’s preface, for the first time in history, was made with gilded letters. || Gilded letters were used for the first time, and editions were printed on parchment rather than X.
 * }
 * I have bolded where you have just copied word for word. I understand it may be difficult to rephrase in your own words, but it is pretty clear that this is just blanket copying. Simply changing the order of sentences does not mean it is not close paraphrasing. You will note, I have also added for each one an appropriately rephrased version. I do not have a perfect understanding of the topic, so I have still had to recycle some words, and you can see where there are very limited ways to otherwise express the source. I think the wider problem is how you are writing: you are writing solely based on sources that you are translating, rather than making notes of such sources and integrating them more fluidly into your writing. Additionally, you don't need to write in such excessive detail: this is an easy trap that causes you to subconsciously copy from certain sources. I understand it may be difficult to do this if you do not speak English natively, but it is imperative you understand what is and isn't close paraphrasing and how to avoid it. If you need help, I can rephrase some more, but I unfortunately cannot help you with the rest of the article. –  I s o chrone (T) 22:22, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I echo what Isochrone has so kindly written while I sort out IRL obligations; when translated, there is only rearrangement of the same words as the text. Neither Isochrone nor I natively speak Hungarian, so we are relying heavily on Google Translate and the likes to evaluate this. If I go specifically with In fact, the number of printing houses was not too high at that time. At the end of the 1470s, 66 printing houses could operate in Europe, of which two were in the Kingdom of Hungary (in Buda and Pozsony (now Bratislava)), the example you provided, there are more artistic licenses taken with these sentences of what WP:LIMITED suggests. Something that would fall under WP:LIMITED is "By the end of the 1470s, there were 66 printing houses, 2 in the Kingdom of Hungary.", because there is no way to reword the sentence without losing conciseness.
 * I think another thing that would help, as like what Iso is saying, is explained in the essay about close paraphrasing. You quoted the statement about translations, but I think the more you translate and the more closely you translate, the more likely you are to create a copyright problem is also useful to keep in mind. Overall, the more a source is used, the chance of a copyright violation is higher, and directly translating will almost always lead to problems like in Chronica. Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 22:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Isochrone, Sennecaster, thank you your kind and useful feedback!
 * I think I can learn that workflow to improve the quality of my Wikipedia contribution. I always use reliable academic sources, sometimes I had content dispute if I did not follow exactly the language of the sources because I did not want copyright issue. I understand now, reading the source, I can focus on the facts and I can provide those fact by my own words. OrionNimrod (talk) 10:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think another thing that would help, as like what Iso is saying, is explained in the essay about close paraphrasing. You quoted the statement about translations, but I think the more you translate and the more closely you translate, the more likely you are to create a copyright problem is also useful to keep in mind. Overall, the more a source is used, the chance of a copyright violation is higher, and directly translating will almost always lead to problems like in Chronica. Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 22:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Isochrone, Sennecaster, thank you your kind and useful feedback!
 * I think I can learn that workflow to improve the quality of my Wikipedia contribution. I always use reliable academic sources, sometimes I had content dispute if I did not follow exactly the language of the sources because I did not want copyright issue. I understand now, reading the source, I can focus on the facts and I can provide those fact by my own words. OrionNimrod (talk) 10:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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Preston Smith copyright issues
can you please help me understand why this article was heavily revised based on copyright issues? the article is now missing important facts. thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Preston_Smith_%28governor%29&diff=1142204953&oldid=1140528672&variant=en Ccirulli (talk) 19:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ccirulli: This was removed on grounds of presumptive deletion; much of the content that this user added had poor sources, copyright violations, fully offline sources, or were straight up SYNTH, BLP, or self-citing violations. The poor quality of writing, the mass copyright violations, and overall time sink led presumptive removal being used on almost all of this user's work, especially since he was an active LTA for years and much of what was removed from later pages was his sock content too. I have no objections if someone properly takes the sources and rewrites the content without just paraphrasing what Billy wrote. Furthermore, I would be very cautious in the future about labeling edits as vandalism, especially ones with clear reasoning, as other people may take that as a sign of assuming bad faith. Feel free to reach out with further questions on the matter. Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 15:15, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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George Frederik Willem Borel
Thanks for dealing with this listing at CP. Just an fyi, the original nlwiki article was deleted for plagiarism and pov, not copyvio, since the book is PD already. I asked the deleting admin a few months ago at nl:Overleg_gebruiker:Natuur12. Thanks. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:09, 24 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @ARandomName123; thanks, converted to PD attribution. POV isn't something I can assess myself as I can't read Dutch. Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 02:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

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Albert Pearson Stewart Copyright Status
Hi, I wanted to ask if the Albert Pearson Stewart page is going to be assessed? The director of Purdue Musical Organizations, William Griffel, submitted permission to use material from Bennet's Boilermaker Music Makers book to the permissions-en@wikimedia.org email address. Even if the photos from the book are not permitted, can I edit the page and remove them? I am concerned that the page is relegated to a copyright limbo of sorts, and I would like to see it finished. Thanks! CusterDome (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @CusterDome; the VRT ticket is waiting on volunteer response currently. I cannot share the details of the ticket, but I personally do not feel comfortable handling it. To answer your question; unfortunately, it is in a state of limbo about the text, but you can edit the page to remove the photos. Additionally, rewriting the text presumptively would clear up the copyright status definitively as we can ensure it isn't directly copied. The photos might take a while, but CPN does not deal with file issues overall so it will be bounced to Commons in its own time. Feel free to ask for additional clarification or questions, and thank you for reaching out. :) Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 16:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit requiest
Why did you delete my request to add this to the page? 84.110.218.178 (talk) 22:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * IPs can't be pinged. The extended-confirmed restriction states that edit requests must not be disruptive. A title calling either side a terrorist organization or something will be taken as disruptive. Twitter is not reliable either. I suggest you read more about what is a reliable source. Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 00:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * First of all, there is another sources.
 * https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-arrested-at-yale-columbia-pauses-in-person-classes-amid-anti-israel-protests/
 * https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pro-palestinian-protesters-outside-columbia-urge-hamas-to-burn-tel-aviv-to-the-ground/
 * Second, it's claim that they are peaceful protests, so it's important to give context. It's not important to mention that they are praising hamas (a terror organzation in usa) and are calling to burn tel aviv? 84.110.218.178 (talk) 07:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a better reasoned edit request than the one I removed. I suggest putting something closer to what you just wrote here on the talk page because I don't involve myself in articles on Israel Palestine, I just happened to see it in RM and saw an WP:ECR violation. Sennecaster  ( Chat ) 12:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) 84.110.218.178 (talk) 12:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)