User talk:SenseiJ

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February 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Karate, please cite a reliable source for the content of your edit. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Most sources I've seen describe Karate as primarily striking, but that some dojos mix in Aikido, and that a few schools had grappling from the start. Bring in a reliable source to the article's talk page to counter the current source and one to support your addition if you'd like to try again. Do not just revert, especially without an explanation in the edit summary, this is considered dismissive and is usually reserved for vandals. For more information on how things work here, see "Bold, Revert, Discuss". Ian.thomson (talk) 01:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I see that you are a new user, so I would advise you to read 3RR before you make any more edits. You have already broken the rule - you could be blocked. In general, after one revert, it is better to go to the talk page and discuss some compromise. Good Luck! jmcw (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording, and content that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. jmcw (talk) 02:05, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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Kata, grappling, and striking
All three are pretty consistant, and I found them in a few minutes. I believe the source of confusion is that you're only thinking about your own experiance within a single school. This issue of Black Belt magazine shows that different parts of the Naihanchi kata have been interpretted as either strikes or grabs by different schools. Just because another school does something differently than what you learned doesn't mean it's not karate. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wado Ryu Naihanchi is striking, not grappling
 * Shorin Ryu Naihanchi is striking, not grappling
 * Isshin Ryu Naihanchi is striking, not grappling
 * Karate-do: Traditional Training for All Styles By Kevin L. Seiler, Donald J. Seller points out that while Karate isn't absent of grappling, grappling is mainly found in Judo; and that Karate stems from Atemi, which focused mainly on striking.
 * In addition, this site about shows that Naihanchi kata has no grappling but striking as well as showing that Taikyoko Shodan is again, more striking and not grappling.

Anko Itosu pointed put in several letters that karate has grappling he wrote these letter back in the early 1900's the videos you posted has no bunkai. why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txP8vWt3xQE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-pkxqTu6Jw&feature=related

the book the way of kata by lawreance kane. the book bubushi also say karate has grappling regards SenseiJ

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Anko Itosu pointed put in several letters that karate has grappling the videos you posted has no bunkai. why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txP8vWt3xQE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-pkxqTu6Jw&feature=related

regards SenseiJ

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Find a reliable source that says "all karate includes grappling", and cite it in the article with, containing the name of the source, the author, page number, publisher or web address (if applicable). Bringing in a source that says that a school or a style of karate uses grappling does not show that all karate features grappling. Multiple sources describing individual schools does not work (because sources cannot be combined to arrive at a conclusion they do not state), there has to be a source that says karate is a both striking and grappling art. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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anko itosu said in several letters about all karate having grappling.

read the first chapter of the way of kata by lawrence kane, my proof is in there.

there are several other books as will i add on regards SenseiJ (talk) 03:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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Shuri-te, Naha-te and Tomari-te (in the 1800s) certainly had grappling. The Bubishi was known to karate people in this time.

When Okinawa introduced karate to school children(1900), many techniques were hidden or removed.

When karate was brought to Japan (1920-1930), even more was lost. Japanese karate became very hard.

Many karate sensei died during the war (1940-1945): more knowledge was lost.

Modern sport karate (1960-present) forbids holding and certainly gives no points/rewards for it.

The Wikipedia article describes some of the past and very much the present. People who practice Japanese karate for a few years might never learn about the other techniques. If you are lucky to have an Okinawan teacher, you will see much more.

The changes you made to the karate article were in the middle of another reference. If you are new to Wikipedia and wish to add something, write on the talk page of the karate article. I and other people will help you. Remember that there are many people involved in making a Wikipedia article with many different perspectives - we will find a common language. jmcw (talk) 21:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

--- yes i am new to Wikipedia and dont know the past way to do this here. also the discussion page on the site is that the same as the talk?

you make sever good points

but all karate techniques are in kata, techniques were not lost or not completely, hidden i can agree to, but even if the technique is hidden it is still part of the kata and kata is in essence your style all techniques come from kata. any karate style is the sum of its kata.

kata is the manual for the style, the old masters may have pasted on but techniques are still in the kata, and can still be brought out and re-discovered,

Modern sport competition sparring- this was brought out by the jka and it was a failed attempt to remove grappling from karate back in the 50's or 60's. they attempted to make karate a striking art only, and later changed there minds about it. and even in the sports version there is still kata. and while in the sports part they may not emphases the grappling in the match in the training side in kisa kumite the do. or in the bunkai training. kata bunkai is still there even if you dont teach it.

all kata has grappling in it. or if you can't agree to that at the very least the core kata in found in several styles has grappling can be easily proven in references, naihanchin, passai, tensho, sanchin etc

thank you SenseiJ (talk) 17:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)