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Grey Gowrie
Good work on Gowrie, and here's hoping the article name gets more accurate too. Maybe the article is also under-rated: I see your other page lists "B-class criteria" but they seem to be the toughest version. Here's another used in some GB/UK and US projects, and it's pretty "human": B - A well written article which can still be expanded. May be missing basic formatting, inline citations, infoboxes, etc., however, and these should be your target to take it to GA or A. I think many articles rated B or C are really more like what's described under A-class, for example, including Gowrie's. Keep it up! 195.91.214.78 (talk) 09:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting comparison, indeed, thanks:
 * C: has a defined structure, including a lede and one or more sections, is free from major linguistic (spelling and grammatical) errors, and if and when appropriate, has suitable supporting materials, such as an infobox and/or images / figures, and either reasonably covers the topic (with no major obvious inaccuracies) with some referencing or somewhat covers it while being well-referenced on all major points.
 * B: has a defined structure, including a lede and one or more sections, is free from major linguistic (spelling and grammatical) errors, and if and when appropriate, has suitable supporting materials, such as an infobox and/or images / figures, and both reasonably covers the topic (with no major obvious inaccuracies or omissions) and is well-referenced on all major points (with inline citations as far as possible).
 * vs
 * B - A well written article which can still be expanded. May be missing basic formatting, inline citations, infoboxes, etc., however, and these should be your target to take it to GA or A.
 * I find the latter a little too brief, and maybe closer to C than B - a little more of specific criteria helps (and I find the ones I use meet the rigorous standards of e.g. Project MilHist.) It's important that the "slope" to GA is not too steep. I'll keep it in mind, however. I would agree that many articles marked Start or C might well be one step higher, at least. GA is perhaps harder to secure than it might be; A is not used by the lead project I work on. I will review the Gowrie one. SeoR (talk) 09:34, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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"Planned" communities
Hey! For a bit of context, I'm working with a geography lecturer in DCU on getting some of her students to elect to improve some Wikipedia articles on such planned towns and villages as part of a final year assessment. So I added some tags to make it obvious that a number of these articles would benefit from them taking a look at them, I wasn't just doing some drive-by tagging! I find it an interesting topic as well though :) Smirkybec (talk) 13:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, sounds great, a real help from DCU. And yes, both interesting and previously missing. SeoR (talk) 14:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

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DYK for Grey Gowrie
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 * ww2censor (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, my bad, such an obviously ambiguous-potential term I should have checked. SeoR (talk) 12:20, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem, in future just hit the "thanks" button to save time making a post. I appreciate that just as much. I'll be on a very short visit and hope to take a photo of Blackrock House next Tuesday but the weather does not look so good. I asked a friend about 6 months ago but he has not been able to get there. Wish me luck. ww2censor (talk) 14:34, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Will do, next time. For now, good luck with the photo (and the visit, good before C19 rises further, new variants, etc.) - I got to Carysfort a while back for some pictures there, will use 1-2 for the grounds and the little river, but indeed those of the buildings were not good enough. Irish weather is not always cooperative.  But any new pictures are good for many of the articles.  When we finish the Unassessed, the next major push for Ireland might need to be certain groups for image coverage.  Still, 3600 more assessments (+hundreds incoming, no doubt) 'afore that. SeoR (talk) 15:00, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, weather is the nightmare of location photographers in Ireland though most of my work was in studio but on occasions I had visit the same location up to 3 times to get the right weather and lighting. Tucked in the right-hand corner of this photo, but hidden due to the angle is a very large wooden gate that I had to photograph after it had been completely refurbished during the last major renovation of the BoI. The only time could be a Sunday morning when there might be little traffic, few people and sun shining down onto the door before it moved towards Trinity. It took me several months to get a well lit morning. To be honest I have not been doing too many of the assessments recently but do check this new partly assessed listing most days to at least try to stop it increasing. If I have not mentioned it previously, this page is also worth reviewing. ww2censor (talk) 23:11, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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Blackrock House
File:Blackrock House, Newtown Ave.jpg: Success at last, though no blue sky, grey day, cold and windy! Too many cars and a big white van one vehicle to the left of the red one. No other uses I can think of. ww2censor (talk) 23:41, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Nice shot!, but yes, hard to avoid parking on most modern building pictures. SeoR (talk) 16:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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Michael Carolan (Belfast)
Hello Thank you for creating the page about my grandfather. Some life he had.

An edit is required though. He died in Dublin in 1937.

Kind regards A Carolan 81.107.7.248 (talk) 22:38, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:25, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Daisy Bannard Cogley
Hey! Thanks for all the great work you've done on this article - she's a fascinating woman, isn't she? I attended a talk (virtually) about her and Fred by Brian Trench, held by the Wexford Historical Society. He and Elaine Sissons have a new article in the pipeline on Daisy, and as a heads up, it might refute some of the claims made about her role in earlier republican activities (neither she or Fred were involved in the events of 1916), but might flesh out their role during the Civil War. It seems that the two obituaries for Daisy, as well those for Fred, were not very rigorously fact checked! Doesn't help that apparently she claimed to have very dim memories of the events of the 1910s-1920s when she unsuccessfully applied for a military pension. Anyway, just in case you were finding it all a bit confounding - hopefully this new article will do a bit of sorting out! Smirkybec (talk) 10:53, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, just logged back in to add content from another clipping. Fascinating indeed, and I suppose we may be running into some "fog of memory" or "actorial creative image work" - but I'm inclined to lean a bit on the Quidnunc pieces (though even super-connected Kelly could not have known directly the facts of the 1910s).  Interesting hint re. the military pensions - that whole question did generate a lot of "forgetful / bad memory moments" and as someone once said "judging by the pension applications, half of Dublin and a quarter of the island must have been involved in the Rising."  The whole topic of Bannard Cogley's involvement with Ireland seems untidy - did she first come to Wexford around 1910 (and I had not heard, even from relatives who remembered her in Dublin theatre, that she was some kind of founder of opera in Wexford), or was it 1914, or (I thought it unlikely but maybe not, having read your comments) only fully in 1919?  I also did wonder about the jail stories - was it really likely that she and her husband were interned twice, by the British and then by the Free State Government... it did happen to some activists but that this might have happened just once (1922-1923) is also very plausible.  I must look up that talk, and yes, that article by Trench and Sissons will be very interesting (and I hope they directly deal with the various obits, memorials, Irishman's Diary and other pieces). For now, I will soften wording in the article.
 * Meantime, how goes the Planned Communities thing? - I saw some "new editor" work. SeoR (talk) 12:55, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think there is a lot of embellishment laid upon some of these things, however Trench had found documents of raids on the Cogley home over Knapp & Peterson on St Stephen's Green which backs up the claim that their home was a safe house during the Civil War. It is Trench's contention that they weren't involved in 1916 activities, but Fred Cogley was the editor who would have received MacNeill's orders to stand down - funny little aside. Fergus was born around Easter 1916 as well. Yeah, the Wexford appearance is muddled, and it seems that her family were Carter not Mangan, which explains her stage name. Trench cited the various obits etc, and the issues within them and is trying to make as much sense of them as possible with Sissons. He had hoped that some locals in Wexford would have more to add, but there was nothing forthcoming.
 * The students did well with the planned communities assignment, all things considered! And they seemed to get a lot out of it, which is great as well. The coverage of Dublin developments was expanded quite a bit, which was starting from pretty much nothing. Still lots more that could be done there, and I will circle back around to it and the categories in particular. That Estate village article is on my long list of things to tackle! Smirkybec (talk) 16:15, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Got back to this today, and will do more after work. Most interesting that Fred would have received that notice. Ah, so Fergus was born c. 1916, I was just making an entry, and thinking "can't nail this" but I recall hearing hints that I thought placed him in the early 1920s - I will correct this impression. My own Wexford relatives (who don't recall mentions of any pre-WWI Wexford Opera but then at least high opera was not a major popular phenomenon then - then again, Toto might well have been doing operetta, which was big) thought the maternal family name might have been Furlong - a well-established name in southern Wexford, if I recall rightly, but I've also seen references to other names here and there (incl. northern Wexford ones), so it looks like memories are well and truly fogged. It would help if we knew at least *what part of Wexford* - there's a big difference between the northern mountainy bit, the eponymous town and the old Norman landing areas. I am promised more on the Santiago side, so let's see what that tells us.  Ah, and I had to tweak the obit date - the previous dating had been caught by the Revolt of the Printers, which led to a jokingly dated Irish Press (the edition of 13 Sept. 1965 was published as "3 July - 13 Sept", a little pointy but the papers had a hard time surviving that episode, so they had their little fun.
 * By the by, is that Brian Trench, former Prof. at DCU? He could be very interesting; did not know he had an interest but indeed it touches on his old lecturing topics, I suppose.
 * And great re. the Planned Communities, I'd also like to have a look. Just received Darley's book via ILL, reading tonight. SeoR (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * And in terms of family, for the end of the article page, I added a quick mention of great-grandson Niall, of RTE and then Setanta. I am not aware of Fergus having descendants and Cogley's legacy went to her two sons (with no mention of even the grandchild that obits were clear did exist) but I did hear that he married while he and Toto were in Hampstead.  One obscure mention even hints he was in the British Army, as the family were there in the WWII years, which would be a little ironic, but also quite normal - I will check further. SeoR (talk) 15:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello. A couple of small additions. Daisy Bannard-Cogley >was< awarded a military pension for the work 1918-1923. Not a big one but some real annual payout until she died. I don't recall that her husband got one but I'm not certain he applied. Sure there was a lot of exaggerated talk in pubs and living rooms, but you know, not many of the blowhards actually applied, and the process was demanding, with witnesses required. Some genuine contributors missed out because people had died, or names had been concealed but Mme B-C, who really did work with some of the senior people in the Movement, was not one. I am glad to see the name written properly, she was born Jeanne, was Juana on Latin American tours, Johanna in Ireland. Daisy was just a stage name, Toto what the set called here. Desiree, well, a caberet identity. Helen Carter I don't recognise. Bonne chance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.252.138.220 (talk) 15:25, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Further digging and discussion are probably best taken over at the article. But indeed, the Military Pension was granted, and the file on this has been quite informative on certain periods, and as to certain facts. I was impressed with the degree of "vsalidation", as we might now call it, in which the 1946 Ireland invested - no one was easily getting their hands on those pounds and shillings. Today a little bit timed out but I hope to do something tomorrow. SeoR (talk) 21:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi!
Lovely to meet you, and thanks for the introduction. Great to hear about the ongoing push for getting Ireland-related articles in good shape. I take your point on the wealth measurement item. Well made! No worries on the Wiki-ese, too. I come from the world of publishing, so have jargon of my own that I have had to modify for this platform. All the best, BN BaronNethercross (talk) 23:20, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Swords!
Hi there! I didn't want to revert edits and end up in reversion relay, so thought I'd grab you here. With the issue of Swords having the seventh-highest median income in the state: It could be easily rectified by saying it has the seventh-highest median income for all towns in the state. I am citing an Irish Times piece. It is the country's paper of record. If we simply decide that an Irish Times article is misleading, doesn't this land us in original research territory? Especially if we are saying that we know better than Irish Times data. We are essentially saying it's wrong without backing it up. I would strongly argue that it isn't wrong, it just needs to be phrased correctly. It's a fact that Swords has the seventh-highest median income in the state w/r towns. If we remove it from the Swords entry, it also follows that it needs to be removed from the Malahide entry. Happy to discuss more! BaronNethercross (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2022 (UTC).
 * Hi, that is essentially what I did - as indeed the Times is a reliable source, if not an academic one, so I moved, rather than removed, and you'll find it now down in "Quality of Life" with the wording qualified. I simply don't see a point like this as lede material - that's for key facts, preferably enduring ones. A major limitation of this statement is that it is not based on a scientific analysis of relevant comparators - it is from a fairly crude application of census data, and the significance of the data is then limited (so Swords is ahead of Adare, or Birr, or Kenmare, but are those really the main comparators for what is really a suburb in the shape of a town..?). Swords would more usefully be measured on a table of suburbs, as Malahide too, but most of their peers are not measured in this way (Malahide would be in the top 5, Swords in a different group - and this is not just about Dublin but would need to consider Cork - Blackpool, Douglas and such - plus Galway, etc., too). That's why I feel a statement like that can be misleading - someone might leap to the idea that Swords is among the ten wealthiest areas in Ireland, which is not even remotely the case. Even more so as we are touching on median and not average income. Happy to discuss. SeoR (talk) 18:11, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I totally hear you. But if the Irish Times says it is "in the state" then we have to assume they have done their due diligence and indeed taken Adare, Birr, and Kenmare into account. Why wouldn't they have? To assume otherwise is a form of original research, I would argue. It is a fact to state that the town has the seventh highest median income in the state, as per our paper of record. There are other ways to measure wealth, of course. But the sentence I penned is almost a literal copy/paste of a story in the country's leading news source. We are essentially extrapolating from their research and saying ours is better. I understand a lot of what you are saying, but it is informed opinion, in my opinion! I am an ex-publishing industry type and bring my own biases, it's true. But we have to stick to the research, no? I know there is a Wiki rule about avoiding "whataboutism" as an argument. But why does Malahide get "affluent" in its opening graf, based on that very piece? And yet, the towns further down cannot be mentioned? The Swords of 2022 is a solidly prosperous middle class town. I am not sure why it is not relevant to Swords in the same way it is relevant to its admittedly much more traditionally wealthy and upper middle class neighbour. And I say this as a Southsider! BaronNethercross (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2022 (UTC).
 * Hi again, . I would again note that I did not remove the item, but took it out from the lead section, and re-sited it deeper in. I do not think that the lede for every major suburb and town should include a wealth-related comment, this should only appear for the most prominent, for places which are partly notable *because* of their wealth (we've actually had that discussion) - or for those most notable for pervasive deprivation. Malahide (and Clontarf, Killiney, Dalkey, Foxrock, say) are such places when it comes to affluence. Swords is not - it is, as you say, middle class, with some upper working class areas - and in this respect, it is in there with a considerable number of other districts. Coming from the Southside, would you include a comment on the relative wealth of Rathfarnham, for example? Yet it is probably higher than that of Swords.
 * I do not in any way dispute the Times' material, but it is not original research to apply context, and the context here is that there is simply not a source which validly compares the Suburbs of Dublin by affluence, partly because the CSO don't routinely collect and publish data that way.
 * In conclusion, I would simply not have such a comment in the Swords lede, but would see it as appropriate for Malahide - but to avoid confusion, perhaps the statement for Malahide needs a more focused citation - I can work on that. SeoR (talk) 18:48, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . I think I'm just enjoying discussing it! I take your point. When I came across the article at the time, I was struck by the town's "social mobility" (if that can be applied to a town). I worked in Swords briefly in the 1990s and the pace of change there always struck me when I'd have reason to go back. It seems to be a town that itself has climbed its way up through the classes. So I thought that in itself was noteworthy. But I couldn't say that, as it's both opinion and original research, if I tried to synthesise sources to prove it. As per your point, Swords is, in the truest sense, a town. It has one area in which some houses passed the one million Euro mark during the boom (I think they are down to the mid 600k mark now, though.) and other areas that are classic Dublin-region council estates. But you are right, it is not a Dalkey, but neither is it a deprived area. Happy to leave everything as it is, and glad to have discussed. Happy Saturday! BaronNethercross (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2022 (UTC).
 * I fully agree,, on both. It's a worthwhile debate, especially as things do change - and it highlighted that the point with regard to some areas may need better referencing. And yes, I agree that Swords has come a long way, while still retaining a "proper town" feel. In this respect (I am familiar with both), it outperformed the other residual Co. Dub. town, Dun Laoghaire, which has sadly "shrunk", though it retains high average wealth in its broad definition. Have a good rest-of-weekend! And nice work on the mini-galleries, a good solution to overload of images (I like to see a good set of photos, to give a broad impression of an area, but they can end up breaking up the text). SeoR (talk) 19:10, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

English and Irish university funding
Hi, I tried to find out what the state or loan funding per student is in English and Irish universities. In 2019 it seems the amounts were £9,250 in England and "almost €5,000" in Ireland based on an Oireachtas report. English universities also recruit large numbers of overseas students who pay higher fees. It is no wonder that TCD struggles to balance its books. TSventon (talk) 12:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Linda Doyle
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That came a little suddenly, on the one day I was away lately, but glad to hear. SeoR (talk) 18:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * If you want to track when a DYK is going to appear, you can keep an eye on Template:Did you know/Queue. Of course it may still come on the one day you are away. TSventon (talk) 12:19, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was doing that but then had a work-away day, and usually they spend 2-3 days in a queue, but in this case it was listed at 11:02 to a queue which went live 58 minutes later. But there was a good reason - Wome in STEM Day, a UN event, a great fit for the topic. SeoR (talk) 13:17, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Eeva Leinonen
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March editathons
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Federal Reserve
The change that you reverted was discussed on the article's talk page and the conclusion was to allow it. Would you please restore the change? 67.180.143.89 (talk) 15:31, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Charles Butler, Earl of Arran
Dear SeoR. First of all I wanted to thank you for the many ratings you have done on articles in which I was involved. You are doing a great job and you seem to be the only one who rates Irish articles below GA. To be rated and see an article rise from humble stub through Start and C to B is a huge encouragement for the editors, especially the newbies and still unexperienced ones (like me), who add and improve content. Thank you so very much!

May I ask you advice on another matter concerning Irish articles: the correct English variety. MOS:TIES tells us "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the (formal, not colloquial) English of that nation." I would think that most of the articles marked WikiProject Ireland fall into that category. I have noticed that you recently (on 6 January 2022) changed the English variety of the article Charles Butler, 1st Earl of Arran from Use British English to Use Hiberno-English. I must admit that the difference between British English and Hiberno-English when writing in Wikipedia is beyond me. My English is 2nd language. I am quite confused about this issue of the engVar of Irish articles. Many articles have no Engvar tag, others have one of the following five: Use British English, Use Irish English, Use Hiberno-English, Use Oxford spelling, EngvarB. I understand that Use Irish English is deprecated and replaced with Use Hiberno-English.

I often edit and sometimes review Irish articles. What should I do?
 * 1) When editing an Irish article tagged with Use Irish English, I replace it with Use Hiberno-English
 * 2) When editing an Irish article tagged with Use Hiberno-English, Use British English, Use Oxford spelling, or EngvarB, I leave that tag alone
 * 3) When editing an Irish article that has no engvar tag, I add Use Hiberno-English
 * 4) When reviewing an Irish article tagged with Use Irish English, I ask the nominator to replace it with Use Hiberno-English
 * 5) When reviewing an Irish article tagged with Use Hiberno-English, Use British English, Use Oxford spelling, or EngvarB, I do not discuss that tag (or must it be changed to Hiberno-English to pass lets say GA?)
 * 6) When reviewing an Irish article that has no engvar tag, I ask the nominator to add a tag chosen from Use Hiberno-English, Use British English, Use Oxford spelling, or EngvarB, if they ask for advise, I recommend Use Hiberno-English (or must it be Hiberno-English?).

With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, and thanks for the kind words. The assessment side of the project is an important one, and I've been involved since our first big push, about 15 years ago, and I am delighted to hear that it helps. It is also a real pleasure to be able to watch an article develop, and maybe contribute a bit. We are currently on the last phase, assessing remaining stubs, while handling new material.
 * On language variants, it's a little delicate at times. But the default for strongly Irish-related articles should be Hiberno-English. This is the Irish English variant renamed (the renaming was poorly notified and debated, and the name may reverse at some time, but it's not important, whichever name is used, the article ends up in the same pool). Oxford (aka "British International") spelling is a variant of British English, and I would suggest should not be used unless there is a specific reason (it's the variant with z instead of s in certain words). So that leaves British English and EngvarB. The former should be used for cases where the British linkage is stronger than the Irish, especially in the notable part of the life or topic, and the latter is a valid option, sometimes used by people who want to avoid the political issues of British vs Irish.
 * I think your model looks well. I would not consider any tag issue a failure point. I do think it's better that there is a lang. var. template, and will almost always act on this if there is none (as for date format), and it is also better if the current template name is used (so Hiberno-Irish is better than Irish English). For the rest, I will sometimes (very rarely) change the tag if it seems clearly sub-optimal.
 * Great to hear from you, and best of luck with the ongoing work. SeoR (talk) 23:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

April Editathons from Women in Red
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Combermere School AfD
I apologize for the hostility I exhibited toward you in the Combermere School AfD. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:45, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, apology accepted. We all have moments and diverse motivations, and you have perhaps had issues with secondary school articles before.  I think it is important to keep things non-personal but we're all only human.  To be fair to creators and defenders of school articles, there was a time when the notability of second level schools (not primary or, where applicable, middle) was not a big issue, but we changed the rules, and many articles are now on shaky ground.  But a school which has survived 300+ years, and educated many key figures in a territory / country, is not likely to be on such ground, and the more so when we start hitting texts about it.  I fear my wording in a remark led you to a certain conclusion, but as I noted I did first check a review of the book (and then ordered a copy but in fairness this is not something everyone would have a chance to do).  Finally, apologies about the late reply - I was suddenly called away for work, with little access for over 2.5 days.  See you around, perhaps in article remediation or creation (I'm trying to do more of that myself the last year or so). SeoR (talk) 23:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, I really appreciate it - and I do love the symbol (and a good cup of tea). I wish I could have found a way to help the other editor further, and I did provide page-specific notes when asked, but I fear there was some basic misunderstanding.  In the end, an article on an appropriate topic is retained, and all involved learned new things, and I hope the project gained.  I will treasure the barnstar. SeoR (talk) 00:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Regarding accepted edits
Hi SeoR, I noticed that you accepted some edits on the page Fatima Jinnah (see Review log). The first set of changes that you reviewed and approved of is actually a work of vandalism, that added unfounded & unsourced hoax material. This same material has been consistently added by IP editors for many years now despite being reverted often. If you ever come across pending changes on this article, please make sure that they don't contain additions similar to those you had mistakenly reviewed. Thanks! ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 18:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh dear - sorry, I've done quite a bit of Pending Changes and don't often get caught out. I will study the error and make sure I do not get caught again.  Thanks for the heads-up, SeoR (talk) 15:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – May 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2022).

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June events from Women in Red
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Administrators' newsletter – June 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).

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Would you like to review this?
I've had a look at Draft:Permanent Pictorial Cancellations of India. I cannot find anything substantial about the topic itself other than this from which the first sentence is a copyvio. Several of the links don't even work and all they do is list the cancellations; none discuss the topic to give it notability. Other source searches appear to all be blogs or discussion boards, so can be discounted, or links to the one source site. I'm not a reviewer but see you are one so perhaps you can give the second review the once over. Since it was declined, some edits have been made but mostly adding images but I don't see anything to improve its notability. Thanks in advance. ww2censor (talk) 22:20, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, sure, happy to take a look. I'm no expert, only a basic collector once upon a time, but I understand the context, and that link you mention, while interesting, is not a clear reliable source ("official website of a philately forum" or not), and if that's all... Glad to exercise my AFC role, recently begun and with instructions recently thoroughly studied. SeoR (talk) 23:31, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I did not realise you were a newbie at reviewing but thanks. I think you made the right choice. ww2censor (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, new to AfC, but on the other hand I've been reviewing articles for many years, back to my first Wiki phase, over 7k handled by now, and doing pending changes reviews for a couple of years (that's another 1.8k, I think), so this is nothing very new, just wanted to add to one of the other formal projects within - while I struggle with the last 3k IrlProj items, mostly from a few narrow themes (I see Sarah777 on the same theme above - this last bloc is hard going). And this a clear case, yes. SeoR (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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Stubs and Starts
Hi Seo. I'd like to discuss a re-rating you did recently on the article Whitechurch, Dublin. For many years based on the guidance of BHG I've been distinguishing "stubs" from "starts". This article has referenced text (albeit minimal), an infobox and photos. Per the guidance I'm working under the Whitechurch article is a start. I'm bringing this up because based on your re-assessment in this case you could well revert hundreds of my ratings! Sarah777 (talk) 00:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @Sarah777: Thanks for the ping.
 * I took a quick peek at Whitechurch, Dublin. It has a photo, and an infobox, and a ref.
 * However, it has only one ref, which isn't good, and DYKcheck finds that it has only 758 characters (127 words). That's half of the 1,500 character minimum to satisfy WP:DYK's no-stubs rule at WP:DYKCRIT 2a.
 * So by some definitions it's stub-class, and by others it is a start-class.
 * Personally, I'd say toss a coin ... or better still leave the assessment as it is, and put any energy into expanding the article from referenced reliable sources.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:11, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and, an honour and a pleasure to hear from you. This is a tricky border, yes, and I often wonder myself. And as all three of us have thousands of ratings under our belts, it’s useful to try to clarify. That said, by default I am tending to leave ratings stand unless they clearly are ready to uprate, until we finish the initial rating of all Irish articles, my top priority for the last few years. But in this case I was going a run through all Dublin area articles, and so using some comparison as a yardstick.
 * So … many definitions, and some, such as Encyclopedius, set quite high standards. Others say “anything more than a dictionary definition” but I think we’ve evolved past that. I like the text + photo + infobox concept, but I don’t weigh photo heavily for this distinction myself, for example, as it’s often not available - while infobox is good discipline but limited in a very short piece - so for the Stub border, I focus on content. So I really do feel the 1,500 characters of substantive and non-repeating text is important.
 * As I said, as I pass through the Ireland base, I go for initial and up-rating, so no fear for most of the cases you mention, Sarah. On this specific item, I’ll find a point to add, and restore Start. On with the last couple of thousand initial ratings for WPrj:Ireland. SeoR (talk) 07:25, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Deciding how high to rate is rather a subjective situation and for that reason I seldom rerate Stub or Start articles when I see an assessment has been made by one of our regulars. I'm not so hung up on an infobox and/or photo but more on the prose. Of course an infobox and photo are nice but without sufficient prose articles fail a start-class rating to me. A couple of paragraphs with some decent information is more a start-class but a paragraph of 2 or 3 sentence with nothing substantial is definitely a stub, much as suggests. I've not been so active recently on the assessment front but do watch the new assessments and new articles found here and here. Regards to all from 34º, soon to be 38º by the weekend, and much hotter then County Wicklow last month, though the Wicklow hills ware quite pleasant too. ww2censor (talk) 13:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for joining. I agree, this one was a rare exception, and I have put it back to Start, and I added a little over morning coffee - and someone has added more since. I have a book on Rathfarnham in the attic, and will find it and add more. Always good to have you about, and glad to hear that conditions are good in France but that you also had time for good old Wicklow. And I see we have just 3232 left to rate for Ireland, so I can still hope to see it wrapped up this year. Thanks all for the discussion. SeoR (talk) 20:03, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. There is an over 3k backlog of IrlProj ratings. I was thinking of trying to tackle it and just want to be sure I'm not being too kind to the articles. I'll rate 100 articles on the list which start with "C" and ask for your assessments if that might help? Sarah777 (talk) 23:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The "C" articles appear to have been rated. So I'll go to those articles starting with a "G". Sarah777 (talk) 23:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds great, and good luck ! Yes, I worked through A, B, C, and then I thought, this will take a while, let's go to the other extreme, so I've been working back from Z, and am now in the Rs. I really hope we can wrap up this initial rating drive this year. I agree that we need that balance - not too kind, but also not too demanding, and I think people have often been slow to give out ratings better than Start, which is fact is not a very high bar at all. See you round, SeoR (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Working through the G articles. A bit soul destroying! Between Baronets and other forgotten members of the Irishtocrity - and GAA titans, the number of stubs and, occasionally, starts is humongous. I note that after the original article creation there is usually no article-building. So Tom Murphy, the "notable" player for the Laois hurling team in the 1970s still has no photo, no update, no additions, no sign of any active editing. And that is perhaps 80% of the unclassified IrlProj articles. If you've ever watched It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia this is certainly "Charlie work" ! Sarah777 (talk) 01:21, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I like the image, yes, we're slightly in the "Charlies" corner here (bleak programme that, despite the funny moments) - but having waded through so many thousands already, I just want to help finish the pile. I'm happy for the articles to stay but I do wish that those who leaf through the GAA annuals and such, and the old gazettes, would do a little more, and that IrlProj was a little more balanced, at least a wider range of sports. As for the gentry and friends, the problem is the records of the rest of us are so limited, but still, you're right, the soul just can't take too much of it. Family and work circumstances hit me for a few months there, but if this stuff were less tedious, I might have managed to keep my hand in a little more. The mood's back this month, and family and work allow a bit, so I'm really hoping for (small milestone) under 3k to go by 30 June, but I'm also trying to widen my range, AfC, some photo-taking, etc. Great to have you working this too. Maybe end-2022 we see this one off? Keep it coming... SeoR (talk) 15:18, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * And now <3k articles to go... with a new day to tackle that :-) SeoR (talk) 23:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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Rating
Have a look at James Crosbie (Kerry politician). Like hundreds of other articles in this and "baronets" type- there is no infobox, but there is a table below the article which may serve as an infobox?? I had been asking for infoboxes on these articles but now stopped doing so. Any views? Sarah777 (talk) 18:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Here is an article that contains both the table below the article and an infobox, James Duff, 5th Earl Fife Sarah777 (talk) 18:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * ps - I like this "add topic" thingy you have on this page! Sarah777 (talk) 18:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually the infobox and table do not exclude each other, both should be there, so I would continue to tag article as needing an infobox when assessing article. BTW, the "add topic thingy" is Template:Talk header so you can add it yourself. ww2censor (talk) 11:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks , I'd agree, we should ideally have both, per your second example. Infoboxes have a different purpose, and while opinion is divided, I think they're more useful than not. I think most, but not at all all, articles, can use one. Great advances in the article reviews, nice to see, I'm doing my bit between trips. I really want to do some photos soon too, but at least I see we can close "first project rating for every article" this year. And yes, "add Topic" is a nice feature, I think it makes the page more useable. See you 'round, SeoR (talk) 12:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice, guys. I'll continue to look for "proper" infoboxes. Sarah777 (talk) 21:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Seamus Puirseil
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Infoboxes II
Hi - check out John Hobart Caradoc, 2nd Baron_Howden. I said it needs an "infobox" but it has a photo and a brief caption in the infobox position. Shouldn't an infobox relate to a class or series of articles? Any thoughts? Sarah777 (talk) 16:24, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry, a couple of days travelling. Very interesting example - someone's made a sort of "infobox-lite" with picture + caption. I'd still say an Infobox (type: person) would suit better. I do think infoboxes are best when characterised by types, yes, and I get why some find them optional, but I think they do serve a purpose. In this case, the picture and info will fit nicely into any future infobox. Fantastic clearance you've been doing there, and between all, the 2k to go mark in sight already! SeoR (talk) 23:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Seo. We've gone below 2k now - Ww is doing a lot also, in fact, we briefly overlapped! Sarah777 (talk) 09:44, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, now we're all going strong, very nice. I missed a few days, will try to catch up a bit today. SeoR (talk) 16:09, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Back later, but I think I've now got past 250 for the month, and 'Censor must be dozens or more, so with an improvement of over 1,100 in the numbers during July, does that mean you're in there for 800+? At this speed, first complete rating set by end-September?? SeoR (talk) 16:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll try - It is a wee bit tedious. But nothing like a clear goal to motivate! Sarah777 (talk) 22:28, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Different class?
Talk:Donegal North-East (Dáil constituency) Is this an "A"? Sarah777 (talk) 15:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No. It's not even a "B", to my mind. Moderate text, nice tables, maybe a C. And anyway, WProj Ireland does not apply "A", so for us, the best we can issue is "B". An odd case. SeoR (talk) 16:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. I've dialled it back a bit - to C. Also question the "importance" as "mid"? Sarah777 (talk) 22:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I note Talk:Cork City North-West (Dáil constituency) is classed as a list. Is that a better solution? Still a "mid". Do we need a standard IrlProj policy for Dail constituencies? Sarah777 (talk) 22:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I really think we do - and for a number of other groups, like populated areas (where we have examples but need to be more comprehensive). I am quite sure that most to all constituencies are Low - as I always say to editors who query, Low still means "notable" and that's enough for most topics.  Mid should really have some weight, and I'd prune Top from a few too (High may be about right in volume, though it could be evened out). SeoR (talk) 22:42, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * On the list point, I'd say that right now, could be a valid answer, but should not be - this type of article should be substantive, not just a bunch of tables. SeoR (talk) 22:44, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree totally. And just thinking - if IrlProj doesn't give "A" ratings - Donegal North-East (Dáil constituency) was the only one - is there a way that class can be removed from the table? It implies to an editor that "A" is an option.Sarah777 (talk) 22:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * :-), and I've often thought that about the table, but I don't think it's easily done technically. And maybe we should revisit the point, when all ratings are done, either to have "A" as an alternative to overloaded GA, or to launch a new drive for more GAs... SeoR (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. Let's complete the Charlie work first! Sarah777 (talk) 22:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2022).



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 * An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
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 * The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
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Arbitration
 * The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

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 * Wikimania 2022 is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed here. There are also a number of in-person events associated with Wikimania around the world.
 * Tech tip: When revision-deleting on desktop, hold between clicking two checkboxes to select every box in that range.

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2022).

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 * A discussion is open to define a process by which Vector 2022 can be made the default for all users.
 * An RfC is open to gain consensus on whether Fox News is reliable for science and politics.

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 * The impact report on the effects of disabling IP editing on the Persian (Farsi) Wikipedia has been released.
 * The WMF is looking into making a Private Incident Reporting System (PIRS) system to improve the reporting of harmful incidents through easier and safer reporting. You can leave comments on the talk page by answering the questions provided. Users who have faced harmful situations are also invited to join a PIRS interview to share the experience. To sign up please email Madalina Ana.

Arbitration
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 * The arbitration case request Jonathunder has been automatically closed after a 6 month suspension of the case.

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Board of Trustees election
Thank you for supporting the NPP initiative to improve WMF support of the Page Curation tools. Another way you can help is by voting in the Board of Trustees election. The next Board composition might be giving attention to software development. The election closes on 6 September at 23:59 UTC. View candidate statement videos and Vote Here. MB 04:07, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Technical question
Since about a week ago when I make an edit I get a two-stage process rather than a one-stage. The option to "Publish changes" used to come up with the ability to comment on your edit on the same page; then click "Publish" and that's it.

Now I must click "Publish" and them another page appears asking for an edit summary. This is a pain-in-the-neck for someone who always makes an edit summary and is trying to go through the categorization process at some speed.

My question is: is this some new Wiki-change or have I inadvertently changed some setting in my own account? Sarah777 (talk) 00:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi! It sounds like an inadvertent change, maybe something that was optional / on test now being set as basic for all. For me, that happened before only if I missed the edit summary - I had the setting "Prompt if edit summary missing" switched on to make this happen (I also really hate to miss out on a summary). Then there was a change some months back, with the big blue "Publish changes" triggering a floating box with the edit summary possibly part-filled (with a section heading, for example), and options at the bottom to "Review your changes" and "Preview" and a copy of "Publish changes" at the top right - basically something helpful but each added button push does add up when doing mass Charlie work. I suspect this change caught up with you... I think the logic was something along the lines of "make it easier for people to choose review vs push the content out, without rushing to publish" (some other language wikis insist on preview before committing content but we did not go that far). SeoR (talk) 08:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Lillington UCD
Yup, she was there 1984/85. No idea why she has never mentioned it (or concealed it), as the UCD M.Phil was a two-year course. She's always emphasised the 'Trinity' thing and avoided any mention of UCD. Don't know why - so "a source" may be difficult to find. However, UCD should be able to confirm for you that she graduated there in 1985. I know people who were there with her at the time. 86.160.1.127 (talk) 21:29, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for the information. I will look into it, for completeness, but as this was nearly 40 years ago, sources may be lacking. SeoR (talk) 23:41, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

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