User talk:Sephia karta/Republic of Abkhazia

"Republic" of Abkhazia
What is the point of this POV article? It is the redundant article which actually deceives the reader and presents a strong POV. I see this article as a sign of unconstructive and disruptive work which you implement on Wikipedia for much disputed topic. This will lead into edit wars, conflict and eventual involvement of mediators and article for deletion voting. Also your version Abkhazian Autonomous Republic is another redundancy and controversy. Im not sure why you intentionally disturb the balance on Abkhazia article. Anyway, before you even publish it, Im disputing its content, intention and will involve mediators to prevent POV pushing articles such as this on Wikipedia. I would have been better if we all worked together however you have different plans as i see. Ldingley 21:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * These three articles in my user space are initial drafts for some changes I had in mind to the current set-up. The current article on Abkhazia is (too) long and it doesn't distinguish between the disputed region of Abkhazia and the self-declared de facto independent entity which calls itself Republic of Abkhazia. All I managed to do until now was to fill in info boxes, add disambiguation messages and roughly distribute some of the sections. These drafts are not finished, and I intended and intend to first present my designs on the Abkhazia talk page before implementing the changes.
 * I don't intend to change much of the actual text, that would only complicate matters now. I ask of you that you assume good faith, I only wish to improve NPOVness and clarity. It may turn out that we disagree about what constitutes NPOVness, but we should give ourselves the chance to try to come to an understanding. sephia karta 23:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I give you a head up on this, it will cause dispute and redundancy. Why should we have 3 Abkhazia articles? Also why are you so focused on Abkhazian separatist cause? How about creating Nagorno-Karabakh Autnomous Republic article and also Republic of Artsakh? You will see how much opposition you will get and how redundant it will be to the main article. What is your true intention by doing so? Sure, I will definitely assume good faith and will work constructively. The only thing i hope is that you do the same for the disputed region of inhabitants of that region. Ldingley 23:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Why do we have seperate articles on Georgia, the Georgian SSR and the Democratic Republic of Georgia? Why do we have seperate articles on the Western Sahara and the SADR? Why is there currently already a seperate article on the De-Jure Government of Abkhazia? Because these are all seperate entities and as such they require seperate articles. sephia karta 23:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Err... The Georgian SSR and the DRG articles are about historic states, and the main Georgia article summarizes everything related to the country. There are no contradictions among these entries. In the case of Abkhazia, the split is unwarranted. How are you going to seprate the histories of the de jure and de facto Abkhazia? Are going to start the history of de facto republic since its "declaration of independence" in 1992? Then how can the reader understand what had happened before that? If you are going to focus on politics, then we have separate articles on the de facto and de jure governments. IMO, the whole information can be better organized in the sections and the corresponding main articles without having the hitherto more or less stable article fragmentized. We have the Politics of Abkhazia, De facto Government of Abkhazia, and De jure Government of Abkhazia articles where all current political contradictions can be represented.


 * You can, of course, develop these drafts in your userspace, but I'm afraid the split won't get enough support. Finally, we usually hold a vote when introducing such a major change as unilateral decisions are unacceptable. Thanks, --KoberTalk 04:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Good job
I think it is a good idea to split the excessively congested Abkhazia article. Don't be discouraged by the objections of certain users, who're quick to label anything insulting their political sympathies as POV. Should it come to voting, please let me know, so I can summon more people to participate. That would ensure that the situations like the recent and unfortunate deletion of the Abkhazia stub template, which occurred only because so few people knew about the voting, is not repeated. Óðinn 06:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Summon more people? heh... This is normally qualified as "spamming" on Wikipedia. It will only lead to the cancellation of their votes (please consult current Wiki guidlines). The poll will be held on the Abkhazia talk page and all interested users will be able to take part in it. Don't warry about it.--KoberTalk 06:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like to see you try getting to cancel the votes of the established users of the English WP. Really, I do... Óðinn 06:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I never said that I was going to cancel their votes. Please reread my post and consult the Wikipedia guidlines. The voting process on the article's talk page will draw the attention of interested users without your efforts at calling others to arms.--KoberTalk 07:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It might amaze you, but not everyone interested in Abkhazia checks its talk page regularly. I'll just make sure that those users are aware of the voting when the time comes.Óðinn 07:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Óðinn you violate Wikipedia guidelines for calling people to vote, so watch out next time. This issue will be addressed with AdministratorsLdingley 15:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Would you please go and pester someone else with your threats and accusations? Thanks in advance. Óðinn 20:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Any time :) Im not threatening, just concerned :) Ldingley 21:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)