User talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao/Archive 1

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U.S. politicians
Hello and welcome again to Wikipedia. You are doing great work. I see that you have been writing articles about American politicians, which is one of my main interests. When you write articles, particularly about U.S. poiticians, you should go to the pages for their names with their middle initials and their middle names and redirect those pages to your article. For example, I redirected Carl A. Hatch and Carl Atwood Hatch to Carl Hatch. This is necessary because often politicians will have pages linking to them under all three diferent names. If you have any questions about this, ask me on my talk page. Academic Challenger 21:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Autoblocking issues
- I hate to be a bear, but I've been autoblocked because someone has a similar IP to mine, and his username's been deemed insulting. Any way I can get out from behind this? Here's the message I've been getting:

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". Your IP address is 207.69.138.12.  --AlbertHerring 17:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed one autoblock. Having said that you could get hit again.  Do try to edit and if it fails let me know by a message here and I'll do what I can. --Tony Sidaway 16:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot - right now, it hasn't been too terribly frequent, so I'm hoping that there's no further trouble. --AlbertHerring 17:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You're sharing an IP range with someone who is still occasionally logging in using that account. When he does that certain activities he does, not limited to editing, trip a twenty-four hour autoblock on the IP he's using, and if you should happen to use that IP number in the next twenty-four hours, you'll hit the block message.  --Tony Sidaway 18:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I was afraid of that - again, thanks for taking care of the problem. --AlbertHerring 18:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Bishop Roger de Beaumont
Regarding your attempted move of Bishop Roger de Beaumont to Roger de Beaumont (bishop), cutting and pasting the text - thereby eliminating the page's edit history - is not an option. I reverted you. If you still wish to move the page to Roger de Beaumont (bishop), you'll need to ask an admin to do it, because your actions have prevented this being possible for ordinary users. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 01:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks - sorry about that. I'm still getting my sea legs around these parts. Would it be appropriate to suggest the move, do you think? I'm most concerned about orthography. --AlbertHerring 01:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, moving it to Roger de Beaumont (bishop) is fine by me; it was either that, or Bishop Roger de Beaumont. I didn't want to do Roger de Beaumont, Bishop of St. Andrews, because no other Scottish bishops (few other bishops in fact) have this titling form. You just need to ask an admin to move it for you, because Roger de Beaumont (bishop) now has a page history which has to be "disappeared". Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 02:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Understood - now, to find an admin...

Thanks very much for your help. --AlbertHerring 07:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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Xosroviduxt
That entry in Norton/Grove Dictionary of Women Composers is almost completely wrong. See the article's talk page for the true Xosroviduxt. Can you update the article with this new content? &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2006-06-20 11:56


 * Done, and done. Thanks for bringing the stuff to my attention. --AlbertHerring 17:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Combining my old accounts with this one
I used to use the accounts "JonesPoint "Boccherini's Guitar|Boccherini's Guitar", but somehow managed to forget the passwords to both of them. Is there any way I can combine the edit histories from those accounts with this one? --AlbertHerring 18:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The Little Black Boy
Thanks for your edits on The Little Black Boy. I can't believe I capitalized the "m" in mother. Heh. Anything else that you see fit to change, please go ahead. I just joined Wikipedia, so I'm pretty unstable when it comes to syntax, etc. Vancar 20:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I know how it goes - a friend of mine used to call moments like those "brain farts". Lord knows I've had more than my fair share... --AlbertHerring 06:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Haha. Indeed. I also remember noticing that the article didn't exist when it was like... 4 am >.> So, I have an excuse. Hah. Vancar 05:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

 * Thank you, wonderful article, and very enjoyable to read. AnonEMouse (squeak) 12:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Another DYK!
Thanks for the great contributions -- Samir  धर्म 09:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Autoblocking issues, part the second
I'm getting autoblocked again; this time I'm getting the following message: Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Wikibofh for the following reason (see our blocking policy): Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Armking". The reason given for Armking's block is: "indefinite: vandalism only account". Your IP address is 207.69.137.9. I wouldn't comment, only it's happened a couple of times in the past couple of days, and both times I've gotten the above message. Sorry to be a trouble. --AlbertHerring 19:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe I have unblocked you. If you have any troubles please contact me abakharev 01:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Mykola Ovsianiko-Kulikovsky, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  + +Lar: t/c 17:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Russian painters
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Siwanoy
I very nearly just reverted it, but first I wanted to ask here. Why did you remove the links on the dates in order to create a specifically United States date format? Isn't this analogous to those who change American English spelling to British English spelling and back in an endless war of format? Satyadasa 05:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

My apologies - I was simply following a format which I've seen elsewhere on the site, and trying to make things uniform. --AlbertHerring 06:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

What is a stub?
You might want to exercise a little more discretion about applying stub templates to articles. While, there has never been a definition of stub that satisfied everyone, I think most editors would agree that an article about a simple thing (like a light house) with more than a paragraph or two is not really a stub. The "classic" understanding of a WP:stub is an article consisting only enough information to identify the subject and some aspect of its encyclopedic significance. For example, "George Washington was the first president of the United States." would clearly be a stub. Articles that include several significant details about a subject are generally not considered stubs, even though there may be much more that could be said about the subject. If you want to mark such articles for a project to work on developing and expanding, you should use a project-specific template on the article's talk page. older ≠ wiser 21:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I just happened to notice you adding the lighthouse stub template to previously unstubbed articles.  . It looked to me as though you were simply working through a category or list article and stubbing everything. To do lists and reminders for project-type work can be managed with talk page templates. For example, one that I've noticed recently, the  has a parameter for "map needed", which places the talk page into Category:River articles needing maps. older ≠ wiser 21:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology
Since you are interested in flags and emblems I would like to inform you that the WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join. Inge 21:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Governors Island
I noticed that you had tried to clean up the Governors Island article a while back. The same biased "legacy" section continues to return... only now with links to an outside "foundation" pushing its agenda for the island. The legacy section is clearly being used to support a non-neutral POV by lending credibility to this "foundation"'s views. Any support in straightening this thing out would be appreciated. I'm not familiar enough with wikipedia procedure to engage in much more than pointless reversions. Johnichiban 17:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I've offered an alternative proposal for dealing with the "legacy" section on the article's discussion page. (though I haven't actually submitted an alternate section for the actual article, my bad.)  Hopefully this show that we've at least TRIED to reach consensus.  Failing that, I think an RFC submission would do some good.  I don't think the questionable section would stand up to much scrutiny at this point. I just hope that DeKoning doesn't have anything to say about Michigan... --Johnichiban 19:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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G&S
Hi there. Thanks for your contributions today. If you have an interest in G&S, check out WP:G&S. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 06:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Current DYK nomination
Out of curiosity, which article have you nominated in the thing about Harriet Everard? There doesn't seem to be an article on the woman herself, and everything else is a pre-existing article. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 20:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar!
Lucky 6.9 06:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Glad to do it. I have a "coffee table" book with some rather interesting entries. In fact, your entries reminded me of the fact and I do believe I'll be following suit. Have fun! - Lucky 6.9 06:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Utopia, Limited
I've tweaked all the images, and removed a few (too many?). See what you think? Vanished user talk 20:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Trouble with the poster image is that it's so wide, and so detailed - it's kind of awkward to fit in, but too nice and too historically important not to do SOMETHING with.

By the way, on Nancy McIntosh - given that after Utopia Sullivan outright refused to set anything with Nancy in it, we can probably say with certainty that it deepened the rift. There's Gilbert, with the lass who'd become his adopted daughter - and Sullivan railing against her... Vanished user talk 21:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the Heritage books, but they sound useful - just be careful when quoting about copyright/fair use: Source matters to copyright. Still, you should be able to use any information you find freely and to great effect! Vanished user talk 21:04, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Aye, Trouble with that poster is the dimensions - it's several times wider than tall. If it was the other way around, it'd be easy. Vanished user talk 21:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As a thought, what if we moved it to the BOTTOM of the article? Better fit? Or not enough colour up near the top? Vanished user talk 21:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

As to Nancy, I WOULD like to bring her in to the W. S. Gilbert article more fully - she becomes so important to his history from Utopia on - one of the reasons Sullivan rejected His Excellency, the Fallen Fairies disaster that largely scuppered plans to revive Gilbert's non-Sullivan works, and so on... It's the article's major omission at present. Sadly, University doesn't gve me the time I'd like to work on it.

Hmm. Albert Herring - Benjamin Britten fan, are you? Vanished user talk 21:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Britten's one of the composers where I've adored everything I've heard of him, but, given my student budget, haven't had much chance to hear all that much. Think I'll grab some of his stuff when my student loan comes in. What d'ye think? Billy Budd, Peter Grimes, or Albert Herring? By the by, had an idea about the poster - what d'ye think of it there? Vanished user talk 21:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll put in an order to the shop that gives a 10% discount to students, and see what I can get! Thanks! Vanished user talk 21:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Talbot; Everard
Thanks for putting up this great page. Can you add page references after the block quotes, like (Allen, p. 24)? I think that's all you need. Also, don't you need to add the name Reginald Allen to the reference? Or is it a different reference. For Reginald Allen, you can use:



(Although since you have the earlier version, it appears, you would change the year ref.) -- Ssilvers 01:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Funny, your Everard article is getting more attention from Wikipedia editors than any of the dozens of Savoyards, except maybe Grossmith. Maybe because of the Did you Know item.  :-)  -- Ssilvers 17:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The Grand Duke
Thanks for the poster image. It's practically THE symbol for the opera. My voice professor even has a coaster of it she bought at the Met, even though they've probably never performed it and she hadn't heard of it. I've been waiting for someone to put that thing up. I have a copy in a book, but it was black and white. --Anivron 07:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Albanian composer substubs
I noticed that you've made a number of one sentence pages recently, of the form "X was an Albanian composer". Sadly, this is too minimal even for Wikipedia. Unless you demostrate notability (i.e. multiple, non-trivial, independent sources), the articles will have to be deleted. If you'd like to work on them, you can create user subpages to store them until they are ready to be moved to the article namespace. Just a pointer. Thanks for all your other good work! JesseW, the juggling janitor 08:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

H.C. Matthew Sim
Hi! Just wanted to inform you that I've removed the db-bio tag on this article due to it meeting "Published authors, editors and photographers who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work." I haven't verified if the claims are true by searching the web but I am assuming good faith. If he did get a book published by Prentice Hall, then I'm almost quite sure that it is a good book. zephyr2k 01:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That happens to me too. Good move on the wikification tag.  Well, happy editing!  zephyr2k  01:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

About My Recent Add
It was a comedy thing, if you wish, I can put it on my talk page (or you can). It's for another site. I knew it would be sited, but I did it for the fans.

Utopia Images
I just clicked on the red lettering where the images used to be, and it took me to a page that is asking you to prove that they are public domain. -- Ssilvers 05:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Any luck with getting the images reinstated? Regards, -- Ssilvers 04:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

W.S.Gilbert
Could you possibly have a look over the article? Trying to push it up to GA class, then FA. Think it has a chance at GA at present. Vanished user talk 16:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I hae a 1908 copy of the Bab Ballads, which also includes several songs from G&S operas, plus His Excellency and Mountebanks. Sadly, the Utiopian ones - of which there are many - have little to do with the opera. Some good ones for Mountebanks, Grand Duke, Ruddigore, Pinafore, etc, though. I'll scan and add my favourite. Vanished user talk 17:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

See H.M.S. Pinafore and Bab Ballads - PLENTY more where those came from. Any Bab Ballads you're particularly fond of for the W.S.Gilbert article? I'll grab the best illustration(s) from the set. Vanished user talk 17:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Those Utopia Images
Deletion review/Log/2006 October 13 Vanished user talk 18:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather not use clip art from there until it's decided in our favour - which it ought to be. If there's a problem, a quick request to Paul (Howarth, the administrator) to clarify copyright status of the site may help. Vanished user talk 18:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

...Also, my book has the revised drawings, that site has the older ones. I like some of the newer ones better. Vanished user talk 18:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

On a completely unrelated subject, seen the new section on the G&S Archive? Vice Trimumphant is by far the best of the three plot-wise, but have to love those Bab drawings in the Comic Mythologist! ...Um... Use those Comic Mythologist illustrations freely. I mean, if anyone challenges it, I think I can pretty easily point out a very relevant fact about who contributed 'em. Vanished user talk 18:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

W.S. Gilbert again
Could you lend me a hand with the blurbs for the Selected Works at the bottom of the page? Vanished user talk 20:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, Sam replied on my talkpage to a question by you: ''Stedman says the baby abduction story is likely either greatly exaggerated or an entirely made-up story told by G.'s parents. -- Ssilvers 20:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)'' Vanished user talk 20:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool old car stuff!
Well, you did it. :) You inspired me to write one the other day:  Shelter (automobile).  Take a look-see.  Those coffee table books are great! - Lucky 6.9 01:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Funny thing is, I can't find a doggone thing online about the car.  There are some interesting pictures in the book, but I don't think I can legally post scans.  Looks like Wikipedia gets a scoop! - Lucky 6.9 01:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll be looking for it. In the meantime: There's a cool follow-up story in one of the major car mags about a Zagato-bodied 1954 Maserati that spent time here in California, was shipped back to Italy...and walled up in a garage for more than 40 years. Very unique car that's been shipped back here and restored. It kicked butt at the Pebble Beach Concours. Need to pick that 'zine up. - Lucky 6.9 01:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

With all the paint stripped off of it, yet. Still had its yellow-on-black California plates. My poor little '65 Mustang spent about eight years in my garage. Last weekend, I rolled up my sleeves, overhauled the carb, put in a new battery and zowie! It lives! It needs some more work, but I actually drove it up and down my street last week. Nice feeling. More fun this weekend. - Lucky 6.9 02:03, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Pleased to say that the Maser has an aluminum body, so no rust. Just, well, bare aluminum. I still can't figure out for the life of me why someone would strip off the paint. The restored car is done up in a sort of Ferrari red and it's so gorgeous you can't believe it. As for the Mustang, the front cover corroded through in one place and it's pumping coolant right through the hole. Got a bid on eBay just now for a real nice used one with the correct part number. Started it up tonight after work and man, is that poor little car leaking exhaust. It looks like it's ready for a cross-country trip now that it's clean, but is it ever a long way off from that. Time and money will tell. :) - Lucky 6.9 06:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Utopia Images
We have a response: Basically, reupload them, but make sure you set the public domain tag correctly. Vanished user talk 07:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reuploading the images. The last one is not coming up, though?  Regards, -- Ssilvers 17:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The Alexander Taneyev Article
I am part of WikiProject Wikify, and wikified Alexander Taneyev, on which you so kindly put a wikify notice. If you would like to take a look and tell me what you think, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Emmegan 02:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Ernst and boning
Ha! Thanks for your great praise and cheers for the bone!! My Ernst Stavro Blofeld character / Doctor Evil tends to use the word fricking a lot - I hpappened to be starting a village named Frickovce!! As you can see I have a sense of humour lovely to see you have too!! There are too many serious mofos on wikipedia. Well yes the thinf is you look at the main page. You see 1,438,000 articles and you think wow how full is that but this is a tiny fraction of would shuld and could exist. I am going through Slovakia cos I when I started only about 5 cities in the country were covered yet there are several thousand in that country alone. Then there is Hungary and Romania and so on!!! But I don't just create new solid stubs. See Tashilhunpo Monastery William Garwood, Charlotte Burton Leon Moreaux these are some of my better starter articles. All the best and cheers! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Also congratulations on your did you knows you have had more than me I think!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll give the bone to my kitty Mr Bigglesworth my Angora cat to chew on on my user page!!!Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey I see you have alos been doing a great job. Well done. Yeah I am like you I like the Opera and stylish things. I have a big fan of those cool old films and westerns which are in total about 0.005% covered on wikipedia. Shame I don't speak Itlaian but I do speak Spanish. Hasta luego amigo. Me encantado de concerla. Adios. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Your redirect to Ospedale della Pieta
Were you planning to merge the information from the Pio Ospedale article, or just lose it? JackyR | Talk 20:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, one was twice as long and included refs and quotes. The other had neither. I'm not complaining about your choice of article title, but for I'd go with the contents of Pio Ospedale (rephrased, perhaps) - especially since you pasted the ref sources from Pio Ospedale into Ospedale. These refs actually mildly contradict the Ospedale article, saying the Ospedale has been "wrongly described" as a musical academy, so it would be something of a sin to leave to things are they are... :-) JackyR | Talk 20:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Getting there. But

Basically, read §1! JackyR | Talk 21:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * the Ospedale took boys as well as girls (up to puberty), and
 * if you want to claim the Ospedale was a music academy when the ref says it wasn't, you need to state and ref both (unless one ref is so authoritative it obviously falisfies the other), and
 * you've lost the amazing link to baby hatch, which surely has to go in as being mind-blowing that it has a whole history.


 * Oops, where did I put that petard...? :-)
 * Yeah, I'm not sure of the absolute meaning of "wrongly described". With any luck, you'll find more on this when you research for your article on the composer. I suspect the key thing is going to be to track the evolution of the institution, with rough dates, through its different forms. The article is not very clear about whether it's now only a music school or what.
 * Micky White's work in the Ospedale's archives is represented in "Vivaldi's Violins", and may be useful. JackyR | Talk 22:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Smith Flyer
Hi Albert. Could you make it bigger please. It still has a chance on the next round. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 00:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Albert. I'm going to try and propose some changes at WT:DYK to tighten up the length requirements for DYK. eg, these articles are at the short end of the scale which I feel are too short. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Opera corpus
What do you think about my changes there? There's a discussion on the talk page, but I may well be wrong. Vanished user talk 21:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Utopia Images
[http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2005-October/032030.html In short, it's just too big. Halve the dimensions.]
 * Fixed! Vanished user talk 12:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, see the quote I added. Vanished user talk 12:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Topsyturveydom
HELP! My edit looks hideous!!! What to do? Images outside the box? I don't know! Vanished user talk 22:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But it has white blobs annd a sidebar longer than the main text? Vanished user talk 22:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I think I fixed it OK now. -- Ssilvers 22:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've made a few more fixes. What d'ye think? Vanished user talk 00:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Which image? Vanished user talk 01:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't see it. You're not referring to Gilbert's signature, right? Vanished user talk 01:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Arr, it's worth looking into. Problems are rarely isolated. Coul d you give me a screenshot?Vanished user talk 01:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you use a particlularly large font or small browser window? It's a valifd problem, but... Vanished user talk 01:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added in some discretionary thyphens. Does that help? Vanished user talk 01:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Guy Rubino
Oops, thanks for changing the case of the last name so quickly! :-) -- dockingman Talk 03:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)