User talk:SerendipitousMC

Must be neutral!
I removed part of the synopsis you added for Gabriel's Inferno. The entire section does sort of need to be re-written, but the last part was so non-neutral that it came across as being promotional in tone. I also have to ask... is any of that directly taken from the book jacket or another source? If it is, then it has to be removed because it'd be copyvio and we can't use it. If it's your own work then that's good, but you need to tone down the non-neutral writing. It's definitely better than what I wrote, but it'd be very easy for someone to come along and tag the article as being an advertisement for the book because it reads like something you'd find on a book jacket or in a press release to advertise the book. It absolutely must be neutrally written and it must not read like it is something pulled off of a fan site.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 15:46, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

None of what I wrote was taken from any promotional material for the book. I wrote it myself for Wikipedia. The most recent revisions you made seem fine. The previous summary was very lacking, so I wanted to add more description.

I hope you are able to view this response. To be honest, the directions for talk are very difficult to understand for someone who isn't very well versed in code.

Thank you for your help with this.

SerendipitousMC (talk) 17:04, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You wrote that yourself? Dang... if you're not a professional writer then you should be!Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   12:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * laughing* Thank you! I used to be a journalist, and I still write for fun.

Thanks again for your help with this.

SerendipitousMC (talk) 16:28, 26 December 2012 (UTC)SerendipitousMC

I have a question before I make any changes so I don't get yelled at again. ;) What determines the listings for the genres and other links under the "Fan Fiction" box at the bottom of the Gabriel's Inferno page?  I'm referring to the box underneath the external links for Sylvain Reynard. Not only are many of the categories highly subjective, they don't apply to his books or his writing.

The Wikipedia page makes ample mention of the books' fanfiction origins, but as the story has been rewritten and published as a series (with numerous revisions from the fanfic), a lot of what is listed no longer applies.

SerendipitousMC (talk) 16:28, 26 December 2012 (UTC)SerendipitousMC
 * The reason that his book was added was because it originally started off as a fanfic for Twilight. Since very few fanfiction works have been released as notable mainstream books, we're still at the stage where the prominent fanfic-turned-book works are listed in the fanfic box. Since it's listed under this, I added the box to the bottom of the page. None of the other stuff really pertain to GI specifically, just that it's a more well known thing within fanfiction and as such, would be placed in the navbox for easier searching (and hopefully) to lead more people to view and discover the page. Even if the book is different from its fanfiction origin, the original version of the work was fanfiction and the box is still applicable. It's the same rationale as to why the fanfiction navbox is at the bottom of Fifty Shades of Grey as well as at the bottom of the pages for each of the books mentioned. Even if the current version of the book is not fanfiction, it originally was one and even in its current form it's still a notable work within the fanfiction world.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   20:31, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I've been thinking a lot about this, so here are some additional comments. There are currently at least 100 published novels which have been rewritten from Twilight fanfiction alone. That hardly qualifies as "very few." Also, the subject of this article is "Gabriel's Inferno" in its rewritten, published form. There is ample mention throughout the entry, with links, of the story's Twilight fanfiction roots. In my opinion, the box with the fanfiction categories at the bottom of the page - none of which relate to Gabriel's Inferno - presents itself as the kind of subjective slant you objected to in my original summary of the book. Also, there is nothing about Gabriel's Inferno that deals with femmeslash; why would a search for that term link to this entry? It wouldn't be helpful to any users. It's certainly appropriate for Wikipedia entries *about* fanfiction, but it honestly doesn't make sense to me to include it here.

Also, this story was a fanfiction once. It isn't any more; it's a published book, and that's what this Wikipedia entry refers to. The original fanfiction story has been removed from the two posted sites where it appeared. This is what I mean when I said the heavy references to fanfiction aren't subjective. It's not neutral; it comes off as passing judgment on the book or the process of publishing rewritten fanfiction.

SerendipitousMC (talk) 22:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)SerendipitousMC

January 2013
Hello, I'm Callanecc. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Template:Fan fiction without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)