User talk:Sergecross73/Archive 39

Your thoughts on User:Italiangamer would be appreciated
Hi, Serge. When you get the chance, would you be willing to take a look at this discussion? has been making problematic edits for a while now. I pinged czar there the other day, but he hasn't responded yet. Thanks! — zziccardi ( talk ) 18:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again, . So, I looked it over briefly. Is the current issue with him just that he's updating sales figures with references that aren't formatted? Because that's not really policy breaking - you're not required to format your references. There's no actual problem with the sources or figures he's presenting correct? Sergecross73   msg me  18:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delayed response. There isn't an issue with the sources Italiangamer is using—they're exclusively webpages already present in full citations that have been updated—and the figures have always been accurate as far as I know… I haven't gone through the past few spans of edits yet, but it's been a while since I last saw edit warring like this (relevant discussion) or other obviously policy-breaking edits on my watchlist. Aside from removing and/or breaking full citations and edit warring, my concerns are that Italiangamer has repeatedly ignored various warnings and failed to discuss his or her changes after they were reverted with informative edit summaries by a handful of editors. As I previously said: What I find hard to believe is that someone would spend so much time updating sales information—a helpful task—but simultaneously break citations after being notified about the harm in doing so time and time again. It's frustrating that the user appears to be contributing in good faith but has no qualms about disregarding others and deleting citations, thereby creating more work for everyone else. His or her edits often seem disruptive to me, but whether they're breaking policies and therefore warrant some sort of action I don't know. Thanks, again. — zziccardi ( talk ) 20:04, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * So, is the problem that he doesn't need to update the citations, as the figures are being updated in the citation already given? And its a problem because he updates them with a new citation that goes unformatted? Sergecross73   msg me  20:12, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Right. Here's a recent example. Nintendo updates that page (and similar pages for the Wii U and the like) every three months with the latest sales data; all citation parameters except the date and access date should remain the same, but the editor removes the cite web template and any named references at the same time as he or she updates the figures. It's bizarre, really. — zziccardi ( talk ) 22:32, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts on this, ? To me, this seems like something that falls under the "well, that's irritating, but not really anything I could block him for." (I wonder if this is why opted out in commenting?) Or am I going too soft? Though, I tend to come down on people harder than Salv, so...  Sergecross73   msg me  02:10, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you giving me a reputation as a soft-hearted, permissive admin? Right after I've posted my intentions to maybe run for ArbCom on my talk page? Jeeeeez! ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  02:19, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Bahaha! You've been sabotaged!! (Just kidding, I missed that user page update. If anyone ever reads this, I mean more that, Salv is more likely to believe that repeat offenders that they've changed their ways, whereas I tend to fall more in line of the "people don't change" line of thinking.) Sergecross73   msg me  13:37, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If what you do requires other people to cleanup after you because you're breaking stuff, and you ignore/blank warnings, you're being disruptive. Communication is key and good-faith does not justify destructive editing. If you fix something while breaking something else, it's not constructive editing. Good faith however does warrant escalating warnings, which if left unheeded and the user remains unresponsive, short block, or even better: take to AN/I. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  02:19, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Apologies, zz—the ping got buried because it required more than a quick response. I saw IG on my watchlist. I think this (having a small discussion) was the right way to go. I'd give a warning and if it's ignored (or removed again), I think it's fine to block on disruptive grounds since IG works in batches. I'm not sure when AN/I would be necessary. czar  03:28, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thanks for getting back to us. As an aside, do you have a preference when it comes to the capitalization of your username? — zziccardi ( talk ) 04:03, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No preference as long as it sends a ping. I try to use whatever looks least headstrong. czar  04:42, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, there you have it, I guess 2 out of 3 Admin agree that action would be necessary next time. (Which could be a while, he mainly just updates quarterly figures, right?) If you see it happening again, you can come to me for hesitant Admin action, or Salv/Czar for decisive action. ;) Sergecross73   msg me  13:37, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Roger that. Thanks. :) — zziccardi ( talk ) 15:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Your request at Files for upload
Hello, and thank you for your request at Files for Upload! The file has been uploaded. You can find it at File:ED6SCbattle.jpg. See Images to learn image syntax, or Creation and usage of media files for other types of files. Regards, Nick&#8288;—&#8288;Contact/Contribs 01:22, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there . FYI, I wasn't the person who uploaded the image. (Though, I think the uploader mentioned my name in the discussions, saying he had my blessing in changing the image, as the respective article is one I created and maintained - so that could be where you saw my name in relation to this image.) Just an FYI, so you can notify the other guy. Thanks. Sergecross73   msg me  01:31, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. It would appear that the AFC beta script used on FFU read your username in his message as his signature and notified you instead of him. The script is a little buggy in more ways than one, unfortunately... Sorry for the bother! Cheers, Nick&#8288;—&#8288;Contact/Contribs 01:34, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, it was actually good to see the guy figured out the image stuff. Thanks. Sergecross73   msg me  01:36, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

RFC for esports naming issue?
Hey could you possibly set up an RFC? The thread at the WikiProject is getting messy fast.--Prisencolin (talk) 09:28, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, you're a trusting soul, asking one of your main opposers to write an RFC for you. ;) But yes, I can do this shortly. I'll post a rough draft on your talk page first to make sure the wording is neutral and correct. (I've been participating because I enjoy settling disputes within WP:VG - it makes it easier when people come to me to solve disputes down the line - but the fact of the matter is, I know very little of the eSports world, so it'd be good for you to review the exact wording. Sergecross73   msg me  14:45, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey now, nobody said we couldn't be friendly on the internet every once in a while. Maybe you should just share the draft on the WikiProject Talk page or something, as I'm sure some other editors would like to see it too. Anyways thanks, Sergecross.--Prisencolin (talk) 15:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Re Move of Dragon Quest Swords
Please, whenever you execute a move based on an open WP:Requested move discussion, close the RM by following the instructions in WP:RMCI. If the RM is not properly closed, it will languish in backlog and it becomes confusing trying to figure out what has occurred. I closed this one for you. Thanks. --Mike Cline (talk) 15:57, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . I apologize, I did not realize an active discussion was taking place. "Requested Moves" was not my means of arriving at the article. It was more the combination of recently reading the WikiProject's discussion on the use of subtitles, and following an IP hopper around who happened to edit the page. Thank you for the heads up and assistance though, I appreciate it. Sergecross73   msg me  16:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * It's always good practice to check the talk page of an article for the presence of an RM before moving it. Glad I could help. --Mike Cline (talk) 16:07, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * True. I think I might have skipped it when I looked at the page history and saw that the last 50 edits of the article took it back like to 2009. My researching tends to be less in-depth when I notice an article is pretty inactive, but you're right, should have checked the talk page too. Thanks. Sergecross73   msg me  16:16, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Everybody's Golf titles
Hi Sergecross73,

A little while ago you undid my move on Sonic the Fighters. I stumbled upon Everybody's Golf and before I start moving unnecessarily, I thought I check with you what you think. The Japanese video game series Everybody's Golf uses the European title for its main article, and most of the individual entries do too. Google tells me that the Japanese part in the original title, みんなの, is a direct translation to "everybody's", but I'm not sure if Everybody's Golf is the right title for the English Wikipedia.
 * Everybody's Golf was released April 1 in North America as Hot Shots Golf, June 1 in Europe as Everybody's Golf
 * Everybody's Golf 3 was not released in Europe, per WP:USEENGLISH, shouldn't that be Hot Shots Golf 3?
 * Everybody's Golf 4 was released as Everybody's Golf in Europe, as Hot Shots Golf Fore! in North America
 * Everybody's Golf 5 was released as Everybody's Golf: World Tour in Europe, as Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds in North America
 * Everybody's Golf 6 was released as Everybody's Golf in Europe, as Hot Shots Golf World Invitational in North America
 * Everybody's Golf Portable was released as Everybody's Golf in Europe, as Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee in North America
 * Everybody's Golf Portable 2 was released as Everybody's Golf 2 in Europe, as Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 2 in North America

That the original game saw a North American release before a European one, that 3 did not see a European release and that 4, 6 and Portable were also called Everybody's Golf seems to me that Hot Shots Golf might be a better title for the series. Googling "hot shots golf" brings up 351,000 results, "everybody's golf" 287,000. Let me know what you think. Thanks, and happy editing. --Soetermans. T / C 11:45, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's sound logic, I fully support this, . I've passed by the articles before and thought that "Hot Shots" was probably the more common name, but never put much thought/effort into it. FYI, don't let me stopping you on that one Sonic article hold you back or slow you down, you seem to understand Wikipedia naming conventions better than most. :) Sergecross73   msg me  17:28, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! But there is a reason I came to you of course, are there any awesome admin powers that can make those all those moves easier? If not, I'd be happy to do it myself of course. --Soetermans. T / C 10:17, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, you're right, it looks like it'll probably require deletions of redirects in order to make the move. I'll make the moves shortly. Sergecross73   msg me  14:46, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * - the moves have been made, though there's still a lot changes to be made in the articles, especially the series article. I can do a little bit, but I'm about to get busy here, so any efforts on your part would be awesome. Thanks! Sergecross73   msg me  18:21, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry
I apologize for the discussion I've started on a page that wasn't ment to use it for that purpose. I'm still finding my way on the English wikipedia and I try to behave in a manner that does not offend anyone. Further I'd like to mention that I'm restricted by a white-list, so it's not possible for me to go to the sites you mentioned. Is there a page within Wikipedia where I could place this question? With kind regards: Oxygene7-13 (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's okay, many make that mistake when they're new to the website.
 * On to your question - you're restricted even from Google? None the less, Wikipedia is generally for writing articles, or talking about writing articles, not just posing questions, so there's not a ton of options for this. I think you can pose random questions at the Reference Desk, probably specifically the Entertainment one, although I'm not sure how well that works. I've never used it - I've never understood its purpose when you've got search engines like Google at your disposal. Also, as a reader, you could always look through the titles listed at Category:Golf video games to see if any of those titles listed sound like the game you're talking about. Sergecross73   msg me  16:39, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Gaming rehabilitation
Hey, I noticed that this article Gaming rehabilitation was created recently. Skimming through this article, it reads really close to an essay or a thesis, with a lot of claims being made with many references provided but no direct quotes. Both the primary contributors are students at the same school. The article's talk page even says "This is a working article to count towards the completion of a degree requirement [for the school]." While they seem to be acting in good faith, I think this may violate WP:COI or WP:NOTESSAY. I was thinking of posting this over at WikiProject Video games's talk page for more input, but I'd thought I ask you first for any recommendations. What do you think? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I do think it's possible that there's an article here, though its current form reads more like a college essay than an encyclopedic article. I don't think a deletion or merge discussion is warranted (unless this is a duplicate article situation), so personally, I think I'd like to do some trimming/rewording/citation needed tagging. Feel free to join in, and/or consult WP:VG too, whichever you prefer.TPS's feel free to chime in too. Sergecross73   msg me  01:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Xenoblade Chronicles X
Hey. I would like to know why you removed Elma and Lin? I don't understand the reasoning you cited in your edit. If anything, they both are far more significant to the story than the avatar, in particular Elma. Elma is essentially the main protagonist like Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles. --MomoQca (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * What is the point of name-dropping and then giving absolutely no context, description, or content related to said name? I'm not saying it shouldn't be in the article, I'm saying that it may as well not be mentioned at all if nothing is going to be said about the name. Sergecross73   msg me  01:45, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * So what you're suggesting is to give a more detailed explanation for Elma and Lin? What about the avatar? The avatar is merely an observer watching the story unfold while Elma and Lin are basically the main protagonists. --MomoQca (talk) 02:20, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've got a good idea. Instead of "customizable avatar player", let's change it to "group of BLADE members". Does that work better for you? --MomoQca (talk) 02:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm saying that if Elma and Lin are mentioned, they need to be described as to who they are, why they're important, etc. The bit about the customizable avatar definitely should stay though - partially because the whole premise of the game is based around directing the avatar around the game world, and partially because it explains why there's so much variation in appearance in the main character. Sergecross73   msg me  02:52, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Rough Draft
eSports article naming

In the world of eSports, its competitors seem to go by a wide variety of names. WikiProject Video Games is attempting to either standardize or come up with rules on how their article's should be named.

Some examples, to help demonstrate the variants possible.

Naming
Chris Loranger "HuK" Chris "Huk" Loranger
 * Legal name
 * Name used when competing
 * Current Article title:


 * Possible options include:
 * 1) Chris Loranger (legal name)
 * 2) HuK (stage name)
 * 3) Huk (stage name, MOS:CAPS applied)
 * 4) Chris "Huk" Loranger (hybrid name)
 * 5) Feel free to propose something else.

Disambiguation
Additionally, its been debated which disambiguation should be used when necessary.
 * Possible options include
 * 1) Name (gamer) (current term for one who plays video games - see Gamer)
 * 2) Name (video game player) (more in line with how its handled in other areas, like chess players)
 * 3) Name ("name of video game played") (more in line with how its handled in sports)
 * 4) Proposing a new option

Input
Rough Draft so far. Input? (On the proposal, not an actual stance on the matter.) Sergecross73   msg me  15:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Outside of a note that the quotes would be removed on the 3rd option for disamb (it should be obviously but you never know...), this looks like a good way to set it up. --M ASEM (t) 16:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree; this is a great setup for handling this. D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 21:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks pretty good right now. One addition that might be helpful is if there were links and short descriptions of various policies such as WP:NICKNAME, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:RECOGNIZABLE, and MOS:TMRULES. Also, maybe it would be a good idea to use a real player example in the disambiguation section like you did in the naming section. I'm not entirely sure that Chess player naming conventions are a good analog for option 2, as most players of chess play standard chess, and relatively few actively play any of the chess variants. Maybe better examples might be Poker players (many players specialize in poker variants), or politicians (DAB is usually just "politician" and not affiliation/party etc.)--Prisencolin (talk) 01:36, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I wanted to add more policy links, but whenever I started to, the content started to lose its neutrality - it would begin to sound like I was pushing for a certain outcome. I only used MOS:CAP because I didn't know any other way to express it. I'm sure the relevant links will be given in the initial !votes.
 * I only used the "chess player" example because I thought someone used that at the WP:VG discussions. I can switch it if you think it makes a difference. I don't think politician would be a good example, but pro poker player would be comparable to esports (if they do in fact follow said conventions)
 * Not using a specific example for the disambiguation part was on purpose. I was afraid that choosing a particular name would require me to chose a side in the first part - how to name them - so I thought it'd be better to use the generic "name", which doesn't take a stance on part one's discussion. Sergecross73   msg me  03:22, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess that makes sense, but in case an example is necessary I just created one in a few seconds.--Prisencolin (talk) 02:55, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Bengi (gamer)
 * Bengi (video game player)
 * Bengi (League of Legends)
 * Bengi (League of Legends player)
 * Bengi (esports) *
 * Is this going to go live soon? We should probably get it up before the participants in the discussion lose interest. D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 05:23, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I had been waiting for Prisen to respond, which he now has. It's good to go whenever, I'm just stuck on mobile for today. Someone can implement it for me, or I can do it tomorrow.  Sergecross73   msg me  19:10, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * So did this end up happening? I'm not that familiar with the RFC process so I can't really tell.--Prisencolin (talk) 03:23, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I hadn't yet, I had forgotten, but I've done it now. It's just at WP:VG's talk page like before, but the RFC bot will basically automatically alert a bunch of other areas/editors to chime in basically. Sergecross73   msg me  19:18, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Edit filter?
Would it be asking too much for "Vita lounge" to be added to an edit filter? These edits     are getting pretty annoying, and it's a different IP address each time. The website isn't even a VGRS anyway, so there's no risk of any potential collateral. I'd prefer not to semi-protect the affected pages, since there are a lot of constructive IP editor contributions that are regularly made. -- benlisquare T•C•E 02:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm all for removing this sort of obvious garbage, but I must admit that I'm personally not familiar with how to set them up, or at what point they're appropriate. Feel free to pursue them though, it certainly seems plausible. In the meantime, I set up "pending changes", so IPs can still suggest edits, they'll just need approval first. I've added the lists to my watchlist to help with this. Yes, we'll have to revert/decline them still, but at least it'll never be publicly available. Sergecross73   msg me  03:10, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Scaruffi
Hello Sergecross73,

An user has already been warned twice that it is not allowed anymore to use this writer in any capacity as a source, concerning music. I first wrote a message on his talk last month on October 8 but he put Scaruffi back as a source this week for the same article here. Could you drop a message on his talk, please and asked him to stop ? That would be helpful. Thanks Woovee (talk) 00:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I left a comment on the respective article talk page. You may want to check it out, a couple editors discussed there since the Oct 8 edit.  Sergecross73   msg me  02:32, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

FFVII article
Do you not agree that there needs to be at least some segway into the article itself? Editorialized or not? I would appreciate your help with rewriting it as opposed to just deleting it because you think it doesn't work. It's something the article needs, regardless of our disagreement over the excecution. Otherwise it just goes into the section without any context, and I think that's pretty clumsy. - Kitsunelaine 「Beware. The foxgirls are coming.」 23:09, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Eh, nevermind. I'll do a general topic on the page's talk page instead. Seems more fitting. Would appreciate your contribution :) - Kitsunelaine  「Beware. The foxgirls are coming.」 23:15, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I wasn't crazy about that one user's removals, but I wasn't crazy about your version either. Stuff like "and this was just what the fans were clamoring for" isn't very encyclopedic sounding. Anyways, I do agree it needs an intro, but if you're not going to add anymore sources, it's best to keep it to a simple "The demand for a FF7 remakes has been high" type sentence. If you're going to add sources, then it should be written around that.  Sergecross73   msg me  23:17, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright. I posted a simple sentence that should do the trick for now, to perhaps be elaborated upon later. - Kitsunelaine  「Beware. The foxgirls are coming.」 02:17, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

G-Zay
Heads up: that banned user is back again, this time as. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:07, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I know roughly the kind of stuff Gzay did - hoaxes and shady POV pushing related to Square Enix stuff - but I wasn't the one who was typically involved in blocking him except for obvious cases here and there. If you can explain or give some difs showing its him, I'll block him. Otherwise, I'll just keep an eye on him. Let me know. Sergecross73   msg me  19:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Slightly Unfair Comment
Hi there,

I just noticed a comment left on the debate surrounding the existence of the article EL VY, where you noted that I have a "history of making articles like this either too soon, or unnecessarily altogether."

I was wondering what other examples you have of me doing this? I spend several hours trying to improve articles and create articles worth reading, providing several sources while sticking to Wikipedia's guidelines. I think it's a little unfair to make that remark on a public forum, considering the work that I do put in - when I have the time - to improving both the site and several articles. Just a little odd to read that, considering we've never interacted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egg Creations (talk • contribs)
 * I made that comment half a year ago, so I'll look into what I was referring to back then, but really, what you just did is exactly the type of thing I was talking about. An article EL VY had an WP:AFD result of WP:REDIRECT, and you undo that redirect by creating a five sentence article that only uses one source - a retail listing - to create an article? Certainly, if I can't prove that you have a long history of doing this, this instance of sloppy work is the exact type of thing I was referring to. You made absolutely no effort in the terrible article to meet the WP:GNG or conform to any sort of guidelines set up for music related articles here. Sergecross73   msg me  16:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Before you continue to slate my work, without researching or realising what you're talking about, that content is not mine at all. It was simply what someone has written while trying to recreate the original article. Best take a look at my edit history to see what I've actually contributed to this website before criticizing me further.

As noted, I will be providing sufficient references to justify the existence of the article and improve it. User:Egg Creations
 * Well, you should probably work a little faster, or use a WP:DRAFT then. I'm not the only one who thinks so, if it has already been tagged for speedy deletion. (I probably would have deleted it too, but I felt it wasn't appropriate considering I participated in the respective AFD. Sergecross73   msg me  16:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

In future I will certainly use a WP:DRAFT to avoid moments like this. User:Egg Creations 17:01, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Reverted to AFD supported redirect. Left comment on article's talk page. -- ferret (talk) 17:16, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ferret, I appreciate it. Sergecross73   msg me  17:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Understood. I realise that I came across as overly defensive, and I do apologise for that. I thoroughly enjoy working on Wikipedia articles, and put a lot of work into creating/building already existing articles into extensive, well-sourced pages. I was just a little taken aback by the criticism, that's all. In future I will certainly use Drafts and respect the decisions that have previously been made. No bad blood intended. User:Egg Creations 17:33, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I apologize as well. When I made that comment at the AFD, I believe I was confusing you with another editor who has made some bad calls in the album/song article creation area. Sergecross73   msg me  17:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

NOPE
caps lock was on. nope — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoTrack (talk • contribs) 20:39, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * - "Nope" to what? My question is why you ripped my infoboxes off my userpage and used them as your own, falsely showing yourself as an Admin who's been here for 7 years? I'm also baffled why you attempted to nominate me to be an Admin, when I've already been one for 3 years. And I don't think we've ever interacted before. And your response is just "Nope"? Sergecross73   msg me  02:50, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy 7th Wiki-Birthday!

 * Hey, thanks for noticing! I knew it was coming up soon with looking at my userboxes recently, but I didn't realize it was here. Thanks! Sergecross73   msg me  03:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

List of Mario sports games
Thank you for protecting the List of Mario sports games. I knew we can't really take the time to take vandalized posts off completely because some people like to always continue to spam articles. And all we can do is protect certain pages from continuous spam. Again, I thank you for that. Could you also provide the protection of the List of Nintendo 3DS games? Because one user, of which I don't exactly remember the name, keeps adding Pokémon Z to the list that just redirects to Pokémon X and Y. And also messes up the game count. Thank you for your time and hope you can take my request. I'll be letting you know if I find anything suspicious. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Zacharyalejandro
 * No problem with the protection. As far as the 3DS list goes, I have definitely noticed the the Pokemon Z vandalism, I've removed it in the past myself. But the protection is supposed to be applied to issues recurring recently, and there was only 1 recently see as far as I saw. I'll gladly protect if it happens again in close succession though. Alternatively, I can activate "pending changes" too if you'll help me enforce. Sergecross73   msg me  03:53, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Maintenance move.
Doing some clean up of Motherboard's talk pages. Can you please move Talk:Motherboard/archive old to Talk:Motherboard/Archive 1 over redirect? I have moved the previous Archive 1, which is more recent than "old", to Archive 2 already. -- ferret (talk) 01:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Whoops, sorry, forgot about this. I believe I've done what you requested. Let me know if I didn't. Sergecross73   msg me  20:38, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks good. :) -- ferret (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Some advice please?
I am getting thoroughly sick of a particular editor - I probably should not have, but I left a warning on their user page about their (I am assuming it's a he) anonymous editing. Since then he has continued doing the same borderline-dubious editing. still under IPs - his recent edits on Thong have actually been quite disruptive/pretty obviously pervy, including enlarging the lede picture so that everyone can share his appreciation for barely-clothed bikini contestants. (I think that if you need to enlarge the lede picture then its obviously not working....)

My question is, is it/would it be inappropriate to continue posting (escalating) warnings on the user's page regarding their "anonymous" edits? I can't help thinking that if you put together all the IP edits, you would see very clear evidence of a disruptive editor trying to push an agenda. I have picked up on another recently-appeared editor who claims to be female, but has an interestingly similar editing approach/style to this person (although is more focused on "real people" than porny ideals). I can't be 100% certain they're the same person (and to be honest I suspect probably not) but I do wonder...

Can you advise please, as I'm afraid I'm in breach of Wiki etiquette already....? Thanks so much. Mabalu (talk) 23:32, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I may as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb. After seeing the really rather dubious image they inserted into Thong, I went ahead and left a warning on the user's page (albeit with a note of apology just in case I was mistaken, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.) about disruptive editing. Mabalu (talk) 01:31, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Sorry for the delay in response, I've been busy. Anyways, I want to help, but I'm not exactly how to go about it, as I'm still not knowledgeable with how Wikipedia handles articles based on clothing. From what I've skimmed through, I don't have any problems with how you've handled it or addressed him, I just don't know if this is an issue of going against any sort of guideline/policy, or just that there isn't any consensus for him to be moving forward with his edits. Can you provide any insight on that? I mean, I completely understand your objection, I don't think the images are good additions, but I don't know Wikipedia's stance.
 * I guess it kind of depends on your response, but one approach could be for me to give him a warning, and if the issue persists, the pages could be protected to keep out the IPs, and then his account would be blocked if he persisted through this. But again, it's dependent on there being actual rules broken. Sergecross73   msg me  21:45, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you - I'm just worried that I might be breaking a rule by "outing" the user behind the anonymous edits. Have been trying very hard not to get too snotty with him. I'll keep a tab on things and see if it gets any further out of hand. Mabalu (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's okay, I don't believe its really considered "outing" if we're just talking about a Wikipedia username and IP addresses they use to edit. Outing is more of a problem if you were trying to connect the IP addresses with someone's real life name or Facebook account or something. It is frowned upon to edit under username and IPs concurrently, so you're merely pointing out potential issues on Wikipedia.
 * I'll leave it in your hands for now then. If you'd like me to intervene, let me know, but if you, it'll be easier for me if you can provide the person's shortcoming to adhere to standing guidelines or consensus. :) Sergecross73   msg me  20:05, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow. Things have exploded a wee bit. I guess we'll see what happens. Sockpuppet investigation filed. Mabalu (talk) 14:39, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The plot thickens and thickens. I will be very interested to see the outcome of the investigation - have added TWO more names to the list for investigation. Really beginning to suspect that this is someone who's been banned/suspended before given how well they seem to know the system. Mabalu (talk) 16:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, let me know how it goes... Sergecross73   msg me  16:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The sock and his harem of "female" sockpuppets got permanent-blocked, and it turns out someone else had already picked up on the odd behaviour of their more recent socks - including momentarily wondering if I was one of the socks, until they saw my interactions with them! I'm sure they'll be back, though... Well, that was fun... Mabalu (talk) 15:35, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear of this resolution. At least now I can assist in protecting or blocking in the name of block evasion at least. Sergecross73   msg me  18:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you protect Shorts please? Within hours of being blocked, a certain very familar IP with very familar editing behaviour popped up on Shorts and added a picture remarkable mainly for its focus on bare legs.... - I reverted the two edits made after the block as evasion, but have left the ones they made BEFORE being blocked alone, although it's obvious that all the IP edits recently made are them. Mabalu (talk) 01:11, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Protected. Feel free to remove further pictures from the article, there's really too many there, and some are rather redundant and not really necessary to illustrate the concept. 02:17, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * OMG.... It looks like they're socking anonymously on Choli and Sari too, and as User:117.192.204.220, pretending to be going after their previous socks in an attempt to make themselves appear legitimate. I hope I am mistaken, but how likely is it that a completely unconnected anonymous editor would explicitly go after the socks using the same IP range? Just filing an update to the sockpuppet thread - I think we have a really devious game-player here. Mabalu (talk) 01:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Let me know how that goes. I can see where you're coming from, it does seem like its possible that they could be doing the opposite now just to prove a point after their block. I'll let the SPI decide if they need blocking, but I have temporarily protected the pages for now. Sergecross73   msg me  14:13, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Important
Hello, as you may or may not know, I'm the evil 24.126 (or PlaystationOfAnEra). I've gone off to do better things on better sites, and I've stopped using those 2 IP addresses altogether.

I am very sorry for causing so much trouble after all these years. Can you tell me what I did? Cannot remember all of it.

--45.17.76.154 (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I can barely remember myself, but looking at my comments at the talk page of, it looks like you threatened to "ban" , which was ridiculous on a number of levels, and it looks like under that IP, you threatened to ban and continued to dole out personal attacks. See here for many of the things you were warned about.
 * Speaking of that, it's hard to take your apology seriously when you make edits like this today. Sergecross73   msg me  16:35, 17 December 2015 (UTC)