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Moldova's brief major financial-economic news of the year of 2005
Hi Serhio. I see you have created the article Moldova's brief major financial-economic news of the year of 2005. While the article contains a lot of good information, I don't think it really belongs at Wikipedia, since it is basically just news and not really encyclopedic information. Perhaps it would belong at Wikinews? Thanks, Ronline ✉ 11:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. This article is something you would see in an economic journal. Notice I say journal, since even a financial newspaper will not go through all the months. Also its length makes it very hard to follow. Constantzeanu 17:14, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I have redirected this article from Wikinews, because it is not a news, but information about the economical situation in Republic of Moldova for the 2005 year. serhio talk 07:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

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Another image
Another one you uploaded, Image:Chi gates.jpg, is also missing rights info, and is in danger of being deleted. - Jmabel | Talk 03:37, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Feteasca alba image
how about uploading in wiki commons ?? --212.88.158.230 12:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

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(And all the rest of these maps too.) Stan 13:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Message from a Wikipedian in the U.S.A.
Serhio-

Hello, I am writing because I wanted to correspond with somebody in Moldova. I live in New York, USA, I am a frequent traveler, and I find your country to be very interesting (I would like to visit at some point, perhaps this summer.) I would love to know more about your country, and I have found that talking to a Wikipedian in a foreign country is a great way to get to know the country well and to have friends in many places...if you would like to email me, my address is apriori_paul_hanson@yahoo.com, or you can leave me a message on my talk page. Talk to you later - Paul 03:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Moldova
It's a great idea. I hope, we'll expand it. --Zserghei 17:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

History of Moldova
Any advice about what to do with that little piece over there? Looks pretty hopeless to me... --Illythr 14:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chisinau_Center.jpg

Thank you for posting that image, it is one of the most beautiful/depressing things I have ever seen. 24.253.92.226 05:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

You welcome!

Come in this city to see all with your eyes. ;) serhio talk 12:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Moldova/Economy
Please do not insert blatant advertising into Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a soapbox or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising. Please therefore rewrite this sub-article as an actual report on the Moldovan economy or simply get rid of it. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 13:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Mulţumesc frumos pentru sprijinul dvs. Îl apreciez. Biruitorul 15:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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WikiProject Moldova
It's up and running, please join! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Foreign R-relations
Why did you do that? "relations" is not part of a proper name. Compare --Illythr (talk)

Reply to your wondering
Salut! Sunt din Balti. Tu? Vrei sa colaboram la Wiki-project Moldova?

1) Eu as vrea sa dezvolt pagini pentru toate localitatile din Moldova. Deocamdata, am inceput sa fac template-uri pentru fiecare raion/municipiu/UT (m-am inspirat de la modelul US counties). Am facut 8 (le-am verificat si rasverificat sa nu fie nici o greseala), mai am inca 29 de raione. Peste vreun an, poate le termin. :) Vreau ca la urma sa avem lista completa a localitatilor, alfabetica, fara nici o greseala, din care sa rezulte clar care e oras/comuna/sat. Dupa asta, sau chiar intre timp, evident trebuie scris ceva pentru fiecare localitate. Daca tu ai vreo carte/enciclopedie cu ceva informatii, sau pur si simplu daca ai interes - ar fi ideal.

2) As vrea sa imbunatatim articolele generale despre Moldova, sa eliminam din ele diverse controverse si opinii personale si sa le facem cat mai informative. Un cititor nu vine sa afle opinia cuiva, ci pentru date concrete.

3) Ar fi bine sa avem mai multe articole despre diverse personalitati din Moldova.

4) As vrea sa facem un pic de ordine in Category:Moldova, acum mi se par ca exista multe repetitii. Sa adaugam cat:Moldova la toate articolele care au legatura cu Moldova. (probabil trebuie rulat vreun bot pentru asta, dar eu nu ma pricep la asa ceva)

Ar mai fi multe de facut. Evident ca sunt foarte bucuros ca mai este cineva interesat! Cele mai bune urari, Dc76


 * Foarte bune idei, sunt de acord sa colaboram, sunt shi yo bucuros ca mai e cineva. Shi daca in Wikipedia mai este lume ce editeaza Moldova, pai in alte proecte wiki lumea e mai rara. De ex, in Wikinews nu sunt decat yo :);

Am deocamdata oleaca de probleme cu copyrightul imaginilor. de ex, cele de pe siteurile guvernamentale mi sau scris prin mail de la adminii de acolo ca ar fi public domain, insa nu au nicaieri pe site publicata aceasta informatie, asha ca nu se poate prea multe de demonstrat. Ar fi bine de adus mai multa multimedia in articole. Acestea ar fi sunete, imagini, shi secvente video. Bafta ;) --serhio talk 17:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Uite asta este, de exemplu, o harta foarte buna. Daca poti face harti, esti o mina de aur. Unul din zecile de exemple: avem nevoie de harti care sa evidentieze fiecare raion, pentru template-urile lor. (Moldopodo ma invinueste ca am facut templaturi fara harti. Dar bine, eu nu-s masina - nu dovedesc sa le fac chiar pe toate, n-am toata ziua la dispozitie pentru WP) Bine, aici merg si harti cu rezolutie mica. Dar, de exemplu, ne trebuie o harta geografica cu rezolutie mare, cu toate localitatile, etc (si de preferat recenta, nu din 1985).
 * Sunt perfect de acord cu tine cand zici despre audio, video, imagini (ai pus punctul pe rana - asta lipseste cel mai mult). Cu copyright la imagini am avut si eu probleme. Si nu doar cu cele de pe diverse pagini. Chiar si in cazul cand eu am fotografiat ceva, am avut probleme. De exemplu mi s-a spus ca nu pot sa pun fotografia unuia care a murit cu mai putin de 50 de ani in urma! A trebuit sa scriu comentarii de genul celor de aici (poti sa te amuzi), mai ales ca era vorba despre fotografia unei persoane despre care nu-mi pasa (am fotografiat si eu sa fie). Si asta inca in cazul cand obiectiile veneau de la un utilizator relativ prietenos. Am inteles ca toate imaginile puse in public domain de guvernul SUA pot fi folosite liber pe WP. Pacat ca dureaza atat de mult pana se ajunge si la siturile guvernamentale din Moldova. WP are o problema mare cu copyright, unii utilizatori sunt asa de obsedati...
 * Iti urez sarbatori fericite de Pasti. Poate vorbim mai concret mai incolo. Trebuie sa existe vreo solutie pentru aceste probleme. Spor la treaba in Wikinews. :) Dc76\talk 17:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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Wines project
Thanks for the invitation, but I feel I don't have sufficient knowledge or staying power to join. I can randomly look over the cat and fix whatever errors I can find, though. One point: you seem to be overusing capitalization in article/page names. As you can see, for examlpe, here, only region names and proper names are written with a capital letter.
 * BTW: A very good idea, with the wines! --Illythr (talk) 12:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the observation, I've fixed it --serhio talk 12:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

May 2008
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 * I would like to delete these page. Is this possible? --serhio talk 14:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Moldova-wine-stub
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 * Thanks for informing. I'll describe my point of view. --serhio talk 19:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Cnacuba & Multumesc
...for the invitation about the wines, but... I'm not competent... a trebuit chiar sa renunt la alcool din pricina ficatului care nu prea mai lucreaza... et je ne voudrais pas illustrer le "Principe de Peter" ! ;-) --Spiridon MANOLIU (talk) 18:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Idea e ca nici eu nu eram(sunt) prea competent, chiar nu prea beau alcool. But I know that Moldova is famous by its wine, and I would like to popularize this information and to collect this interesting information. Malheureusement, je connais pas le "principe de Peter", ainsi que je pourrais pas m'en prononcer. By the way, "Спасибо" is the correct variant of "Thank you". Well, thanks to pronouncing, and welcome, daca te-ar apuca interesul despre aceasta tema interesanta. --serhio talk 19:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Moldovan wine project and few other questions
Hello Serhio, it is always nice to see people contributing to articles on wine! I stumbled across your new articles, primarily on Moldovan wineries after several of them were tagged for the project WP:WINE by another user, who did not complete the assessment. I was going to suggest to you that it probably is better to write fewer and a little longer articles, since almost all the winery articles do not establish the notability of them, and I've seen such articles being put up for WP:AfD many times; not by members of Project Wine, but by "general editors" on the watchout for advertising-looking articles. Then I stumbled across the page WikiProject MoldovanWines, with you as the single project member, which really made me puzzled. As far as I can tell, you did not go via WikiProject Council/Proposals, and you have not followed the steps outlined in WikiProject Council/Guide. For example, you seem to have made no contact with the parent project WikiProject Wine. (I personally think that a Task Force rather than a Project is the absolute maximum you can assemble on this subject, and even that will be difficult.) You do however have copied much of our project page. Not any "crime", but it seems a little strange to me! For example, the "Project Article Assessment" is actually a list of WikiProject wine's article, and the supposed "List of articles covered by this project" also go to WP Wine articles. Furthermore, what the page claims to be "Wine Related Did You Knows" seem not to have appeared under Did you know, partially because some don't even exist. So I'm curious to hear your thoughts about you articles and the project page. Either reply here or on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine. Regards, Tomas e (talk) 20:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Serhio... what I suggest is that you create a Moldovan wine task force within the Wine WikiProject instead. As Tomas outlines, a full WikiProject devoted to Moldovan wines with just one editor is overkill. - Merzbow (talk) 04:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I see now that you are right. I waited some time and sent invitations for people to join the project, but as I can see nobody was interested. I see that I shouldn't begin this project. I'll try to create the task force for Moldovan wines and close the project, not before creating and improving the current pages relaetd to the subject. Thanks for your observations. --serhio talk 07:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You would be most welcome to sign up with WP:WINE - we're always looking for new enthusiasts! No formal taskforces have so far been created, but that's definitely possible. I've seen other projects creating task force "flags" for use with their project tags, as a replacement for a separate stub category. Regards, Tomas e (talk) 12:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I think, I'll create a taskforce when the articles about the subject will worth creating a taskforce. I recognize that a project creation was premature, I think that for a taskforce the subject and articles are not ready yet. As for the wine project, surely, I will join it. --serhio talk 07:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikicookie
Thank you. I do what I like and can --serhio talk 16:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Careful
;-) First, technically, the "correctness" of the meters/metres thing (and the like) depends on the dictionaries installed (US spelling by default), and second, it's generally a bad idea to fix quotes and book names ("Roumania"). --Illythr (talk) 07:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ;) I used Word checker with US checker. Thanks for the observations. I know some US UK differences like color-colour or meters metres, well, I think it is correct all the same :) --serhio talk 07:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Moldova: There were a few good edits in that heap. Probably worth picking out. --Illythr (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oupss, maybe a was wrong, take a look and conserve the useful edits, if you have time. Thanks. --serhio talk 20:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you don't do it today - I'll get to it tomorrow evening. :-) --Illythr (talk) 20:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Internet in Moldova
Ive changed the article, its more compact now and it holds all information, as for speeds, i provided a link to my site, where ill make special page for that..... PYX-340 (talk) 11:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, is a different approach. From one hand I think that the external links should be placed in the bottom of page in the special section; from other hand, your site is quite well designed, and so one, but isn't a thematic one, that from the main page we can't find a way to touch the referenced page but going back in the browser, from the third hand(if the English language permits to me the third), we don't have nowhere this information grouped in one page. To make a longer history shorter, I think the links should be in the bottom, in External links section. --serhio talk 20:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi, thanks for the tip, but I'm quite sure I'm a native speaker of both languages. Sotnik (talk) 15:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, have you been born in an English speaking country, or your parents are from there? --serhio talk 07:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, something like that, I grew up in more then one country. Sotnik (talk) 01:57, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, man, forgive me my doubts about and happy editing! :) --serhio talk 05:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Images
Hey Serhio, just wanted to thank you for the imags you uploaded for bilateral relations of Moldova. Could you please do the same for other articles on Moldavian bilateral relations? Thank you so much in advance!--Moldopodo talk 13:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Raions of Moldova
Shouldn't we change the names of the raions of Moldova into an English name: like [  (district) ] or [  Raion ]? currently we have something like [ Raionul  ].Xasha (talk) 20:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you are right. see the Counties of Romania. We can have also Districts of Moldova ;) --serhio talk 18:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, analysing their political and administrative rights, I think the proper name would be canton, not district don't you think? --Moldopodo talk 17:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The Moldovan government uses "rayon" when talking about it in English. (but they also use municipium when talking about municipality)Xasha (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The CIA 2008 Factbook uses "raions" .Xasha (talk) 19:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * well, I think that is not so important how we are going to name it in English. The most usual word for a non-autonomous little part of a country is named district or county. However, I would like that Moldovan districts differs as name from Romanian counties(like judetz and raion does). By the way, the MS Word spell checker does not recognize the "raion" as a valid word. I agree with him - I consider that Wikipedia should be simpler and not having so much "original" words. And I consider CIA Factbook an outdated and incoherent source of information. --serhio talk 05:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Its one of the official names in Transnistria. But this has little to do with the current article name, which was decided by consensus.Xasha (talk) 13:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No. I actually don't remember ever going to Transnistria, and I definitely wasn't there after the war. If you're talking about the infobox, I fixed it now. It was modified by mistake by the admin who made the move, and after that, when I reverted Romanian POV pushers, I didn't notice it.Xasha (talk) 14:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There was I was in the municipality not a long ago. The city does not very fine, well, like a ordinal Moldovan one. But it's very russified. --serhio talk 14:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Romanians
Salut Serhio,

It's good to see somebody is still fighting to keep Wikipedia free of Romanian nationalism and anti-Moldovan prejudices. Noroc! --Node (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I consider anti-Moldovan prejudices should not be necessarily pro-Romanian or pro-Russian. But sometimes they can be ones, and I consider that nobody but people can decide in this situation. More Moldovans are in Wikipedia, more objectivism will be in Moldova's related articles. By the way, I am Moldovan, but I am speaking Romanian ;) --serhio talk 03:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Kestia cu Moldavian
Serhio, sa stii ca nu sunt pus nici rai nici bine in ceea ce priveste contributiile mele pe Wikipedia. Este vorba de adevarul istoric, despre istoria Moldovei, tarii noastre. Jocurile cu terminul Moldavian pe Wikipedia anglofona au denaturat esenta terminului. Sa te uiti daca s-a utilizat cand-va terminul aista "Moldovan" in limba engleza mai inainte. Anume terminul "Moldavian" descrie esenta istoriei noastre. Sa notezi ca problema asta exista numai in engleza, pe cind intrebarea nici nu se pune in alte limbi. Pentru "Moldavian" e ajunge de cautat prin internet si la orice biblioteca, poti sa faci o fotocopie paginei respective si s-o scanezi. Ceea ce este amuzant cu adevarat, e ca nici un utilizator din Moldova nu baga nasul in articole legate de Romania, pe cind pentru utilizatorii romani, articole despre Moldova sint domeniul predilectiei principale. O zi buna P.S. Sa ne scriem si noi in engleza pe Wikiedpia anglofona, cred ca-i mult mai corect vis a vis de alti utilizatori--Moldopodo talk 14:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ok, in fine, daca am inceput, in Romana, nu prea intzeleg, de ce anume consideri "Moldavian" ca ar fi utilizat corect?.. Shi nu "Moldovan". Nu consider ca "Moldovenescul" Moldovei din Romania ar trebui sa fie diferit de "Moldovenescul" din RM, insa cum e corect in Engleza? sa luam
 * http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Moldavian
 * http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Moldovan
 * http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Moldovan


 * Mol·da·vi·a (ml-dv-, -dvy, môl-)
 * A historical region of eastern Romania east of Transylvania. Part of the Roman province of Dacia, it became a principality in the 14th century and passed to the Ottoman Empire in 1504, although it was continually attacked and often controlled by other powers. In 1861 Moldavia united with Walachia to form the nucleus of modern Romania.
 * ->adj. Moldavian


 * Mol·do·va (ml-dv, môl-) Formerly  Mol·da·vi·a (-dv-, -dvy)
 * A country of eastern Europe bordering on Romania.
 * ->adj. Moldovan


 * la fel shi in articole enciclopedice engleze:
 * http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Moldova.aspx
 * http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O142-Moldova.html
 * http://www.worldtravelguide.net/country/175/business/Europe/Moldova.html


 * priveste site-ul oficial Moldovenesc:
 * http://www.moldova.md/en/cultura/
 * fraze tip "The Moldovan folklore has a strong basis of Dacian-Latin origin"


 * Site-ul Uniunii Europene
 * http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/others/moldova/index_en.htm
 * ("Site in Moldovan, Moldovan leu")...


 * Eu consider ca termenul "Moldavia", sau "Moldavian" fie ca denumirea provinciei Romanesti, fie ca o rusificare a denumirii tzarii noastre pe plan international. La fel ca shi Kisinev. Nu prea imi place ca in codurile de aeroporturi internationale Chisinaul este "KIV", pe cand din in aceste litere doar I se intalneste in denumirea orashului. Similar, nu ash vrea ca termenii ce tin de Moldova sa fie rusificati, "Moldavian" imi pare sa fie din aceeasi cahorta.


 * La fel in limba franceza, termenul "Moldavie" traditional este utilizat, cu toate ca, dupa declalarea independentei, s-a convenit ca in franceza sa fie denumirea de "République de Moldova". In rusa "Moldavia" de asemenea, la nivel oficial trebuie sa fie numita "Республика Молдова". Mai departe shi prin urmare, "Moldovan", shi nu "Moldavian".


 * De altfel, sunt de acord ca romanii isi baga prea tare nasul in articolele legate de RM. Asta nu e de mirare, shi nici faptul ca ai nostri nu se prea baga in Romania. Cauzele: Romanii cred RM a lor shi apoi, Moldoveni pe wiki is totusi nu prea numerosi. --serhio talk 10:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Segiu, sa-mi amintesti te rog frumos de discutia asta mai ulterior. Am argumente si pentru engleza si pentru franceza, si asa mai departe. La momentul dat nu mai tin minte unde, dar am postat si eu undeva analiza comparativa a utilizarii terminului Moldavia. Moldavia - este numele tarii noastre aproape timp de 950 ani. Moldova - e versiunea moldoveneasca si asta-i si normal - cind vorbesti moldoveneste, pe cind in aropape orice alta limba straina se zice Moldavia, dar oficial se spune Republica de/di/of Moldavia, si uneori Republic of Moldova (aici sunt de acord si eu cu tine). Oricum, deocamdata, cum poti sa vezi, ma ocup cu alte modificari... Sper c-o sa mai rediscutam de asta cat mai repede. Am creat si eu Public holidays in Moldova azi. In ceea ce priveste raionaele noastre (:-)), personal cred ca terminul "canton" e cel mai potrivit in cazul Moldovei, dar lasa ca sa fie asa, daca comunitatea noastra a decis ca-i terminul cel mai potrivit. Cineva a mentionat ca le-au gasit traducerea asta dupa exemplul articolelor despre Romania. Pai, problema e ca n-avem aceeasi structura de subordonare administrativa tip "guvern-judet-raion", in Moldova avem "guver-raion", vezi diferenta? WE placut! P.S. Hai ca nu-ti mai scriu moldoveneste ca-i totusi Wikipedia anglofona, si insist ca nu-i corect vis a vis de alti utilizatori. Sa nu eziti sa ma scrii un mail daca doresti sa graim moldoveneste.
 * Un sfat am: mai putine frantuzisme. Si se scrie "cît" ;) Xasha (talk) 17:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * las ca si asa-i bine! Check out my new signature! --Mol dop odo  talk 17:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In franceza oficial e "Republique de Moldova". Vezi in pasaport-ul strain si pe site-uri UE oficiale in franceza ;) --serhio talk 23:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Moldovan cuisine
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Grape colours
Hello Serhio, I saw that you added several lines to the Template:Infobox grape variety. The pedigree information I find useful, and I will probably add that to several grapes! When it comes to the grape skin colour, however, I have some questions. Do you really think that the French-language terms Blanc, Noir &c. are the appropriate ones for an English language encyclopedia? As a non-native speaker I'm unsure myself. Also, which source did you use to choose these five? I'm not sure I've ever seen "Rouge" as a grape colour - it usually applies to wine rather than grapes in my experience, in difference from Blanc. (Germans use the term Roter... for some grapes, but they tend to be rose or gris in French.) As an example, you've classified Cabernet Sauvignon as a "Rouge" while it definitely would be one of the noirien - the black grapes - to a French viticulturist, although Americans tend to call them "red grapes". Regards, Tomas e (talk) 20:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thomas, man, see the template, and the references bellow. See a international German catalogue, with is not English nor French. http://www.vivc.bafz.de/datasheet/dataDefault.php?value=14 . By the way, you can use the following colors in this template(separated by '|' ):
 * Rose|rose|rs|RS|pink  =DeepPink
 * Rouge|rouge|R|r|red   =DarkRed
 * Gris|gris|G|g|gray-red =BlueViolet
 * Noir|noir|n|N|black   =Indigo
 * Blanc|blanc|b|B|white =LightGoldenRodYellow
 * As for the Cabernet Sauvignon I'll be greatful to you if you'll fix my mistake. --serhio talk 23:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)