User talk:Serial Number 54129/Archive 12

Seeing....
Thomas Neville (died 1460) makes me think I need to get back to the early Nevilles again. After the WP:Core Contest! Good work on Thomas! Ealdgyth - Talk 21:01, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course- Ralph Neville is one of yours isn't it? You know, you're always welcome to cast a critical eye over it (or any of 'my' articles for that matter)- I don't think I would ever see the need to revert you  :) The core contest sounds fun- a shame I didn't see it until now. Or is only FAC editors who are involved? "No quarter given, or received!" cried Warwick at the Core Contest of 1461.  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  08:51, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Core Contest is for anyone, and it's running through the end of June, so still time to pick something and work on it! Join us! Ealdgyth - Talk 11:53, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks ; well, I might've had a go at The Wars of the Roses :p  -but, seriously, that list nearly made me cross-eyed! It would be handy if it could be sorted by wikiproject or something. It's odd that there are so many FAs on it; I wouldn't have thought they could be improved, realistically. still, thanks very much for pointing the core contest out to me.  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  16:57, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I find Vital articles (and its various relatives) to be much easier to navigate. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:03, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * So it is, much easier. Cheers! &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  17:16, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Do either Thomas Neville (died 1460) or Thomas Neville (died 1471) – both born c. 1429 – fit in anywhere on the ? Are these guys related at all? I don't know how you can choose a primary topic among two men with the same name, born the same year, both associated with the Wars of the Roses. I'd suggest disambiguation of the latter somehow, and moving Thomas Neville (disambiguation) to the base title. – wbm1058 (talk) 02:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

And are they part of the Neville–Neville feud? On opposite sides? wbm1058 (talk) 02:08, 31 May 2017 (UTC)




 * Thanks. FYI, I'm here because on my patrols I spotted this untruthful hatnote, which I reverted. Since it seems you place the one that died 1460 as the more notable man, then we should move Thomas Neville →
 * Thomas Neville (died 1471) or
 * Thomas Fauconberg or
 * Thomas Neville, Bastard of Fauconberg, or back to
 * Bastard of Fauconberg? wbm1058 (talk) 15:29, 31 May 2017 (UTC)


 * 'Untruthful'; you are most kind. I assume that TNd.1460 is 'more' notable as that article is more substantial, is based on reliable secondary sourcing as opposed overly-much on WP:PRIMARY, and is generally more accurate  don't really mind which is the primary page as it occurs to me I have no idea what the criteria are. Do as you consider best according to logic and policy (if they happen to coincide!). Cheers,  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  15:46, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Looking at Template:Wars of the Roses, I see that favors Thomas Neville, Viscount Fauconberg, and since that's a red link it will be easy to move there without needing to clear the way, as I would need to do with Thomas Fauconberg, as that page has merged history. Viscount is a more flattering title than bastard. Should Thomas Neville (died 1460) be added to Template:Wars of the Roses, as a major magnate in the north of England during the Wars of the Roses? wbm1058 (talk) 16:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes it is :) unfortunately there's no evidence (or indeed, liklihood, on account of his illiegitimacy) that he ever was a viscount. I'd be interested to hear more on that possibility though, certainly. On the WotR template; well, I don't know really- does it have a definition for 'major'? Just MHO, etc., but it was his father who was the major magnate in the north- TN was a second son, and dead by ~30. So I suppose he definitely had an impact (especially in the Percy-Neville feud, funnily enough)- but was it enough to be important?  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  17:11, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I do a bunch of editing on [Continental] European mediæval history, where there are many German princelings, so I generally favour the patterns Name II, Title of Place and Name, Nth Title of Place for all nobles and princes (including monarchs). But in that edit I was merely matching the pattern that was already in the template. For the Thomas Neville in question, however, I would prefer Thomas Neville, Viscount Fauconberg iff he actually bore that title. If he was known to his contemporaries as Thomas Neville, Bastard of Fauconberg I wouldn't object to that article title, but I'd definitely prefer Thomas Neville (died 1471) to Bastard of Fauconberg, if only for the sake of clarity. — OwenBlacker (talk) 17:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I noticed the infobox on Wars of the Roses lists "Thomas Neville" twice (once in each column of Belligerents). The bastard was beheaded, and I see the skull & crossbones symbol on the "Yorkist rebels" side. So was the bastard a "Yorkist", as indicated by the lead of his bio, or a "Yorkist rebel"? And the other one "Later defected to the Lancastrians"? I think one of the links needs to be fixed, as they both point to the same guy (or are they the same guy, before & after defection?). wbm1058 (talk) 17:30, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, Thomas Fauconberg was (apparently) in the Kingmaker's service, who started off as a Yorkist, but who then c.1469, through dissatisfaction with Edward IV of England, joined the House of Lancaster. Thos Fauconberg therefore followed him- that's how he becomes a Lancastrian too :) my (joke) Thomas Neville (d.1460), was always a Yorkist- but just not for very long! So the WotR I/B should prob have the two TN's I guess. Unless he's not enough of a major magnate ;) but I don't know the criteria for that.  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  17:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Rejoining this conversation - I assume you have Charles Young's The Making of the Neville Family in England? While its not perfect, I used it extensively on Hugh de Neville, Ralphie, Alan de Neville (forester), and Alan de Neville (landholder). The early Nevilles are like weeds, they spring up everywhere... Ealdgyth - Talk 17:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed :) although Young stops c.1400, so is wholly unsatisfactory for their promotion to the earldom of Westmorland onwards. In fact he condenses the entire period 1403-c.1460 out in order to epilogise it! Bit odd that, I thought.  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  17:45, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If I recall right, Young's more a 1200s-1300s kinda historian. He did do a biography of Hubert Walter and a really outstanding work on the royal forests... but was not a prolific author like Frank Barlow ...If I had to chose one period, it'd be Billy the Bastard and his sons. I start losing some interest with Stephen, and by the time of Edward I, my snores start disturbing people. I do edit more broadly here - it's hard to avoid, but my first interest is Billy and his sons (although I think Henry's more a bastard than his father...) I really wish you or someone here would work on the Hundred Years' War article and the Wars of the Roses article... they could use some love but I just don't have the books unpacked or the desire...Ealdgyth - Talk 17:51, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that - you're correct of course, his first thing was the royal forests, and clearly that led him on naturally through the Nevilles from there. I gues his eyes closed up around Henry IV too :) it's true, I've had my eye on re-working the WotR article for some time, but my sandbox is a graveyard to good intentions- Henry VI is testament to that!  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  17:59, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

NPOV issue
Hi, I'm asking you specifically as an uninvolved editor who seems to have their head screwed on to take a look at Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard. Each year Pentecost goes on the main page when it is celebrated (this year within 24 hours) and I am concerned about a spate of recent edits. I may be over-reacting. I just want outside opinions. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 00:28, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I do apologise for the belated reply, which is very rude, particularly in view of the compliment you paid. But, I must recuse, without prejudice, etc., as I'm afraid that that discussion is way beyond my paygrade :) I can go about as far back as 325 C.E. before my ears go pop. But I do understand how some of the issues you have raised might be seen as of concern- this way is procedurally the way forward (as you know- apologies for sounding patronising!), unless behavioural patterns are highlighted, I guess. Best of luck- and thanks for the note! &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  18:00, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No need to apologise! And I wasn't sure at all that this was the right way, so thanks for the reassurance! --Andreas Philopater (talk) 08:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a thought, but a good place to solicit input on content would be the WP:CHRISTIANITY, WP:JUDAISM, and WP:BIBLE wikiprojects- that way, you guarantee the input of 'experts' who know the historiography (or equivalent) but are also impartial in any particular dispute, as well (Ithink) any sub-projects. &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  09:45, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Could You please help me?
I am on a wikibreak but I had to ask you this. One editer is making me feel discouraged for welcoming new users and it seems is now following my contributions. It all started today when they notified me and my co-editor that wiki is not a social network. I don't know exactly what I'm asking you but could you please help me in someway? Dinah Kirkland (talk) 17:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I noticed and replied on your talk, . Please don't be discouraged; but if you read that page, you might see how such a concern might be understandable. The good thing is, with a bit of editing work under your belt, it will be easy to shrug off, and you'll get a bit more laxitude too :) but until then... it could look like you're using Jimmy Wales' pet project as you own personal Instant Messenger! I also apologise in advance if I sound like a school teacher. I'm not. &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  17:51, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

It's Alright! And what is Jimmy Wales or instant messaging? Dinah Kirkland (talk) 17:54, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Because I do not know enough hete I have moved to http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dinah_Kirkland?useskin=oasis Hopefully there I will be able to do what I need and it is a social media network as well. Dinah Kirkland (talk) 19:14, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That's an excellent idea. Enjoy! &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  19:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Pedant of the month
Your 'Pedant of the month' award just arrived, but we had to send it back because the pedantic awards committee could not agree on the exact wording on the certificate. That makes 486 times that this has happened. :( --Guy Macon (talk) 19:45, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Las Anod Article
Can you please explain why you choose to support the distributive edits of this article?

Las Anod is a town in Somalia. I born there, i live there, i should KNOW!

EXPLAIN YOURSELF PLEASE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cagadhiig (talk • contribs) 17:01, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Please stop your distributive editing. If you continue to edit distributively, you may be suffering of bilocation. — Paleo Neonate  - 17:36, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will. You continually inserted unsourced original research into various artices against the advice of other editors. You were blocked for edit warring on one of these articles; bear in mind you had actually been doing the same on multiple pages. On your return from the block, you immediately recommenced the same behaviour, and, if it appears one has learned nothing from a block, then it is customary to assume the behaviour will continue unles stopped. So another preventive block is required. If you cease your edit-warring, and discuss the issues with others on the article(s) talk page(s), then it is likely that will take a favourable view. But at the moment, I'm afraid your disruptive editing on many pages takes up the time and resources of too many other editors, administrators, etc. As to the article content that you hold in dispute, please bear in mind that, much as we appreciate the important of local, specialised knowledge for ensuring accuracy in article, such edits still need to be sourced in reliable sources that provide in-depth and persistent coverage of the point(s) being made. What you were saying, being only based on your own personal opinion, and experience, might be true, but it is not verifiable- and unfortunately therefore, is an unencyclopaedic addition. So, until you can provide reliable sources for your changes- and, if you don't mind me saying, discussing them with your fellow editors, the situation you found yourself in two days ago will likely repeat itself; with, perhaps, increasingly grave consequences. Anyway, thanks for the (somewhat energetic!) note, and happy editing for the future!  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  17:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I see now you have been blocked by User:Bbb23, which I guess is unfortunate if not unsurprising. Well; you may read this anyway. &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  18:59, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Heh!
great minds think alike.Dlohcierekim (talk) 12:08, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Now it's more template than articel! :D &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  12:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The creator challenged my G12 deletion on my talk, and then announced recreating the thing. I had to follow the link. Dlohcierekim (talk) 12:31, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

RFC/N discussion of the username "Cantdecideifimgonnacollidewithhopeormakemybridetheropeorjusthideinthedope"
A request for comment has been filed concerning the username of. You are invited to comment on the discussion here. Linguist talk&#124; contribs 13:44, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Well it seems academic now ;) but thanks for this. I didn't read this before posting there, I'm afraid, so there might be some unnecesary verbiage. Cheers!  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  13:55, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

For posterity :) or posterior! "*This is the second UAA report, for the record (originally, apparently, it was not 'a blatant violation of the username policy'). More to the point, as I said on their talk page, is an absolute refusal to acknowledge the issue. That does not bode well for the future, username change or no user name change. &mdash; O Fortuna  semper crescis, aut decrescis  13:49, 15 June 2017 (UTC)"
 * Rename-- gives me a headache to look at it.Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Carmina Burana
Hi there Fortune, Empress of the World. The ESO is performing Carmina Burana this weekend. It's a helluva thing to see live. However due to a sudden bout of poverty I will not be able to attend :/ — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:18, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ow that's a shame, and I never have either (well, thank ** for YuuTube). Unfortunately, due to a bout of distance I won't get to see the ESO either :( very sorry to hear that. You would've thought they'd want to fill seats? Mind you- "Would the people in the cheaper seats clap your hands, and the rest of you, if you'd just rattle your jewelry"! Take care!  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  14:34, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * O fortuna!
 * Velut luna!
 * bishzilla   ROA R R! ! 14:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC).
 * H'mmm. When you turn up, I think you're after the dogs. Here, have a 🍔, 🍟, and something for after 🍨 &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  14:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I have talked to my banker and we have obtained some tickets in the cheap seats! Pity to sit with the plebs, we are normally in the dress circle loges!! it will be stunning — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Brillant! Handy to get on with your bank manager as well as you do,  ;) shame about the damn' proles, though, what what! No idea of kulcher at all!  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  14:42, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Call me uncultured, which should be obvious to anyone, but I sometimes actually prefer the cheap seats. The balcony can be quite lovely if you get the front row there and have more legroom. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:51, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * And the loge seems more popular than the dress circle? Perhaps they're closer. On culture, we used to have a verrry nice MP, this individual, who once (quite amazingly -but then, it was the eighties!]]), when being asked about homelessness, replied, "The homeless?  Aren’t they the people you step over when you came out of the opera?."  WoW!  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  15:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

wow
Nice catch.Dlohcierekim (talk) 00:34, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Crikey! "Wow" from me too, - I just saw four spammers all writing the same spammy article- don't think my acceptance from MIT will be coming in anytime soon :D but someone's done a heluva lot more work on it than me. Look at that lot! More meat that a butcher's :)  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  09:23, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

A move
Can you shed some light on this.Cheers! Winged Blades Godric 16:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * What gems history throws up! Yes that's sightly odd; I can't even remember it, tbh. Teddy Bears indeed. According to this, I suspected it of being a hoax; I but possibly what you mean, Blades, is why did take it upon themselves to move a sub-page into WP:DRAFT space? I should probably have removed the  tag when I moved it myself. However, it does beg the question as to whether the AfC Brigade is desperate for work, if they need to resort to pages like that.  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  16:54, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Such moves are built right into the AfC handing templates as suggestions. It's a cute article. I've not evaluated it's notability or accurateness. Legacypac (talk) 17:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The odd thing,, is that I moved it at 14:54, so I don't even have the excuse of being drunk. Hopefully.  Thanks for the technplanation though.  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  17:09, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * There is no doubt about the cuteness of the article! Though I have my own reservations about randomly moving user-space material to draft-space. As to the work-load of the AFC Brigade, the backlog of the submitted articles(currently 1834;AFCCON-5) is sufficiently high to keep the thoughts of developing non-submitted articles far away for a long-while! Winged Blades Godric 17:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ... for even the cutest of teddy bears ! :D   &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  03:50, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Richard Johnson Anglican School
Could you have a look at this and the possibly COI user editing there? Maybe engage her in a nice way if you think she is editing COIly? I don't feel as if I got through to her. Thanks, Dlohcierekim (talk) 09:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, we'll see. Hope all's well! (Sorry for the delay by the way- just been popping in and out of here today). &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  18:38, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

To Whom My Concern.
Hi,I Corrected The Things You Wanted Me To Fix.And,Can You Make My Bio Public?For When People Search My Name Up It Will Pop Up Please And Thank You.💯😎♥️ Roosevelt Harris-Williams (talk) 12:14, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No. Please see this page and this page for details as to why not. Briefly, however, Wikipedia user space is the place where editors can plan encyclopaedic articles based on neutral, third party independent sources. It is not a free web-hosting site for you to treat as LinkedIn to promote your C.V. Incidentally, those latter link go to the same place for a reason! Take care, &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  12:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

About Ben Gummer
Hi, it seems like you've reverted my edit of Ben Gummer. I've taken pains to remove vandalism such as 'Cheerio Cheerio Cheerio' inserted on the top of that page just to realize that you reverted that to the previous version with vandalism intact. Next time I'd advise you to actually look and read the edits someone's made rather than just revert it just because it was edited by a non-member. --Daffy123 (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I advise you to read WP:ES; a fruitful piece on the efficaciousness of utilising edit summaries. Your current rate, of less than eight percent in your seven years' tenure, is unacceptable. Many thanks, &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  06:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
 * PS: Of particular interest might be H:FIES. "Edits that do not have an edit summary are more likely to be reverted." Take care :)  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  06:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Hello User:Kido56- are you writing about yourself? Please see our guideline on autobiography: '.' If you are in anyway connected to the subject or receive any form of remuneration, then that too is a conflict of interest. In any case, the reason I moved your article into DRaftspace originally was- as my edit-summary said- because it was 'Clearly not ready for article space as of yet'- by that, I meant it was clearly not finished. Although I see you have worked on it since, in fact you have only added <80 characters of text. There are stil entirely empty sections visible. This is wholly unencyclopaedic. So, unfortunately, the draft is no nearer to articlespace than before. Sorry about that. Incidentally, is Canasta Fox male or female? You address them by both 'him' and 'her' in the article. Take care,  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  13:28, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for your suggestion and care. I'll continue to improve Wikipedia!

Nguyenledonghai (talk) 08:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC) 

Nonsensical Posts
Please do not in the future delete nonsensical complaints from my talk page. I can deal with them myself. Thank you for trying to help. What we obviously have is an unregistered editor who doesn't understand how IP addresses are used and who is quick to respond. If they continue, they may get a competence block. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:15, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You are meant to encourage IPs to register, not hope they get blocked. Still, your lookout- as long as it doesn't tie up too much volunteer time and energy of course. Cheers, &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  15:17, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

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Notes for Piers Morgan article
Ruby Tandoh calls him a 'sentient ham' when asked whether she'd be available to chat about making an appearance on Good Morning Britain.

NPA
Even though that was probably meant as a joke, it was an NPA vio. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:16, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * sorry, could you clarify? What was a personal attack? &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  08:23, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, that! Well, I got it from . I think the point is that he did actually say that, so it's more of a statement of undeniable fact rather than a personal attack. But, yes, it was stil indeed lightheartedly, as you say. &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  08:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's okay. Lighthearted, but still. No worries. And you got that from Iridescent? Hmmm. I guess because Wales is famous, he's fair game to some. But of course, saying "Princess....Dianna" would upset many. And certainly, nobody would say that about Wales because he had been uncivil to others. That would leave the poster without a leg to stand on. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:33, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to ping Iridescent, it's habitual. Yeah they mentioned it a while back. Here: 22:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC). &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  08:38, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * (TPW, but seeing as I've been mentioned) @Anna Frodesiak, it's not a personal attack to point out that Jimmy Wales's practice/preaches ratio is famously low when it comes to civility. (As FIM has already pointed out, "Utter fucking bullshit" is a direct quote.) Lest we forget, we're talking about someone who got up on stage at Wikimania and preached a sermon advocating that those he considered "toxic personalities" be kicked out of Wikipedia (anyone who was around at the time is well aware of to whom he was referring), who's admitted in the relatively recent past that he maintains a personal deathlist of editors against whom he has a grudge, and who's uniquely the only admin on Wikipedia who's banned from using the "block" button owing to his use of the tool to further personal disputes. (Technically, he "decided to simply give up the use of the block tool permanently", but that was very much a jumping-before-being-pushed exercise to avoid the negative publicity that would have stemmed from the desysopping that was otherwise inevitable.) If he were a normal editor, he'd have long since been community banned as a crystal-clear example of a WP:NOTHERE tendentious editor. (As a point of reference, these are his last 50 mainspace edits at the time of writing. They stretch back two years, and include outright incompetence like Articles for deletion/June Swann.) &#8209; Iridescent 14:16, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Some chartreuse for you

 * Thanks (belatedly), that's very refreshing :) International Medieval Congress yesterday. It would've come in handy! And whiiiich also is why I seriously need to cut down on-wiki time and do some actual work!  &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  12:48, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, I just saw this again post archive, and realized that Wikipedia as a whole heretically refers to things post-1453 as medieval! The outrage! TonyBallioni (talk) 06:04, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

RfA

 * You seem to have prophetic powers. I would have been quite satisfied with 110 - 10. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  22:11, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Peace and blessings be upon him — Paleo Neonate  - 23:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and best of luck in your new "career"-!
 * And, PN, bless you my son. &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  07:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

And, on a related subject, FIM I see you everywhere, closing AfDs, writing articles, closing debates and having a general helping of WP:CLUE. So, can you guess what my follow-up question to that is going to be? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I think before you ask any questions at all, I'd like to go and have a littl'un ;) deal?! &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  10:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I wish Ritchie would stop getting all our best editors to RfA so that they inevitably leave or is that the plan..  -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 10:31, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * At least part of is scratched into my mirror  :)  &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  10:37, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It's safety in numbers. Same reason if you get one estate agent on a street, they'll breed and soon there'll be 5 all next door to each other. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

ORCP
Hi there ma man. Hope you are well. I have watch-listed ORCP, and RfA talkpage among many others. Even though I have no intentions of becoming an admin past few RfAs and ORCPs made me wonder where do I stand stand as an editor; an not as an RfA candidate (we also had a user in RfA and ORCP with around 700 edits).I rarely comment in SPI (and most of these comments are useless lol), I don't do it so it would look good in my RfA. I watchlist a lot of users, most of which end at SPI, and I watchlist their SPI casepage as well. I also like the feel of "investigation" lol.Back to the original question again: how am I as an editor? :) PS: I always thought you've a knack for digging up in history. :) That's why I'm asking this question particularly to you. Kindly ping me while replying. Thanks a lot. — <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran (talk)  14:48, 22 August 2017 (UTC) Basically, as I dont have a goal to become an admin, or any other "particular" goal; my contributions are sort of scattered, and may seem random. Basically, I am trying to "improve the enwiki in ways that I can (that I am familiar with)" so yeah, it is as broad as it can get. My activity has decreased again, but when I was active, my contributions through NPP/R made the scope even more scattered.And yes, this contribution is going to be my most popular one I think lol. But that article needs a lot of work, and so time too. Time is something that has turned to be a very scarce resource for me. That is also the same reason for my increased automated edits. I think, in recent past, most of my semi-automated edits were done while reviewing new pages. Even though I know templates for almost all of the maintenance tags, it is a lot convenient to use Twinkle for that. And sometimes when I am free, but not in mood for "writing", I choose Huggle. It has been increasing my auto-edit count. Thankfully, these are the only automated edits that I do. No AWB, or AfD listings ans similar stuff. As I dont have the goal to run for RfA, I get a lot of mobility. I am not "obliged" to contribute to closing RfCs, AfD stats, or the expected areas; yet I can contribute there whenever the situation calls for it. For now, I am thinking to stick to only NPP/R, WP:SPY, and WP:MAFIA. NPP/R tends give out a fair amount of knowledge, editing skills, and CSD/AfD stats. Whereas the two wikiprojects are good for content creation in old articles, as well as for creating new articles like Draft:National Photographic Interpretation Center, and Robert M. Huffstutler. But because of the secretive nature of both these wikiprojects (espionage, and organised crime), getting reliable sources is very difficult. I have been trying to get more RS for Robert's article since ages, but I have been unsuccessful so far. PS: You should take a look at this: User:Usernamekiran/sandbox3.Thanks a lot again. You taking time out for my request, and then putting your observations in words means a lot to me. See you around. — <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran (talk)  13:15, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey no problem. Thanks for those words. Although it's possible that it makes me sound arseholy too :p Now, first things first, if someone really wanted a dissection of their editing history, the best person I can think of is (extremely) firm and (pretty) fair. I've seen it done; it's rather like an autopsy dissection, but, ultimately, it's better to know the worst rather than the best, wouldn't you agree? But for my overall, at a glance, impression: although your account was created back in 2012, your edit history only really exists from January this year- the previous four years have less than fifty edits between them. So clearly that is insufficient tenure at this point (I'm kind of looking at this like an ORCP, in spite of what you said). Good use of edit summaries. Good quantity of edits, of which a good percentage are in article space. At the moment I see about a third of them are automated- that seems to be of increasing importance in people's deliberations these days. I think that's because it might indicate a reliance on bots, twinkle etc to do one's writing for one. But some decent content creation should see those fears away, and I see you've got a few decent articles under your belt (as well as substantial contributions to extant articles). And I'm sure this will be popular :) So that's all pretty good, just two things to suggest. One- obviously! -get more (the more is always the merrier!), and secondly, perhaps try and get a couple of GAs and DYKs out of them; they're rather symbolic, but they tick the 'content creator at a glance' box. And they emphasise your ability to write decent prose, which would ameliorate any concerns about use of automated tools. Minor issue with the PD stuff on one occasion; you were clearly correct, but t's probably worth covering yoursef from the beginning with that kind of thing (attributive edit summary, for instance)- that should pre-empt that kind of thing.
 * Only ~150 edits to the main admin areas (AIV, ANEW, RFPP, UAA)- and only eight to ANI. Now that's had balance to get right, and I'm not sure one can ever win really. If one posts there too much, one's a drama-whore, but not enough, and one's knowledge of essential admin processes can/will be called into question. so it depends very much on the quality of your remarks there- were they ultimately necessary, were they drive-by, or did they inflame a situation- see what I mean? Having said that, there's also signs of an interest in behind the scenes areas. Your CSD log isn't bad; but it's been rather augmented by those User:Prinsipe Ybarro pages last month. Just on that kind of thing, the log can be useful as a means of keeping track of articles. For instance you tagged A7 onto Nitesh Yadav, which was certainly fair enough at the time. However, you seem to have missed a trick here, where the speedy was removed by the creator. I daresay being a fifteen-year old App developer is a credibe claim of significance though, and I make no judgement who was in the right. But be mindful that that's the kind of thing an RfA will probably pick up on and ask you to justify.
 * Also, in your original request you mention an interest in investigations and the whole murky world of Operation Phoenix WP:SPI, why not get involved in that? I think- and I'm not as sure as I know I should be- but I'm under the impression that they generally need clerks there more than they need admins on most days. You might think about putting your name down at soe time in the future. Although unfortunately just watchlisting pages isn't enough to demonstrate involvement, and with only ?two edits to the SPI case page, you'll need to get involved a lot more. As with so much around here, consistent productive involvement = a clear demonstration of competency. User:GoldenRing might be able to tell you more about that, as I believe he still does both. But to end on a (more) positive note, your talk page (and latest archive, which is as far back as I could be arsed to go!) shows good communication and a willingness to WP:ADMINACCT (which editors sometimes have a habit of forgetting applies when one caries out a quasi-admin duty, whether one is actually a mopper-upper). Barnstars from admins and socks?! -It don't get better than that ;)
 * Hope all this helps. Best of luck! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  16:15, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what it is I still do both of - if you mean SPI, my involvement is, and always has been, very occasional. GoldenRing (talk) 08:09, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the review. It is very helpful, insightful, and humorous as well. But I would have used the word "nosey" instead of "arseholy".

A beer for you!
Tack så mycket, ! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  09:50, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Väl bekomme! :-) --bonadea contributions talk 12:38, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

A Giant African Land Snail for you!



 * Congratulations FIM! Very well deserved. True individuals are becoming increasingly rare around here. Regards, Simon a.k.a Irondome (talk) 21:01, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * And thank you Simondome ;) very kind. Comparisons to MASSIVE SLUGS always welcome on this page :p !!! &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  09:38, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Kittens, cheeseburgers, bubble tea..baah. So passaye (sic). Those days are gone. From now on the presents I give will come from the miracle that is WP commons. Giant African Land Snails make affectionate and loyal companions. Just put plenty of paper down. Seriously, you deserve the accolade mate. Regards, Simondome Irondome (talk) 16:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

You removed my request for help
Hello. My account has been wrongly blocked. I asked for help on the ANI page and you removed my request for help without giving me any reason. I am unhappy about this because I had previously been a good (although sporadic and sparse) Wikipedia editor. For example, I got a Rosetta barnstar for one of my translated articles. But now I am unable to login or edit. It says it is because I am a sockpuppet but that is so not true, and if I can't ask the admins for help or even an explanation, that is really demoralizing. Please let me know how to get my account back. My account is Beth Holmes 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:1e01:5100:4c25:5b0a:70fd:bf67 (talk) 07:17, 2 September 2017‎
 * @/2a02:c7f:1e01:5100:4c25:5b0a:70fd:bf67: If you want to appeal your block for (ab)using multiple accounts, you should log-in qith your original account, rather than continue to sock under an IP address. I'm afraid all that does is compound the issue, and not with any advantage to yourself. Incidentally, if you could please sign your posts and place them at the bottom of talk pages rather than at the top- I didn't see your message at all until some kind soul moved it down here for you. Cheers, &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  15:05, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

WP:FIM
I was coming here because I'm too lazy to copy the Google Books citation generator to my own user space, so I always find it on yours. I accidentally discovered this lovely redirect. Enjoy. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:37, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well thank you : an entire WikiProject devoted to how much of a ******* donkey I really am :D well found- I beat a few tps wish they'd got there first! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  16:07, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * And what a simply dashing shade of pink it is too! :p &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  16:12, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:THEOTHERFIM -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 16:41, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Spot on, TNT. I was thinking WP:THENOTORIOUSFIM could work as well. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:00, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:THATSNOFIM? -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 17:05, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "Who is the mre foolish? FIM... or those that follow FIM..." :p :D &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  17:10, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:THEFASTANDTHEFIMOUS (okay, I'm stopping) -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 17:13, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

About PES 2018
Hi Fortuna, u reverted my edit in PES 2018 article , and u say that i have no source , so what the picture in the same article contains ???!!!!! TDLWH (talk) 10:57, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, please remember that images are not used as sources. Cheers, &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  11:35, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Block
I'm really tired of all this. There's nothing left to debate. Everything I said to Bish was wholly civil, reasonable, and pleasant. I simply don't understand how you can call someone a fuckwit, with no provocation, and not violate WP:CIVIL and WP:5P4. I simply asked a couple of question, didn't get much of a response, and apologized when they said it they didn't want to answer. And then the peanut gallery comes after me? And how is extremely subtly referring to someone's sock puppet history that they mention themselves, on their own user page, outing someone? And even if they didn't mention it, since when was past sock puppetting a secret? Nfitz (talk) 11:24, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Understood, Nfitz, but prob better to keep this on one page eh? It's OK, though, I don't blame you for asking, and won't tell any one. Take care, &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  11:35, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but I see you didn't respond on that page to the question of how revealing something that Ken reveals himself on his own user page can be outing. Nfitz (talk) 14:35, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * My fault; trying to turn a curry into something slightly more Slimming World for the other half atm :) Re. the outing suggestion, it's more based on the fact that you were told by Bishonen to not repeat the claims, whether they were accurate or not. In other words, don't do something just because you can. Incidentally, you may also note that when I proposed a block, I did not suggest a duration- that was a deliberate ommission on my part. Cheers, &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  14:40, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I was told what? When? Where? In AGF, I haven't seen that comment - or if I have, I completely failed to grasp the meaning. Nfitz (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Bishonen's only made 3 edits on that ANI thread since I first subtly mentioned that; and I don't see any thing about not repeating it; based on the close timestamps, I'm not actually fully sure she'd even read my comment before her last comment. I'm perplexed what you are referring to. I don't think I was even aware of that history the only other time I've had a discussion with Bishonen (or anyone) about BMK ... gosh half a year ago. Nfitz (talk) 20:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother you again, but it looks like my strategy of trying to stay out of the ANI discussion, and let everyone sort things out is failing. As the only place the current proposal is going to get us, is a lot of pain and suffering for weeks to come, I'm going to have to put together a proposal. However, the one thing that bothers me is your comment above: it's more based on the fact that you were told by Bishonen to not repeat the claims, whether they were accurate or not. What are you referring to? I checked that there was nothing recent. And that there was nothing back in March (which is no surprise, as I didn't even know about anything until just after that discussion ended when I noticed his backstory). Am I totally blind here, or did something else happen somewhere that I've completely forgotten? I ran some searches, but nothing popped. Feel free to post in the ANI thread if you want transparency - I'd ping you from there, but I'm already in trouble for bludgeoning a discussion, that I've I've mostly stayed out of (except apologizing to Ken, and then his reaction) for 2 days. Nfitz (talk) 23:01, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

From AN
No way are which personal attacks? What Samsara said? Or what VM said? GoldenRing (talk) 09:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sloppy lingo, sorry, clarified &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  11:05, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In what sense is questioning someone's "competency about you being an administrator ... possibly an editor too" not a personal attack? Or calling someone an "opportunistic WP:BATTLEGROUND warrior with a grudge"?  Both unevidenced, mind.  GoldenRing (talk) 11:27, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Uh uh, replied on ANI, where we started. &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  11:36, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

- I'd also like to point out that WP:ACDS says "Prior to placing sanctions that are likely to be controversial, administrators are advised to elicit the opinions of other administrators at AE". Given that I was NOT the only one to question Samsara's actions - indeed, I wasn't even the FIRST one to do so - and their use of the tools ( four FIVE other editors User:Chris Howard, User:Snooganssnoogans, User:NE Ent, User:Only in death and User:NorthBySouthBaranof raised the exact same concern) I think this very much falls under "likely to be controversial" (and the ensuing back and forth has shown that to be indeed the case). The proper thing here, if you really believed this sanction was appropriate, would've been for you to file an WP:AE report and ask for it there.

Also, I'm still trying to get my head around how you think that an admin telling another user (a user who has been editing since 2004!) "do you actually have an edit to make, or are you just arguing for the sake of it?" is NOT a personal attack (at best it's just obnoxiousness and rudeness, and definitely unbecoming of an admin) but saying "Competency about you being an administrator obviously" (which itself was just providing an explanation for another users claim of incompetency) is a personal attack! Is it the "if an admin says it it's not a personal attack but if a non-admin says it then its banhammer time" kind of thing?  Volunteer Marek  15:08, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. Are you talking to me or GR? -as I was under the impression that I was one of the first to criticise the sanction and to note that your comments were not, in my opinion, a personal attack. So I'm a little confused. Take care! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  15:15, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry, yea that was meant for GoldenRing.  Volunteer Marek   15:36, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Curve (company) page help
Hey, many thanks for reviewing the page I created and edited - Curve (company). You tagged the article for speedy deletion and it was subsequently removed - please note I had forgotten to disclose it as a paid contribution. The company, Curve, is my employer, although I am not being paid specifically for creating the page - we felt it should be created because the company is notable, has received significant media attention over the past two years, investors include global banks, and the company has over 75,000 customers. A number of similar-sized companies in the sector are already documented with live pages on Wikipedia, which are more promotional and not as well cited. I'm new as a Wikipedia contributor and would love to learn - I had hoped the page content was sufficiently neutral and backed by citations, but please do let me know which of the content was not factual enough - will be happy to amend. If you could please reinstate the draft page, I will update with the paid disclosure. Many thanks! --Cgm101 (talk) 13:41, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this Cgm101. I see you have posted the same message at the deleting administrator's talk page, so I'll keep this brief. Yes, the article was deleted as being fundamentally promotional, that is containing little of any encyclopaedic substance but rather of sole interest to shareholders, etc. It's notability is called into question by the fact that you are remunerated for your edits (if indirectly) and its reliance on poor sources. Also- FYI- your suggestion that you will put up a paid-disclosure notice in return for the restoration of your article is not how it works I'm afraid, as you are curently in breach of Wikipedia's [WP:TOU|terms of use]], and there is no quid pro quo for agreeing to them. Cheers, &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  13:52, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying, really appreciate it (especially as a new contributor). I strongly contest the statement that the page contains little of any encyclopaedic substance, and does not demonstrate notability of the company: as set out in the guidelines you link to, evidence of notability can be shown through "evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media". The 30+ sources cited in the draft demonstrated significant attention from mainstream national, international and indeed global media (including Reuters and CNBC); and the quality of sources was very high - predominantly citing some of the world's most widely-read news and technology media outlets, as well as trusted sources like Crunchbase. I also contest the notability on the basis of the depth of that coverage, and the independence of those sources - both said to be primary criteria. There was a section including awards (all cited by good sources), which may have been deemed promotional (although other live pages host similar sections), and I would be happy to remove that section. I also understand your point regarding no 'quid pro quo' - I am simply trying to do the right thing and adhere to the site's rules. I would appreciate you reconsidering the company's notability, and as a result helping me understand what I should do next. Thanks again! --Cgm101 (talk) 16:28, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi - any feedback on the above, please? The notability of the company is without question under the site's rules, and was overwhelmingly demonstrated. Can I be given the chance to submit a draft with the 'awards' section removed, leaving an entirely factual and neutral draft submission? --Cgm101 (talk) 15:03, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * --On a slightly different note, without delving into the merits of your article and/or arguments, can you could point out the articles that, in your opinion are much weakly sourced/less notable but has an article. Winged Blades Godric 18:56, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey sure. As a few examples: N26 (bank) is very poorly cited, with half of the sources being the company's own website; Square, Inc. has an entire introduction with 0 citations; Revolut has two entire sections with not a single citation; Stripe (company) uses less than half the number of citations as my draft page to show notability; Zopa is lacking citations for multiple statements, is badly structured and includes overly promotional material (including company logos which serve no encyclopaedic purpose). None of these compete with Curve, but are in the same industry. I'm planning to help improve these articles myself, but first I'd like to understand why a better-cited article on Curve (company) which shows more notability cannot be allowed to be published. Thanks!
 * Seen. Winged Blades of Godric On leave 14:26, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Nice one, much appreciated- always a pleasure working with you! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  15:43, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Various
The size of this page is ridiculous. Have you tried editing it from a smart-phone? I have asked the MiszaBot to help you.

Please remember that if you tag a page for deletion and that page is transcluded, then you must bracket the speedy tag with  otherwise the transcluding page will also land up in CAT:CSD. In this case the tag on Articles for deletion/Cheeki Breeki (2nd nomination) sent the relevant AfD log to CAT:CSD.

I see you have lived in Leyton. Is your present home close enough for you to come to Penderell's Oak this Sunday? If yes, I look forward to meeting you. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:51, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, yes that whole AfD thing was a complete cock up- I duplicated an existing one- but thanks for sorting it. There from lunchtime? &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  07:25, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * So jealous! Alex ShihTalk 15:35, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Jealous of the fact that i get to be bollocked in person by RH, eh ?! An honour indeed ;)  &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  18:51, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, is there going to be a live broadcast? I would seriously tune in (eager face). Alex ShihTalk 16:50, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't be fooled by RHaworth's online persona, I've met him in real-life and he's a complete lovable softie :-) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:22, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

My talk page
Thanks for you assistance. It's much appreciated. The user has been blocked for 24 hours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BilCat (talk • contribs) 19:52, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail!


Kostas20142 (talk) 08:29, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Many thanks again, but I haven't changed my mind since you asked a similar question a while ago :) thanks though. Happy editing, &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  08:48, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You mean you don't want a week of probing, vaguely related questions and thinly veiled personal attacks? (on a personal note, you should run) -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 10:50, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Uuurgh,well, obviously the week of probing sounds fun :o  ;)  &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  11:11, 8 September 2017 (UTC)


 * , WP:ADFIM? TonyBallioni (talk) 14:05, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Very good.. I'm sure FIM is delighted by all this talk page attention  -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 14:08, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, absolutely, to the extent that it's certainly making that template look increasingly tempting. &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  14:12, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think if he runs, everybody will try to probe as deep as they can. But i am sure he will get the box easily. — <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran (talk)  02:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVII, September 2017
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 23:33, 8 September 2017 (UTC)


 * For The Bugle editorial team, "History" began in 1914 :D &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  10:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Gregory's Chronicle
The article Gregory's Chronicle you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Gregory's Chronicle for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Caeciliusinhorto -- Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 19:02, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

AEVI International GmbH Response
Hi Fortuna, We have been paid to contribute this particular article. We were unaware of the COI policy prior to posting. I have now included the disclosure on our user page using the paid template. Please can you advise on the next steps regarding article submission? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adastrauk (talk • contribs) 11:51, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Articles_for_deletion/Kilcoole_gun-running
Did you notice that I had relisted it the previous day? Also, the main problem with merging to two targets is that the corresponding redirect could only go to one target.  J <i style="color:#137412;">947</i>(c) (m) 19:18, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I think it ulikey, that not withstanding your excellent relist (which unlike many actually justified itself), the discussion had stalled some time ago, and the only subsequent opinion proferred was somewhat vague; "merge to a bigger article" did not address the fundament of your relist; and I felt enough weight had been given to the targets I closed with. As to the redirect- true it can only go one place, but information is bounded not by time or space :) take care! &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  10:30, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu
The article John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hawkeye7 -- Hawkeye7 (talk) 05:21, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Question
Hi! I've just started to put together my first page on Wiki, but it's been marked for speedy deletion. I saw that you were the administrator who deleted it, so I was wondering if you could take another look and see if I fixed the issue? I deleted all "puffy" wording and it should be completely unbiased. IPVanish has a similar page (although less content), so I think I should be okay adding the VPN to the encyclopedia? I'm not trying to promote, just describe the service. Thank you so much! Shelbypaiget (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, thanks for the note. Just to clarify- no, I'm not the deleting administrator (or, indeed, any adminstator)- I just only tagged the page for speedy deletion. Administrator Haworth was in charge of the operation. still, I can give you a couple of suggestions, if yould like. Firstly, the article itself was written in a promotional tone, when all articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Secondly, your account. You do appear- with all respect- to have a vested interest in thihs company. I'm afraid, on Wikipedia, that is deemed to be a conflict of interest, and it is very much disfavoured to edit articles when you are personally close to the subject. Further, if you have such a connection, you must declare it. In particular, if you work directly or indirectly for the organisation, or otherwise are acting on its behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. Regardless, if you are paid directly or indirectly by the organisation you are writing about, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Shelbypaiget. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: <tt>  </tt> . If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message. Incidentally, the fact that other articles have not (yet?) been deleted is unfortunately irrelevant: for this particular concern, please note that other stuff existing is not a reason to keep anything else. Mind you, there are far more experienced editors here than me, so there's never any harm in a second opinion. Best wishes, &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  13:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hm, yes, my name getting thrown around is never a good sign. I can't see the page, but FIM is rarely wrong on such things., I take you at your word that you thought the piece was neutral, but the thing is if we are connected to something "just describing" it often turns into promoting it. In real life, I'm quite good at writing neutral sounding promotional pieces for my clients: heck, there is a whole industry devoted to teach people how to write marketing speak that doesn't sound like marketing speak. The question I always advise people is this: if your article was included on the English Wikipedia, the 5th most popular website in the world, would it be the most significant coverage it has ever received? If the answer is yes, as it often is for editors who are connected to the subject, then unfortunately the article doesn't belong on Wikipedia. If the answer is no, then someone else will write about it. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:10, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

User:Abdullah.rajpot
I hope you don't mind, but I traded your db-spam tag for a copyvio tag on this user page since there's less of a judgment call for the admin on copyvios. -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  14:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't we trust our admins to have that judgment then? (Although in a few cases...!) But FYI, have you tried ? It brings 'em both up. Thanks for the message in any case. Cheers,  &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  14:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of John Clifford, 9th Baron Clifford
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Why the page has been deleted?
Hi ,

I am not sure why the page as been deleted,. I did follow exactly the same format of a Wiki page and still didnt work. It didnt contain any promotional or advertising materials, it was strictly facts and events.

Instead of just keep on deleting the page, can you please point to what is being done incorrectly?

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markadams1 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Markadams1, has probably answered all your questions, but thanks for looking in. Cheers, &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  07:35, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for the !vote of confidence ; nice subtlety of phrasing too :) take care &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  10:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Holiday

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Your draft article, Draft:List of Nymphaea cultivars


Hello, Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "List of Nymphaea cultivars".

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VE
Hi, I'd appreciate more details on your report. VisualEditor/Feedback can guide you or host your report. TY Elitre (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me. What prompted my question was: See this, this, this, and this edit? They were meant to be one edit- hence the original full edit summary and the subsequent irritable ones. But, having deleted all the cruft etc. The VE didn't save the edit as I crafted it; rather- three times!- it only saved a portion of it, and I had to make subsequent edits to complete. See what I mean? I wondered if it treated a mass-removal of material as vandalism or something; but although it's happened to me before, I'm sure there are plenty of occasions where it *ain't*. Thanks for your attention, . Take care! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  16:03, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I attempted to reproduce the issue and failed, as in, I think I managed to make in one edit the 4 edits you linked to me (including the weird edit to the music section, you fixed that later). So since this can't be reliably reproduced, if it happens again, maybe try and provide more details (browser + version, Wikipedia skin, OS) along with steps to reproduce. Until then it could be just a weird temporary glitch, as I am also not finding it reported elsewhere. We certainly want to hear about it, so make sure you use the page linked above to tell us all about your experiences, in case. Happy editing! Elitre (WMF) (talk) 11:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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Discussion at User talk:Yunshui
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Homerladimo
Just noticed your cmt here. . Thanks, but I had no problem with your blanking the page rather than leaving my speedy request. The closing admin agreed with you. I probably would have just blanked it in the first place myself except that I'm sure I've seen this identical fake user page article associated with Homer Ladimo before, but I can't find the previous username. I'm wondering if this is meant as an attack page. As long as it stay gone I'm happy. Meters (talk) 05:18, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Hasty/bitey tagging
Hi there. Just noticed this tagging of yours. Do you really think it's in the project's best interest to tag someone's draft while they are still actively working on it? Wouldn't it be better if you left them a nice message explaining in which direction they should go instead? Regards  So Why  13:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * technically, that account should probably be softblocked as a role account. Without totally invalidating your point, I don't know that a g11 is all that unreasonable, given the circumstances. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 13:54, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks point taken about the rewrite (with a stretch of the imagination!)- not edited in 20'- considered it in the context of the A3 etc embargo. But strictly still on holiday so probably shouldn't get involved: Interwebs intermittent to say the least. Hope you're well. Thanks for those points too . &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  14:07, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I'd also suspect an off-Wiki copyvio source based on some of the wording and formatting choices. Earwig is coming up clean, but based on the role account nature it's highly likely that they have access to offline documents here. Nothing we can do about it without proof, but something worth factoring in when weighting everything. In general though I agree with SoWhy on drafts, though the MfD people routinely call me overly cautious, so take it for what it's worth. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:09, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Possibly, possibly, but considering the potential biting, being too cautious is preferably to being too aggressive. As for role accounts, that's probably correct, however unlikely to have been deliberate. I'll leave them a message. @FIM: If you are on holiday, why are you editing so much? Get outside, enjoy some fresh air! Regards  So  Why  14:21, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep. The concern is usually though that the rights holder doesn't understand what they've just agreed to. Even if they're fine with their private marketing stuff being on Wikipedia most aren't likely to be fine with their competitors being able to use it, which they would be. Anyway, enough giving FIM notifications whilst he is away ;) TonyBallioni (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As indeed I would, Ballioni, but difficult for me to calculate worth when having no understanding of value ;) cheers! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  14:14, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed, indeed. Also, tell the missus-IP that I enjoyed "meeting" her on my talk page a few days bazk. Enjoy the holiday. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Not wishing to pile-on, but if SoWhy hadn't declined the G11 on Draft:Hop Stuff Brewery, then I would have - the "mission statement" is POV, but the basic facts are not and can be easily verified via a quick news search. In general, G11s should only really be put on drafts if they've been declined multiple times and really haven't got a hope in hell - at least then you've got some sort of vague consensus. Happy holidays. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:19, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I always appreciate the old "don't wish to pile on / proceeds to do so" gags. It's England mate. Bloody rain! Take care all. &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  14:32, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * So you are saying the air is freshly washed? Sounds perfect, not the old stale sunny air we have here. Regards  So  Why  14:38, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * (ec) Yes, but of all the things you had to tag, it was a brewery in London. Call yourself a real ale enthusiast SMirC-crazy.svg <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:39, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Ferrers, 4th Baron Ferrers of Groby
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Editor of the Week
User:FriyMan submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * For his 8 DYKs, 6 GAs, and many articles created and expanded, for the beer on my talk page, for countless reports to WP:UAA, for being humorous, for keeping civility, for just being an excellent person to look at and learn from, for his nearly 40,000 edits and 4 years of service, for work on deleting spam user pages, for work put into the milhist wikiproject, for constant support, for a constant will to discuss, and for a trillion other different reasons, I nominate Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi for the Editor of the Week award.

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Thanks again for your efforts! Lepricavark (talk) 19:26, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks sorry to hear you're handing in your Eddy Badge. I was your last eh? Talk about going out with a bang :D  take care, &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  11:09, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Congratulations FIP. Thanks for all your work here at the 'pedia and enjoy your week!! MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, very well deserved! --MelanieN (talk) 00:19, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * +1. Indeed. One of our very best all-round editors. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Hope you like this! Cheers, Friy Man  Per aspera ad astra  02:56, 28 August 2017 (UTC)


 * That was certainly a surprise. Honest injun, my instinctive reaction wasn't "rv trolling" :p Ha! But seriously, very kind all, many thanks- now get on wit' yer work!!! 🤘 🐶 🍔 Cheers!* hic * &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  11:09, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * So, I hear you are personally responsible for this escapade! You should be indeffed for such poor judgment ;) but, seriously, thanks very much for the very kind words. It is humbling to have so much faith placed in one. За здоровье! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  11:09, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, let's say that you are the one who introduced me to the wiki and I will never be able to thank you enough. See you. Cheers, Friy Man  Per aspera ad astra  11:36, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way, Fortuna, take this as well, if you want this kind of entry from the hall of fame - . Cheers,  Friy Man  Per aspera ad astra  12:41, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice one, now the Dogs can follow me to the bottom of the page :) Thanks for this1 &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  13:42, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of John Clifford, 9th Baron Clifford
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FTFY
Here: WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham. Just get rid of the nowiki tags, add your nomination statement, then transclude that onto WP:MHACR and you should be good to go. We need to find a way to make to make that easier! All the best, HJ Mitchell  &#124; <span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?  19:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much HGM, both you and Anotherclown sorted it out nicely for me. Appreciated. &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  16:04, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of John de la Pole, 2nd Duke of Suffolk
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John de Mowbray, 2nd Duke of Norfolk
I've left some initial comments on the GAN page. As I see you're away on holiday (v. enjoyably, I hope) I haven't put the review on formal hold: I'll keep an eye on it, and perhaps you might also ping me when you have had a chance to consider my first observations.  Tim riley  talk    16:48, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you back in circulation yet? Let me know when you're ready to return to the GAN discussions.  Tim riley  talk    19:45, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

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Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham
G'day. If you feel you have addressed all the outstanding comments from the now closed ACR then there is nothing in the A-class procedures that would prevent you for re-nominating it and I encourage you to do so. All the best. Anotherclown (talk) 08:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much - apologies for ignoring you, I think my talk page filled up excessively and yours got lost. Still, extremely rude all the same, and I'm sory about that. Anyhow, I've taken your suggestion (at least, tried to!) on board, and renominated, but yet again I think I have completely ballsed up the procedure. &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  17:05, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries at all and no apologies required. Would you like some assistance with renominating the article? I'd be happy to give it a shot for you (or see if one of the other co-ordinators can help if need be). Anotherclown (talk) 00:53, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello again - I jumped in and had a go at nominating this for you assuming you would like to move forward with it (sorry if I'm wrong about this I will undo if need be). The review has been started and is here: WikiProject_Military_history/Assessment/Humphrey_Stafford,_1st_Duke_of_Buckingham. Would you please be able to add a nomination statement there? Thanks again. Anotherclown (talk) 01:08, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for that- very very kind. I'll do that now! Cheers, &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  08:19, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Editor of the week

 * Congratulations! — Paleo Neonate  – 21:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Talkback
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DYK nomination of John de la Pole, 2nd Duke of Suffolk
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Your close at ANI
The close is "Apparent behavioral problems at Holly Neher and related pages." The discussion is archived at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive964. Since you've involved yourself in the possible arbcom discussion at Articles for deletion/Holly Neher (2nd nomination) and the discussion at ANI was markedly unsuccessful both in identifying a problem much less in resolving a problem, do you think you should restore the discussion and revert your close? Unscintillating (talk) 02:00, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. No, since it's been well archived and dealt solely with that particular issue. Your next step is to open a fresh thread at the noticeboard, and link to the old discussion, as is customary when cases are revisited. Note that the ArbCom only hear cases which have exhausted all their other proper venues, so you may feel your case will be strengthened by lodging a new complaint at ANI. Cheers, &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  09:25, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Obviously no support from me for this plan. If you intend to take this to ARBCOM, then just do it. Reference the AN/I case if you think it will help your case. The only reason to unarchive would be if Paul McDonald themself wanted to relitigate the case, otherwise it should remain closed. Re-opening somebody else's unproductive case is counterproductive. If you want an AN/I case of your own, then start one. You gave the best reason possible not to relitigate the case with; the discussion at ANI was markedly unsuccessful both in identifying a problem much less in resolving a problem. Yuh, the problem was Schro said fuck; the fuck you want us fuckers to fucking do about that? Mr rnddude (talk) 02:24, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Please revert this
This was nothing approaching vandalism, so WP:DENY does not apply. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:48, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

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Discussion mess
I don't know, this may not have improved anything. In my opinion your clarification should have been a reply to my comment. Maybe you could edit your !vote again, but I'm otherwise not sure how to fix this under the rules. ― Mandruss  &#9742;  12:46, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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WP:AN
If you keep making sense at AN, in addition to providing some reality and levity, you'll NEVER make admin. This is just a warning. Drmies (talk) 03:23, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


 * At ANI, though, you've got a couple of things wrong. First, see DEFCON -- you definitely mean DEFCON 1, not DEFCON 5. Second, your latest comment might be in the wrong section? MPS1992 (talk) 12:39, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thaaaanks  :) that section was really wierd; it looked like it had disappeared, and when I went back to copy it from the edt screen it was nowhere, then it reappeared. Bizarre. As to your first point... You mean I definitely need to watch WarGames again!  ;)  &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  12:45, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Jesus, FIM, will you get your DEFCONs straight? I mean, imagine if you were the US president and you gave mixed up signals about nuclear war?  E Eng  22:00, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Fucking hell. I'm over qualified!!! :D &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  22:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It would seem not. Sorry to break the news, friend. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Just in the number of screws loose maybe :p  Night! &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  22:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

On a scale from one to even
I literally can't. Is there precedent for TBANNING someone from starting polls and RfCs that are purposefully designed to be meaningless? G M G <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk   12:21, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * What say you, ; up for the abolishment of the Ref Desks as a time- and resource-sink that prevents expansion of the empire 'pedia?! &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  13:21, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * When I eat Italian before bed, I have fever dreams of nominating the ref desk for MfD. But more than that, if you have to preface a (let's face it) pseudo-RfC with "this is explicitly the wrong forum" ...well... someone somewhere didn't think things through quite enough. Somewhat like starting a 15 part non-binding RfC on an ArbCom decision.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk   13:26, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, the betacommand thing? I didn't really get involved: it had already drawn the wrath of User:Iridescent down on my head, as lightning bolts from the sky, etc :D As far as time sinks go though, I agree it's in good company. &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  13:35, 11 October 2017 (UTC) &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  13:35, 11 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Umm... It was a nice attempt trying to leave a usurpation request on a pt.wikiquote user page. But as the bot points out, you're gonna hafta go to Steward requests/Username changes. Whatever the username was on pt.wikiquote, it looks like it was renamed too (since global contribs gives five edits, but the edit history there gives nothing), but it doesn't look like it was renamed to the same target, and judging by the messages at User talk:Bagman~enwiki, it may not have even been the same user.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk   14:19, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Wot bot? &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  14:24, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That one.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk   14:26, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Usurpation..
Would you wish to change your mind about your usurpation request? I for one, find your current-name to be a lot more interesting and appealing! And, even if you're changing your user-name, why not choose something better?Regards:) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 10:25, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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