User talk:Serpent's Choice/Archive 4

Shared Universe FAC
Just saw that you're withdrawing; I think that's the right choice. I am delighted to hear you're going to work on expanding and improving it though; this kind of interaction is not a failure -- that's how article editors discover more material to put into articles. I'd be happy to take a look at a major revision of the article when you get there, if that would be useful. Good luck with the research and have fun with it. Mike Christie (talk) 21:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

What does this mean?
In January you proposed the following language at: Talk:MFD

"longstanding essays, guidelines, policies, and projects are typically marked historical and deprecated in lieu of actually literal deletion" (or something like that... What does "deprecated" mean in this context? I've asked at WikiProject Council where we've been discussing inactivity in projects generally - but nobody seems to know, at least if they do they're not saying so.

Please respond on my talk page. Thank you. --Doug.(talk • contribs) 19:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, since my post above I did review deprecation and got an inkling for the concept. The referenced discussion has now been centralized (see cent for the location) as it was going on in four or five different places at once, including MfD and the WikiProject Council.  If you are interested, your comments would be appreciated.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 19:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

It's now a deletion review
I'm alerting all of the editors that took part in the the deletion debate for the article Adult-child sex that it is now a deletion review, as seen in this link. I felt that you may want to lend your voice about this topic in its deletion review as well. More on what may happen concerning this topic is discussed here. After reading that, I'm sure that I won't have to tell you to watch for it being put up for deletion again, if this deletion review doesn't come out as Overturn and delete. Flyer22 21:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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Re:AFD comments
I see you were a contributor to this AFD about 2 hours ago. I've revamped the page, but I fear it still may be deleted. Best regards, Rudget . 19:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out. I know most users wouldn't. Rudget . 22:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I do what I can; that's what I'm here for. I'm still not 100% sure what I think of that article.  I'm reasonably certain that some, if not all, of those sources are in fact reprinted press releases and thus invalid for sourcing, but we'll see.  I'm too far out of my field of expertise to help more -- this time.  Serpent&#39;s Choice (talk) 22:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Redirect-acronym
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Episode arbcom - talk page tagging
Regarding your evidence at that arbcom case, it is possible for WikiProjects to index and sort redirects. See Category:Middle-earth redirects for examples (try to ignore how many there are...). You are correct though, that edit warring over articles tends to miss out the talk page, which may end up with a missing tag. Good point. By the way, it seems that Category:Episode redirects to lists has caught on - well, at least TTN is using it. Carcharoth (talk) 05:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, an even better reason not to completely strip wikiproject tags from redirectified content, in my opinion. Serpent&#39;s Choice (talk) 02:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Tom Sotis
Thanks for fixing the close--this was my first attempt at closing something! JJL (talk) 17:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries, I think I botched my first one too. Serpent&#39;s Choice (talk) 17:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment at Articles for deletion/Law in Star Trek (second nomination)
Thanks for the input, there is also the option of converting the article to a stub, could you comment on that? Tim Vickers (talk) 00:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been bold and cut the article down to a stub. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome
Serpent, I am more than happy that you are bringing your efforts to the Gold Plates article. Do not interpret anything I say to the contrary; however, being an active editor for a while I have grown a bit short with editors that are not interested in improving Wikipedia, but rather pushing their own religious views. I would hope that even you can see that some of the editors are anything but objective and are motivated by their personal ax to grind.

There is some surprise that an article that has already become a FA is now deemed so bad as to need significant improvement. What is the goal afterward? How does it become "better" and who judges this improvement?

The application of balance appears to be both arbitrary and highly subjective. In a religious topic what is a balanced approach? Is this policy only applied when someone disagrees with a specific religion or is it only applied to wherever topic is a minority position? I still have not heard of the value, in the context of a religious topic, of saying that others don't believe it. Isn't this obvious? It seems like I am beating this horse into the dirt, but no one seems to answer. I'll let it go. Regardless, I look forward to working with you. You may want to review some of the other LDS articles; you will find a plethora of resources. --Storm Rider (talk) 01:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the conversation. I knew when I FAR'ed golden plates that I was entering into sensitive territory.  I've tried to read through some of the article and talk histories, and I'll certainly agree that not everyone who has participated has been pleasant -- and this doesn't even seem like one of the "visible" topics!  But, as to the need for significant improvement, that's what got me involved.  The FA process isn't perfect.  Sometimes things get promoted with a bit more or a bit less rigorous examination.  That's one of the important aspects of FAR, cleaning up articles that got promoted ... but probably had a little more work to do.  In this case, the article really stuck out for me when it hit the main page.  Simply put, I don't think its FA quality right now.  These things, sadly, sometimes happen, and the FAC for golden plates only had something like 3 comments, making it more likely here.  I was initially struck by stylistic problems: repeated quotes, quote density in general, overuse of certain words and phrases.  The dependence on primary sources is also a concern; there are other FAs that are very primary source-heavy, but its far from encouraged, doubly so when secondary sources exist.


 * And that's what got me concerned about the NPOV aspects. The plates are very unusual for a religious topic both because they are very recent (for a religious document of their impact) and because they are described as physical objects with a very long ascribed history, recovered from a real-world physical location, transported between several real-world locations, and witnessed (to varying degrees, and with varying plausibility) by a not-insignificant number of people.  As a result, quite a bit has been written about them by scholars who do not believe they exist.  Obviously, some didn't have much to say other than to write Smith off as a fraud and Mormonism as his followers' delusion ... but, especially in the last twenty to thirty years, the topic has been treated with increasing complexity outside the faith.  But, under other circumstances, you'd be right.  In another article, for example, we wouldn't reference someone who said, "Well, actually, I don't think he killed a demon with an unstoppable bow and then flew home on a magic airplane."  But authors in peer-reviewed journals aren't writing that kind of tripe here; they are making legitimate observations about, and, often based on the nonexistence of the plates.  In an article about them, that's important.  Serpent&#39;s Choice (talk) 01:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, white nose syndrome, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 23:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Kerafyrm AfD
I found dead trees that talk about it so you may want to change your opinion. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Dance Mixes
Surely if the information is "wholly incorrect" then it can be fixed rather than speedily deleted? I didn't see anything there that was "nonsense", copyvio, or any other reason that qualifies for speedy. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

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