User talk:Sfsorrow2/Archive 1

Image notices
For your convenience (and the convenience of people looking at your talkpage, I'm moving your old image notices to this archive subpage. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Constantinople-Baghdad Railway
Hi, it would be very useful if you could let me know the reference you used for this page, regards sbandrews (t) 16:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * ok thanks, then it was maybe E M Earle, Turkey, the Great Powers and the Bagdad Railway (1924). I'll drop by the energy policy page later, regards sbandrews (t) 10:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Very Large Vehicles of BC
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Speedy deletion of Rhine River Steamer
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Speedy deletion of Detroit Engine Company
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Statistics to 2008
Electricity: 
 * production 3.979 trillion kWh produced in 2004

Electricity - production by source:
 * fossil fuel: 71.4%
 * hydro: 5.6%
 * nuclear: 20.7%
 * other: 2.3% (2001)

Oil: 
 * production: 7.61 million barrel/day (2005 est.)
 * consumption: 20.03 million barrel/day (2003 est.)

Proposed deletion of Energy future of North America
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AfD nomination of Energy future of North America
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Articles for deletion nomination of Rainbow Lodge
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Speedy deletion nomination of "Twelve-foot" Davis
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The beauty of the trees, the softness of the air, the fragrance of the grass, speaks to me.

The summit of the mountain the thunder of the sky, the rhythm of the sea, speaks to me

The faintness of the stars, the freshness of the morning, the dew drop of the flower, speaks to me.

The strength of fire, the taste of salmon, the trail of the sun And the life that never goes away, they speak to me.

And my heart soars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.23.169 (talk) 21:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

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Christmas Card


Merry Christmas At this festive time, I would like to say a very special thank you to my fellow editors, and take the time to wish you and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year. And, in case you can't wait until the big day, I've left you each three special presents, click to unwrap :) Acather96 (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)





steamboats
Please remember to add some sources right away.  DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

why ? that's your job !


 * No, it's NOT his job, SFS, not at all. I was already coming here to tell you "please sandbox this stuff before you put it in namespace", ie. make it into an article.  You post t hings without proper formatting, even categories, and quite frankly they could be legitimately deleted fairly quickly.  This is an article I've been meaning to get at starting for a long time, if not having ot put out fires all over the place, in Wikipedia and elsewhere - including picking up affter you.  Please start respecting other editors by not expecting them to provide citations, formats, categories and proper layout as you're supposed to do.  Otherwise keep stuff like Steamboats of the Lower Fraser River and Harrison Lake on User talk:Sfsorrow2/Sandbox and invite other editors to help you write/fix it and guide you to do it properly; you're wrong in various assertions in this article, e.g. teh focus on IRving and Moore, without any mention of Hugh Nelson or Frank Barnard or Wells Fargo and the situation that led to the demand for steamboat service, and why it went up to Harrison Lake; the Skuzzy shouldn't dominate the article so much, it's not really "the Lower Fraser" (i.e. above Yale isn't "the Lower Fraser").  But your attitude stinks, as much as I respect your knowledge, and it's becoming a pain...uncited, and rambling like this is, it's really WP:OR, WP:SYNTH and WP:Essay - and could rightly be deleted.  I'm irked because the intro as it is now doesn't have proper historical context - about the economics, the route, the geography, the rivalries between different captains and companies and the deal between Barnard and Nelson, the details of the first vessels on Harrison Lake, the Riffles etc etc etc, various explosions etc etc etc.  You've put in place something that just isn't an effective timeline, and - from my view - far too perfunctory.  And no, I don't have time to fix it right now, nor do I have time for the type of smart comment you made to the other editor above, nor do I have time to give you a (big) list of rading materials you should absorb before sallying forth on an article, without even caring to place "See also" within th necessary equals marks to make it a heading.....lazy, lazy, lazy, and now rude.  Look, do me a big favour and DON'T start on the Kamloops and Shuswap one, OK/  I've been picking up far too many unneeded taskss around Wikipedia, including ones you've launched (deliberatlye for others to fix), to have time to do it.  And I want to do it properly.  And when the time comes I'll probably rewrite this whole thing entire; uncited and unformed, it shouldn't have been published.  Keep stuff in the sandbox until you've learned enough to play with others to make it work, before expecting them to clean articles up for you because you can't be bothered....Skookum1 (talk) 06:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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April 2011
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Big Hill
06:01, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

11:26, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Steamboats on the Volga River for deletion
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re: your message
Hi Sfsorrow2, I've replied to your message on my talk page -- Marek. 69  talk  03:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Parana River steamers for deletion
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Regarding Volga Steamers, and other contributions
Hello Sfsorrow2 --

I understand that you are frustrated regarding my recent nomination to delete the Volga River Steamers article. Please don't take this personally. WP:NOTABLE lays out the criteria for when we decide that a topic warrants its own article. If you can explain how Volga River Steamers satisfies these criteria, then there should be no problem, and the page will be kept. Also, I've noticed that a large portion of your work does not cite any sources. Please take a look at WP:V, which states that all information added into Wikipedia needs to cite a reliable source. Let me know if you have any questions, or need help with anything. I know it's confusing, and is very different from how you might write in other places, but with an open encyclopedia, it's very important that we maintain strict limits on what type of information gets included, so that Wikipedia remains a credible resource. Again, please take a look at WP:NOTABLE and WP:V, and let me know if you have any questions about them. Best wishes. ~ Mesoderm (talk) 03:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sfsorrow2 -- It seems that you know quite a bit about steam boats, and I'm sure you have a lot to contribute to Wikipedia. Please try to calm down and understand where I am coming from. Anyone can edit Wikipedia. Most people (like yourself) are interested in including factually correct information. Some people are not. To deal with those people that are not, we require that everyone provide reliable sources for ALL of the information they include in the article. We do not accept the publication of original research here. I would love to see your wealth of knowledge on steamboats be used to improve Wikipedia, but it must be done in the right way. I would love to help you do this. But I need you to work with me, instead of getting angry at me. Please take a look at the pages I've linked to here, and then come to my page if you have any questions or comments about it. I really don't have anything against you, and can tell that you know a lot about the subject, but you just need some work on how you include the information here. Cheers. ~ Mesoderm (talk) 04:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, if you want to see an example of how an article on steamboats could be written that adheres to the policies I'm talking about, take a look at Steamboats of the Columbia River. Note that there are several reliable sources that talk about the subject, which shows that it satisfies WP:NOTABLE, and that the statements in the article each cite one of these sources. Do you see how this is different from your Volga River Steamers article? (If not, I don't mind explaining it to you further). ~ Mesoderm (talk) 06:01, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Istanbul ferries
By now you should know not to leave an article in the state you left it. Go back and add some specifics and some references. Presumably you have a source available, so use it. Perhaps you may have written the article to support the photograph, but it really does need some expansion. I advise you to fix the problem before the article gets nominated for deletion by a regular deletion process. If I can help you further, let me know on my user talk page.  DGG ( talk ) 04:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Seattle tugboats


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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.68.6.12 (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.68.6.12 (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of D. June & Co. for deletion
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