User talk:Sgbhagwat

Kiran More
Hello Sgbhagwat and welcome to Wikipedia. It's good to see you here. I hope you like it and decide to stay.

Thank you for starting the article about Kiran More. But I have to warn you that you can't just copy text which you've found somewhere else on the web, because of copyright laws. We have to write all our own material.

Thanks very much. I look forward to seeing some more edits from you in the future.

Stephen Turner 10:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Mr Turner:

Thank you for your advice on my article on Kiran More. I had in fact attached a link to the article from the source.

Similarly, the article on Vishwamitri River. You have put a copyright notice on it. If you have noticed, here too I have displayed clearly the source of the article and acknowledged it. Is acknowledgement not sufficient ? I belive that nowhere on the web is such detailed information about Vishwamitri available. And coming from the City of Vadodara through which the river flows, I did feel that the information on the website the source of which I have acknoledged as CROCODILE SPECIALIST GROUP NEWSLETTER vol. 21, no. 3, July-Sept 2002, pp. 9-10— WWW Edition http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/natsci/HERPETOLOGY/NEWSLETTER/news213p9-10.htm is such that the people who refer to Wikipedia should know about. There are not many rivers which pass through a heavily inhabited place have as many as 70 crocodiles. And mind you, in the last 40 years I have lived in this city, there is not a single instance of a crocodile harming a human being.

I am not a researcher on herpetology and I would not be in a position to write about the facts which I thought Wikipedia ought to have and I thought acknowledgement of the source of the article is sufficient compliance with copyright laws. If not ....... my apologies go to the CROCODILE SPECIALIST GROUP who had published this article.

I again thank you for the advice.

Subhash Bhagwat, Vadodara, India


 * Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately, the law doesn't let us copy material from somewhere else without permission. Acknowledging the source isn't enough.
 * What you can do for articles is to describe the results of the research in your own words. You can say "In October 2001, [some group] counted the number of crocodiles in the Vishwamitri River and found 70 crocodiles in only 25 km". Then you can acknowledge the original article in a References section at the end of your article. As long as you use your own words rather than copying directly from the source, that's perfectly legal.
 * Have a look at Copyright FAQ for more about this.
 * Stephen Turner 09:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Turner.

Thank you.

After reading your note above,I felt that I should seek permission from the owners of the material for its publication on Wikipedia. I again went to the website. I did not find a copyright notice on the site. On the other hand I did find the following :

EDITORIAL POLICY - All news on crocodilian conservation, research, management, captive   propagation, trade, laws and regulations is welcome. Photographs and other graphic materials are particularly welcome. Information is usually published, as submitted, over the author's name and mailing address. The editors also extract material from correspondence or other sources and these items are attributed to the source. If inaccuracies do appear, please call them to the attention of the editors so that corrections can be published in later issues. The opinions expressed herein are those of the individuals identified and are not the opinions of CSG, the SSC, or the IUCN-World Conservation Union unless so indicated. (http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/natsci/HERPETOLOGY/NEWSLETTER/news213p19-21.htm#Requests)

I wonder, whether this makes the information on the website public domain which can be published without prior permission ? I am however writing to the organisation separately for seeking permission.

Subhash Bhagwat


 * Asking them for permission is a good idea, but even if they say no or don't reply, you can always rephrase it in your own words. In general, copyright applies to all writing, unless the author explicitly says that it's in the public domain. If there's no notice at all, it's copyright. Stephen Turner 09:22, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Turner:

I have a reply from the publisher of the web page. They have advised me as under:

Rather than copying it verbatim, you easily could summarize the information and provide a link to the original CSG Newsketter article. You should also could contact the authors and forest conservators named in the article for information on the current status and any changes that have occurred in the last 3 years.

I have therefore rewritten the material and kept it in the temporary page to which I was directed to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishwamitri_river/Temp

Since I am in Vadodara City, I will certainly find out out more about status changes that may have occured in the last 3 years.

I do not know whether the original article is to be deleted by me or how it is to be done. The article as it was originally may please be deleted and replaced with the article on the temporary page. S G Bhagwat 13:49, 23 November 2005 (UTC)