User talk:ShadowTao

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Please read What Wikipedia is not. There is no "voting", it's called you don't put play by plays in plots, you stick to the basic summaries, while keeping text as "to the point" as possible. If something can be written in half the space, that's how it's written. This isn't a "tight" game, or "who writes the most artistically", it's about being to the point. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, that means we write about the films, not about what happens in the films. The only reason we have "plot" sections is to provide relevance to something else about the movie (i.e. the production). Please note that Wikipedia policies are not "guidelines" but mandated principles. Bignole
 * It wasn't "grammer" clean up, you added information that was needless to the summary. If it was just "grammer" than why did the size of the section increase so? It wasn't some simple comma additions. Comparing what was there to what you added, you added lots of verbose text. Verbose means text that unnecessarily makes sentences larger, which is what you did. Just remember that you started this "reversion" so you'll reach your limit before me. There is no "voting" on text. If you not Wiki rules you'll know that Wiki is not a democracy. Bignole 03:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If you didn't "add anything" like you claim not to, then how to you account for these size changes in the paragraphs? ,,. Bignole 03:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * First, you said you didn't add anything, not you didn't add to the plot, which by the way is the same thing. Did you add something, did the plot get larger, yes. This wasn't some better choice of sentence structure that caused the wording to just 5 words, entire paragraphs grew several lines when you were adding. Secondly, saying "After brief discussions, Hicks orders the dropship..." is verbose, in that you can just as easily say "Hicks orders the dropship.." You do not need the first part (hence the definition of verbose, which is unnecessary words that make a sentence longer). You being specific with something things was unnecessary since their additions didn't do anything for the summary but add space. A necessary addition was when the summary originally didn't explain why Gorman was in activating a grenade; the addition was that he was "now conscious". Here's another, you said "Gorman rejoins the team, now as a subordinate,..." The part of that which isn't relevant is his status in the team. The only important thing to say is that he's awake now. Where he is on the team is irrelevant to an encyclopedia. Bignole 04:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As for "reverting", I initially was just editing out things that didn't need to be there, I didn't revert you. You reverted me first, and have done some 3 times. I have recently used my third revert. So, if you feel the need to do so a fourth time you will violate the policy. Bignole 04:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't revert your entire edit, go back and looks. I kept many of the things you put in. I also chopped out a lot of things in one edit, which made it appear as though I reverted you. It wasn't a revert, there were clear edits in what I did. Bignole 04:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Compare my initial edit to the plot before you came. I didn't revert your sentences, I rewrote them to be less verbose (since you don't like that word, we'll say that I rewrote them to be more to the point). As for "only 3 words", I'm not going to go through everything you added and detail for you what doesn't need to be there. You can read my edit as I did it. Bignole 04:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, please learn what a 3RR is. It means you get 3 reversion, upon the 4th reversion you are subject to be reported and blocked if deemed necessary. I have reverted YOU only 3 times, and you have reverted me 3 times. My initial edit was nothing more than that, an edit as I didn't revert you but was merely rewriting sentences, as can be seen when comparing my sentences to the original plot before you came. Bignole 04:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * See the Aliens Talk Page for your discussion. Bignole 04:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * First, actually try and read what I wrote. I didn't say YOU did. I said by YOUR definition you would have also violated the rule. Secondly, on your talk page, and on the edit summaries, I didn't accuse you of violating it, I warned you not to violate it. I never once said "you violated the 3RR, you will be reported". Also, I do believe an Admin (William Connelly) has decreed that I did not violte the 3RR, and that my initial edit wasn't a reversion. Bignole 15:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Can I suggest something? Point out examples of what you think is wrong with the passage. Look at the ones I made; feel free to criticize these as well. However, as an editor, you need to learn how to produce constructive criticism. I assume good faith that you and Bignole are trying to involve the article and have different ideas about how to do that. Do you think, though, that spouting your view that the writing is "5th grade level" is going to help any kind of cooperation? Please be civil. I've had my share of tussles with plot sections, but I've come to realize that it's just Wikipedia. It's not going to make or break the world if the story isn't written this or that way. Just be objective and focused in discussion about improving the content. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

How to proceed...
To proceed, I suggest you try WP:1RR rather than only just stopping short of 3. Discussion on the talk page is better than fighting a revert war William M. Connolley 19:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)