User talk:Shadowmoonstar

Hi - I just spotted your recent removal of a link from a website. While we don't need permission to post links to private websites (by virtue of the site being publicly accessible). You were right to remove the source, however, as it's no good without a password. Well done! Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry 02:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi -- This accusation is simply false:

''Again - this link goes to a password-protected page. The information it references was obtained through hacking (unauthorized entry).''

All information on It's all Relative - A Collaborative Genealogy Project has been public and is sourced in several other places on the web (e.g. http://tribalpages.com/tribe/ancestors?lname=BOND). No one hacked into the site and entry was fully authorized. When I checked its validity as a source, I did not have to do anything but type in a password -- "duncan" -- that the webmaster publicly provided on the homepage itself and encouraged people to use.

In fact, from what I saw, the home page invited people in, visitors, non-family, anyone who wanted to look around. I'm not sure why any of this information would even be online if it were, indeed, all private.

The fact that one of the family members -- Gareth Penn -- is reasonably famous should not preclude a public website from being sourced. That said, I'm not going to engage in an edit war over it. If Shadowmoonstar wants to reverse the entry, so be it. But the hacking charge is untrue and assumes bad faith that simply wasn't present. Zdefector 14:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Zdefector,

I would very much appreciate it if you would honor my request to leave the reference to my website off of this page.

As for your comment "I did not have to do anything but type in a password -- "duncan" -- that the webmaster publicly provided and encouraged people to use", I would like to correct/clarify. I do believe that you found the password to my Tribalpages site by going to my iWeb family genealogy website that had a link showing on the "public" page of the Tribalpages site. Nowhere else did I have the password posted for general consumption. My iWeb site is also a private site that was meant to be accessed by invitation only. I have since removed that link on my Tribalpages homepage as I was unaware that links I had posted on the homepage were visible/accessible to the general public. My mistake, but I have corrected it. Additionally I have changed the password (no longer is "Duncan").

It was never my intention to allow/invite the general public access to my site. If that were the case I would not have required a password for access! Several of my family members are concerned with privacy issues (ie: identity theft/access to their birthdates/birthplaces/photos) and I wish to honor their wishes to keep their information private.

As for my site being referenced by other sites, I know of no site that has referenced my site other than the one you have indicated. That particular site is another Tribalpages site - there is a feature that allows Tribalpages users to search for individuals on other Tribalpages sites that may have common genealogy. However, a password is necessary for other Tribalpages users to access other sites (if an administrator has chosen to require a password) to view details/information.

So, in conclusion, I see no advantage to adding a reference link to my website on the Gareth Penn Wikipedia page as anyone who would use that link (thinking they will be able to view information about Gareth and/or his family) will only see a generic front page (with no information about Gareth), and will not be able to access the private information on the site.

Thanking you in advance, K

Hello KE:

I stand by everything I said earlier.

But at your request, I will not re-link to your page. Additionally, I have removed some family names and a date or two that may have come from your page. Mr. Penn has written volumes about many aspects of his life, and that can be hard to separate from third-party sources like yours.

In the future, please don't assume Bad Faith editing and please do explain your POV (owner of website) before making a reversion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#Dealing_with_biased_contributors

Also, "Discuss edits" and "Make proposals" before joining Wiki, jumping in, and reverting.

Mr. Penn is, without exception, the most interesting personality ever involved with the Zodiac case -- and the less notable Joan Webster murder. Over nearly three decades, he has left a trail of intrigue I suspect will rivet readers, fans, and amateur detectives for years to come. Your excellent history presents a few clear facts in an otherwise murky forest, and I'm sorry to see it go the way of the password. Zdefector 00:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear Zdefector:

Thank you very much for honoring my request. I will check out the pages you have referenced.

Best regards, K