User talk:Shadowowl/Archive 6

Draft Dotto Rangimoto
Chomachoma (talk) 18:28, 23 June 2018 (UTC)Hellow Shadowowl

I read reasons that led my draft declined, i edited and submited it after focusing on the factors that led to the rejection. Its true the named person is Tanzanian poetry and won the said award. I removed other awards infomation from the article because of its source does not meet wikipedia policies, but about THE MABATI-CORNELL KISWAHILI PRIZE FOR AFRICAN LITERATURE I think its source is trustworthy and reliable.

BBC SWAHILI and VOICE OF AMERICA(VOA SWAHILI) Radios reported on Dotto Rangimoto awarded the said prize and they posted it on their websites, also Official website of CORNELL UNIVERSITY which is one of the sponsors of the prize posted it,  not only that, the well known and most widely read Tanzanian Newspaper, THE CITIZEN reported this issue.

Am new editor and i think it would have been a great benefit to the people if Poetry Dotto Rangimoto informations added on WIKIPEDIA, and I think these are reliable, independent and trustworthy sources.

I humbly wait for further improvements instructions of my article.

THANKS

Sultan Bahadar Aziz
I just reviewed that article (left it unreviewed actually) and substantially cut down on the puffery. Then I noticed that this had actually been declined at AfC by you but moved into mainspace by author regardless. Do you want to have another look now and see what you think about suitability now that I've removed most of the blow-hard religious and academic claims? Honestly not sure about it. Might work as a sports personality article now but I'm open to slapping more promotional tags on it :/ Cheers -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:38, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It does not look very good judging on the first 10 sources, and it comes close to CSD'ing it for A7.


 * Hmm. Thought so. Well, has shunted it over to AfD already, which I certainly won't argue with. Cheers -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:44, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Request on 09:54:51, 25 June 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by D3tessa
Hi, can see articles have been tagged for speedy deletion, for Black Crystal and fantasy Games ZX81. Please can the pages be reinstated so can edit them to resolve alleged copyright infringement.

I was not aware at all this would happen as part of reviewing for submission: happy to edit of course, but these articles are not even live, so please help me.
 * WP:REFUND -- &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  09:55, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

D3tessa (talk) 09:54, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Request on 21:01:11, 26 June 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by HipHopConnoisseur7
HipHopConnoisseur7 (talk) 21:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Request on 11:13:50, 27 June 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Footballtrivia00352
Hi, I would really like your help with this, to help make it sound more informatory and less like an advert. I hope you can help!

Footballtrivia00352 (talk) 11:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Films based on cartoons
Thank you for spotting that Draft:List of films based on cartoons was about to be deleted. As you saw I then dragged it into mainspace at List of feature films based on cartoons because draft space is such a hostile environment. Is G13 deferral any better respected than promising draft? I've changed List of films based on cartoons to be a redirect. I hope it can now be worked on rather than being resisted. Thincat (talk) 12:31, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * People adding promising draft templates do not check the article (I've seen bad and copyvio articles with that template) and G13 postponing at least keeps it for 6 months. Usually it doesn't get deleted after someone postponed it with a comment. It is always better than mass-tagging articles with a template that screams I think this article is great, and I dont care what everyone else says, because now it can't be deleted. -- &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  12:38, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Talkback
Robert McClenon (talk) 00:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Ram Jadhav page
Hello Shadowowl, Thanks for reviewing and giving comments. Per your comments, have removed the part which seemed like unsourced. For rest, sources are provided in the references. Also one point to note is 'natyaparishad.org' is an independent source - an organization of the Marathi dramatists and stage actors on the country level (India). It is supported by Govt. Of India for its work and contribution to stage art. Thank you and request to please take a look.

Thanks, rahulinpune100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahulinpune100 (talk • contribs) 10:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Moving article from personal sandbox without consent
I am not pleased that you moved Draft:Julia Pfeiffer Burns, Draft:Charley Smith (Cowboy) and Draft:51st Engineer Combat Battalion from my personal sandbox without seeking input from me first. The last two articles contain substantial amounts of copyrighted text which must be substantially edited before the articles can be published. It would be a waste of time for someone to review them, but you put them in the queue for review. As the two articles currently stand, they ought to be deleted if someone attempted to publish them. While Draft name space may be your preferred location for draft articles, there is no policy that requires it. As stated in WP:UD, Drafts in both userspace and the Draft namespace are acceptable. You have acted capriciously and without consideration for another user's preferences. You would have shown some courtesy if you had bothered to ask me before. I do not appreciate your unilateral actions. Please undo your moves. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 17:17, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, well. That explains the knots that the 51st Engineer Combat Battalion is tied in.  Substantial amounts of copyrighted material should not be anywhere in Wikipedia, whether in sandboxes or in draft space, let alone in article space, but should not be anywhere in Wikipedia and may be deleted from anywhere without notice or warning.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks a lot Shadowowl, you just got several days of work of mine deleted. Great job. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * User:btphelps - It wasn't your work, but that of the authors from whom you copied it, and you had several years in which to paraphrase it, but you were apparently using user space to host copy-pasted materials indefinitely. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:40, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, it was a work in progress, although not a priority on my part. While you may feel smug in your action deleting the draft, if you bothered to assume good faith and consider my contributions to WP, showing a smidgen of courtesy might have been appropriate prior to wholesale deletion, perhaps giving me the chance to immediately clean up the draft in my sandbox. I am not aware of a WP policy that prohibits non-indexed user drafts from containing copy righted content while under development, whether for one week or one year or more. All copyright policy I've read refer to draft or published articles. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:52, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Shadowowl, you moved other drafts out of my sandbox that are NOT ready for public Draft namespace. Please move them back to my sandbox. And then stay out of my sandbox. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 19:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I moved them into your sandbox, but they were deleted. -- &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  05:59, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Regarding, I am not aware of a WP policy that prohibits non-indexed user drafts from containing copy righted content while under development, please see Copying text from other sources. For the record, it says: Wikipedia cannot host extensive copying of non-compatible copyrighted material anywhere, not even in talk or user pages, not even temporarily.  There's some other issues regarding submitting somebody else's draft, which I've commented on here, but the copyright question is clear. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Draft:Howard Robert Johnson
Hello Shadowowl. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Draft:Howard Robert Johnson, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Draft has non-bot edits within the last six months. Thank you. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 00:46, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * FYI I reverted your delete, there were edits in the article in January, and it was declined in Feb. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 00:48, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is the second time in as many months that I'm seeing G13-related issues on your talk page. Please be more cautious in the future. I don't care why or how this is happening, but make sure it stops. Primefac (talk) 03:04, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

AFC reviewing standards
I have raised the matter of how Draft:Napoleon Oak (Lausanne) has been AFC reviewed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation. Since you were one of the reviewers I would be particularly interested to hear any comments you may have. Best wishes. Thincat (talk) 05:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 1953 Fukuoka marathon


The article 1953 Fukuoka marathon has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "An non-notable event."

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. In Memoriam A.H.H. What, you egg?. 13:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of 1953 Fukuoka marathon for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 1953 Fukuoka marathon is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/1953 Fukuoka marathon until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. In Memoriam A.H.H. What, you egg?. 17:05, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft: Turin polytechnic university in Tashkent
Dear Shadowowl, Thank you for your comment! I have done changes as you commented. If you don't mind, can you check my draft article again ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bakhtiyor7777 (talk • contribs) 05:50, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I have retired as AFC reviewer. Other reviewers can check your article. -- &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  16:39, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Formal mediation has been requested

 * You won't get your ad published by posting a request to arbcom lite. -- &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  16:40, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Unreliable sources at both Rudy Vallee Melodies and The Stein Song (film)
Hello. I saw your tagging at both Rudy Vallee Melodies and The Stein Song (film) for unreliable sources. I am writing to you to see what sources are unreliable. This is due to the citations in the articles being books written by high-profile people. Your help will be appreciated. Thank you. In Memoriam A.H.H. What, you egg?. 09:05, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Youtube is generally a unreliable source. Regards, -- &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  16:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I only cite YouTube for minor things, things I don't need another source for. For example, in The Stein Song (film), I only cite YouTube for things like characters, and release years, which are clearly in the YouTube source. I don't need another source for release year, as that is in the film, which is cited as a YouTube link. The rest of the article else is cited with books written by high-profile people. It's the same for Rudy Vallee Melodies. Regards.  In Memoriam A.H.H. What, you egg?.  17:55, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Omar Sharif (cricketer)
Hi! I wanted to check in with you regarding an AfC review I was doing for the above draft. I was about to decline because the article had recently been draftified for being one of a large number of low-quality BLP stubs with only Cricinfo as a source created by a single user (see: ) with no improvements made since being removed from mainspace. Then I noticed you'd resubmitted, along with several of the others, so I wondered if you knew something I didn't? Cheers, Basie (talk) 04:41, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * They were rotting in draftspace for G13. I CSD'ed the unsourced ones and submitted the sourced ones. Regards, -- &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  18:50, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

San Antonio International Airport
No, it was alright. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.75.131 (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Request on 09:57:13, 9 July 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Prithivikpm
Hello

My post on Lenin Bharathi is getting rejected multiple times and I am unable to meet the standards. Hence I am requesting assistance.

Lenin Bharathi is the director of Tamil movie. Merku Thodarchi malai and It has won many awards in Film festivals. I have provided all the links supporting to my posts.

Please help me how to improve my article and rectify my mistakes.

Prithivikpm (talk) 09:57, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Fear Factor (Australian game show)
Hello Shadowowl, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Fear Factor (Australian game show), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''I see no evidence that the editor was blocked at the time when this article was created. Being created by an editor who was destined to be blocked years later is not grounds for deletion.''' You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:41, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion there is nothing to stop you from restoring your PROD, if you choose to. Proposed deletion says that the ban on restoring removed PRODs "excludes removals that are clearly not an objection to deletion", which was obviously so in this case. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jamie Mueller
Hello. I just wanted to let you know I removed the WP:PROD tag on Jamie Mueller. The reason suggested for deletion was that the article had no sources; this is incorrect, as there were two general sources linked: NFL.com and Pro Football Reference. I agree the article needs additional citations and improvement. –Grondemar 21:39, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I may be blind, but I can't find those. Just the pro-football-reference external link. -- &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  22:12, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Request on 19:52:49, 14 July 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Edenarielle117
Edenarielle117 (talk) 19:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Edenarielle117 (talk) 19:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC) hello shadow owl

I already wrote to you explaining that the difficulty you found with the article on Thomas C Daffern was non existent: the material has been removed at once.. so can we go back to getting this article approved please ?

I note you are semi retired - what does that mean exactly ? does that mean I should be taking to somebody else about this ?

Is there anything else about the article you feel ought to be changed ? I know its quite long, but this guy has done a lot, which is why it deserves an entry on wikipedia.. I hope you will actually read the article through all the way to get the measure of his achievements

thank you,

Eden Arielle Edenarielle117 (talk) 19:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Deleted
Ok. Could you please delete the article. Thanks. Fighting12 (talk) 23:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello. I cannot delete articles. You can however request deletion of your draft yourself by adding to it.-- &raquo;  Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  10:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Nominations for deletion
Please note that the state of sourcing in articles is typically not a valid rationale for deletion as per WP:NEXIST. Articles that lack sources or are unsourced do not automatically qualify for deletion, with the exception of unreferenced biographies of living persons. You have nominated articles for deletion lately that lack valid rationales for deletion. See WP:DEL-REASON for examples of proper deletion rationales. Also, if you haven't already done so, please familiarize yourself with WP:BEFORE. North America1000 23:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok. So I should PROD them? But the problem is, if I PROD them, there is a high chance no-one will see it, and it will just get deleted anyway. I take an example : The Indian article that I AFD'ed, Charakonda. It would probably be deleted if I slapped a PROD on it. Because I took it to AFD, someone cleaned it up and made it a keepworthy stub. That made me AFD the articles instead of prodding. -- &raquo;  Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  00:15, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You can do as you'd like, but AfD nominations need to have valid rationales for deletion. For topics that may be contentious, whereby in part people are likely to disagree regarding the topic's notability, or disagree on other matters, AfD is the way to go in my opinion. Furthermore, as per WP:PROD, "PROD must only be used if no opposition to the deletion is expected." North America1000 00:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explaination! -- &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  09:40, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Pakistan Mazdoor Kissan Party
Hello Shadowowl. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Pakistan Mazdoor Kissan Party, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: previous AFD ended as withdrawn with multiple keep !voters, clearly not uncontroversial enough for speedy deletion. Thank you. SoWhy 12:43, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Hakia
Hello Shadowowl. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Hakia, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: notable co-founder, plenty of hits at GBooks and GNews - take it to WP:AFD instead if notability cannot be established. Thank you. SoWhy 12:46, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

RFC for articles you were involved in
I have opened an RFC for several of the Israeli cities that I think are un-encyclopedic. Therefore, I appreciate input from you as you were involved in trying to PROD or draftify several of the articles. Thank you. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 14:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Haris Čizmić
Hi, you tagged this for speedy deletion as spam (G11). I agreed and deleted it, but it has been brought to my attention that this article survived an AfD (back in 2006), so it was in fact not eligible for speedy deletion. I have restored the article and added "advert" and "linkfarm" tags. Let's hope somebody will clean this mess up... Thought I should let you know. --Randykitty (talk) 22:35, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've AFD'ed it. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:37, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Notification of RFC of stub articles about Norwegian mountain
I would like to inform you that an an RFC has been opened to discuss what should be done with the stubs of Norwegian mountains. I am posting this notice since you had participated in the AFD for the mountains. Therefore, if you or any interested page stalkers / editors would like to chime in, please make your way to the RFC now. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 01:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Patricia Teherán Romero
Hi Shadowowl – a few days ago you created the article Patricia Teherán Romero... unfortunately someone beat you to it at Patricia Teherán. As the latter was the name she was commonly known as (Romero is the second maternal surname that all Hispanics have officially, but she didn't use it professionally), I suggest boldly redirecting your article into the other one – is that okay with you? Richard3120 (talk) 17:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  19:57, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Javier Zapata
Hi Shadow... Thanks for bringing to my attention the situation about the Javier Zapata page. I wrote that so many years ago I honestly had no idea it even existed. I found information about his apparent Olympic participation at the 1996 Olympic games-I had no idea he had participated when I first wrote about him, hence that info was not on the article until right now a few moments ago-so hopefully that will help keep the article on wikipedia (it comes from olympic.org, which I assume is the official Olympic Games page)...thanks and God bless you! Sincerely yours, Antonio the sixth Menudo Martin (loser's talk page) 09:45, 10 August, 2018 (UTC)
 * This is enough to keep it. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  14:21, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Antony Coia
Hello Shadowowl. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Antony Coia, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Has already been discussed with deleting admin, G4 does not apply. Thank you. Sam Sailor 16:29, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

BLPPROD
Hello. What you can read at WP:BLPPROD is "To be eligible for a BLPPROD tag, the entry must be a biography of a living person and contain no sources in any form (as references, external links, etc., reliable or otherwise) supporting any statements made about the person in the biography." This means that you CANNOT put a BLPPROD tag on an article about a person that has a functioning link to an IMDb page about this same person, as you did at Beau Weaver or Roberta Weiss (except in the unlikely case where IMDb wouldn't support any statement). If you are unconvinced, look at Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people/Archive 7 Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 16:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Who the fuck decided that? IMDB is a absolute shit source and should be bot-removed along with Twitter and Facebook. EDIT : Ok, it is to make it easier to understand. I'll open AFD then &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  16:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC) &raquo;  Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  16:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion: Ulfur Hansson
Hello Shadowowl. I noticed that Icelandic musician Ulfur Hansson had an outdated wikipedia article for years, under his former moniker Klive. I wrote a new page briefly describing his work, and redirected the older article to the newer page, which you tagged for speedy deletion. Could you please advise on how to fix the article to avoid deletion? User:Zygosporangium User talk:Zygosporangium 12:30, 10 August 2018 (GMT)
 * Draft:Úlfur_Hansson &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  18:58, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Cabbagetown
Clearly we were both dealing with it at exactly the same time, each in our own way! I got a jolt when I saw the speedy tag, thought I'd messed up yet again. Anyway, I'm pretty sure speedy would have been declined for a page with such a long history. It's quite likely that all versions before the big edit on 17 March 2017 are OK, but I didn't have time to check that right now, so opted for WP:CP. Hope that's OK with you? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:03, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Blanking is allowed
per WP:BLANKING-- D Big X ray ᗙ  19:23, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I reverted myself. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  19:23, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Warren_"Slim"_Williams
From an Internet search, he appears to be notable. Is there any way to save this? Bearian (talk) 16:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC) See. Bearian (talk) 16:20, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Of all the refs included only 1 mentioned the subject. Others were all fraudulent refs and IMDB. It is A7 material. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:22, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

My suggestions to you based on the ANI thread
Hi, hope you are doing well.

Thanks for keeping your cool at the ANI. Some editors feel that there is a lack of WP:BEFORE in your AfD noms. I will not say if that is justified or not.

But I would say one should not only religiously follow WP:BEFORE WP:ATD but also should be seen by others following the same. May be just keep this in mind.

Decide over these suggestions and come up and Post at ANI on what you will be following. This will help improve your image at ANI that you genuinely are taking the critical comments in good faith and would like to improve over it. Please note that this is not a WP:BATTLE you will not loose anything by proposing your key takeaway from the thread at ANI, but will only win hearts at ANI.

Thats all I had to say, I am sure you know all of this already but I just felt i should re-iterate the same. I would love to see you continuing at AfDs. thank you.-- D Big X ray  17:19, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It is just the battle between (ultra)keepists, (ultra)deletionist, and people who are in the middle. I am no longer focussing on 1 creator, but am instead looking at the 11/12 year unsourced pages (like the JangoBox page). There is a lot of spam there, but let it over to Eastmain to keep the unsourced spam/hoax in Wikipedia. And when they vote keep, they bring promotional reviews and WP:NEXIST as argument. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:35, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking it in good spirit. No one is perfect, Thats human nature. I hope you will continue ignoring any personal attacks or "comment on Editor" instead of "Edits" on AfDs. I had seen that you ignored them few times, and hope you keep focussed on content. Keeps the discussion on track. -- D Big X ray  17:39, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Eastmain and James500 ignore WP:NOTGUIDE. I've removed the tourguide part, and I won't be surprised if it gets reverted. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:46, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Then your Nomination statement at AfD must include that it was written as such and you have removed the content following WP:NOTGUIDE. Makes the nomination statement more stronger. and leads to other editors "seeing" that you did your due diligence on WP:BEFORE-- D Big X ray  17:51, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've withdrawn it. It now has a source. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:54, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

User:Joe Roe had raised some very valid points on flooding AfD. Can you also put on yourself a personal restriction of not nominating more than X (you choose X) articles in a day. This is to allow you more time to search and judge if the article really deserves AfD or just a tag. may be in this process you can also improve some of them.-- D Big X ray  21:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I am no longer mass-nominating article's. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  21:24, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for clarifying that. -- D Big X ray  21:25, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

I read the ANI, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=853742445#Undoing_bad_nominations_by_User:Shadowowl and tried getting another admin to consider. Not a good one https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ansh666&diff=next&oldid=853740439 Are there any good admins at all? Ubehage (talk) 17:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I am going raise this again. You had to withdraw one nomination today and two others clearly fail any attempt for you to do BEFORE. I'm not going to take this to ANI, but simply ask you to stop nominating without doing BEFORE. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:51, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

(AfC) Requesting review for Draft:Moideen_Koya_K._K.
I believe I have brought this draft to a very acceptable state by following the comments from a few reviewers. I request you to please review the page and move it to the articles section. This is my first article and I am pretty keen on wanting to see it get accepted. Please let me know if it needs any more improvements. Thank you. Ubhasrk (talk) 08:16, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Oxygen Tower
Can you explain to me what the issue is with my page on Oxygen Tower?

I understand it is brief, but the project is still at a very early stage and I plan to update and maintain my page as the construction project progresses.

Otherwise I see no issue with my page on Oxygen Tower. Thecactusdan (talk) 20:24, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This article fails our notability policy for buildings, WP:NBUILD. Wikipedia is also not a directory. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  20:26, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Oxygen
I can edit the page and it's issue rather than just having it out right deleted?

Thecactusdan (talk) 23:28, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion - Momodou Ceesay (artist)
What was speedy delete nomination about? Momodou Ceesay (artist) is (at a glance) a plausible article with some work to be done reducing the quotations in the Career section. You nominated it as WP:G11, as if it needed a total rewrite and should be deleted first. The editor notified came to WP:Teahouse rightly confused here, which is how I saw it. that section one edit later and removed the speedy, but even deleting the section would be an obvious alternative to deletion, so I'm really puzzled here. &rsaquo; Mortee  talk 19:43, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * After graduation, Ceesay decided to pursue his true passion and he became an artist. says enough to me, add this to the deleted section and it was spammy enough. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  20:11, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Spammy enough to remove that sentence, or perhaps the section, not the article. CSD is for articles that have to be deleted not fixed. &rsaquo; Mortee  talk 20:16, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to add, I topic banning you from deletion and would so again, but in this case I think you've made a mistake. If an article can be easily fixed, it's not suitable for speedy deletion so it would be better to a) fix it, b) tag it, c) AfD or prod it. I hope you'll take this into consideration while you're doing the good work of looking through old articles with issues. &rsaquo;  Mortee  talk 20:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

My first Chapel of Virgin Mary of Sorrows, Beroun edit
Just part of some RBI of a long-term sockdrawer. DMacks (talk) 20:35, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Sourcing tags
Hi there. Quick question - I noticed that you've recently been tagging sources at a pretty rapid rate for having "unreliable sources". Was there a particular source or type of website you were targeting or something? It's not that I'm doubting your judgement or anything, it's just not readily available when its a blanket tag at the top of an article with lots of sources. Chmýří pampelišek has 10 sources, for example. I figured it'd be easier to ask than sift through 10 sources. Let me know. Thanks. Sergecross73  msg me  17:40, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Facebook. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:52, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. But Facebook isn't inherently unreliable or unusable. Don't get me wrong, I avoid it and only use it as a last resort, but per WP:PRIMARY, it is usable for plain, objective, uncontroversial statements. I don't think it's a good idea to slap that tag on top of every article that has a Facebook source in it, especially without any explanation given as to why you did it. Sergecross73   msg me  17:58, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Facebook is a garbage source. I'll remove the source instead of tagging it. Facebook should be used only 1 time in an article, in the External links section. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  18:45, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No, there's no consensus or precedent to treat Facebook like that either. Please don't do that. A better approach would be to add the or  tag right next to Facebook sources any time you feel that its being used outside of the scope of WP:PRIMARY. Please consider doing this instead, so people better understand what improvements you're requesting be done. Thanks.  Sergecross73   msg me  18:56, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, another question. Can Facebook sources be removed if there is another source supporting the statement or if the source doesn't link to a post, making it not supporting the statement? &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  09:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, as long as you confirm that the other, non-Facebook source present verifies the statement, or that the Facebook link doesn't given doesn't verify the statement, then you're fine in removing the Facebook source. Sergecross73   msg me  13:40, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Linkspam?
Hi,

can you explain what;s wrong with linking the songs in a voice kids article to their youtube videos? The article has like 80 hits a day, the (official) youtube videos mostly have millions of views.

This has nothing to do with view counts. It has to do with adding a second source in case the full videos get taken down. Also it adds convenience.

Regards, Clemens — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clemens Huebner (talk • contribs) 16:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, i am unaffiliated with the Youtube channel and the artists, so i have nothing to gain personally. Clemens Huebner (talk) 16:58, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Adding such a huge amount of Youtube links is no longer sourcing things, but linkspam instead. You don't have to get paid to spam links, people like you do it for free. It already has a lot video sources, which are primary sources. We don't need more in this case. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:28, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh well. For the Russian Voice, the TV channel has already removed the original broadcast files, so the articles are now unsourced. I have read the citation spam definition, and your interpretation seems more to align with your feelings than the rules. Oh well. Clemens Huebner (talk) 17:35, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Instead of using concealed personal attacks, please look at source 1,2, 3, 5, 7 and 14. Those are the sources we need, not spamming of Youtube links. And your comparison to the Russian one is absurd, as that one manages to be even worse. That is because the author of that article did not bother to add independent sources. &raquo;  Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:43, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Please be WP:CIVIL
There's no need for this kind of hostility. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no need to talk nice to vandals. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  16:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That editor seems to be in good standing. Regardless of his edits being vandalism or not. Note. Deny recognition and Do not insult the vandals -- D Big X ray ᗙ  16:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok. He has vandalised pages in the past, but I'll will not call him a vandal again. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  16:35, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Blank
Hi Unless, the user is blocked, I believe even IPs can blank the page. But I am not fully sure about Policy related to IP blanking its talk page. are you sure ? -- D Big X ray ᗙ  14:52, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * He can remove his warnings, but I leave the template there to point recent changes patrollers that they have to give a higher warning level. Blanking the page every time and not having that template results (if Huggle is used, for example) in another level 1 warning, and not getting reported to AIV after multiple offenses. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:44, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * it is my belief that Huggle checks out the template level from the page history and not the text of the page. because of obvious blanking reasons. but i have not confirmed it or tested this belief of mine. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  17:49, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So as you have seen, a user or an IP is allowed to blank the page. There are Page notice for example an IP from an education establishment is marked with a template. other than that anything else can be removed per the very definition of blanking. I agree that you have genuinely valid intentions but it will still be called editwarring. An IP has nothing to loose, you do have. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  20:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Marina Satti
Hi, I'm Doomsdayer520. Shadowowl, thanks for creating Marina Satti!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Thank you for developing the new article on Marina Satti. A different editor has noted that the article could be expanded with translated sources from Russian and Greek, if you're able. I also think that the article's content can be expanded with material from international news sources that have noticed her work. Here are some possibilities:,. Good luck.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:09, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It is a translation from the Greek page with some unsourced content removed. I'll look at more sources. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  18:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Declined speedy
Hey, just a heads up, I declined your A7 speedy nom of Mohammed Barhouma. The article does make a claim to the subject's significance; therefore it's not eligible under A7. It's better suited as an AfD candidate. Cheers, cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 19:26, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Christina Silva


A tag has been placed on Christina Silva requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. Natureium (talk) 23:35, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

La Manga Club
Why'd you restore the CSD tags removed by ?-- <b style="color:black">Dloh cier ekim </b> (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Because I felt A7 was correct based on the article, which had no claims to be significant except an unsourced claim that it has won a prize. I added G11 just because of the one promotional sentence there was. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:44, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018
Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with Christina Silva. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion, which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. Natureium (talk) 17:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You can have it deleted. I don't give a shit anymore when an article that can be expanded (And I would expand it, in fact, I did but you removed it) gets deleted and some trash article gets kept. This is double standards, as there are a lot of unsourced stubs that don't get speedied. &raquo;  Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:43, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you find an unsourced stub that fits the criteria for speedy deletion, you should absolutely ask for it to be deleted. Natureium (talk) 17:52, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:All_articles_with_topics_of_unclear_notability is full of these things &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  17:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Andrew Agar
Thank you for warning me of this - most of the player profile links links for Cricket Archive (which became subscription-only in May last year) have been replaced by and incorporated alongside links to the appropriate Cricinfo article for the same player - which are free to view. If you see any others which are similar to this, please let me know. Bobo. 18:37, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

CSDs
I have gone through and removed most of the CSDs you've applied recently, because they don't meet the CSD criteria. Please read WP:CCS and WP:CCSI before continuing to CSD article; and remember that CSDs should only be used for articles that meet the criteria, not merely if you think the article should be deleted. Being an unsourced stub doesn't necessarily mean an article needs to be deleted - they need to meet the criteria - (and see WP:ATD and WP:BEFORE), and articles that are over a few years old are very unlikely to meet the CSD criteria. If someone reverts a CSD you apply, you shouldn't generally revert back, because it means that deletion is not uncontroversial. Considering you've already been dragged to ANI over deletion, you should really make sure your tagging is accurate. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:57, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Regarding - A7 is for articles that don't indicate significance. Significance is a much lower bar than notability, and being the son-in-law of a very notable person and an husband of a notable person is enough for significance. Not only that, a very obvious alternative to deletion, of redirecting the article to Léopoldine_Hugo, exists, and per policy alternatives to deletion are preferred over deletion Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:24, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Shadowowl,, I don't know if Charles Vacquerie is fully notable by our standards, but I'm pretty sure that that is not something to be decided without discussion. There's a poem about/to him by one of the most celebrated writers of the nineteenth century – that's a claim of significance that can be made about very few people indeed. Please take the article to AfD if you think it should be deleted (or indeed redirected). (oh, and Shadowowl, please don't edit-war over speedy tags – once is enough for those, unless it's a G12 for copyvio.) Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * AFD'ed. I will not edit war about CSD in the future, I will afd instead. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  19:07, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Request on 00:53:25, 29 September 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Arthurf333
I don't quite understand your rejection and comments as all the content does not come from charts such as billboard and other charts, but from "print" Newspaper articles and industry articles with online links. Perhaps if you could tell me which references do not qualify I could understand your comment better.

Arthurf333 (talk) 00:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Please contact, as she was the last decliner. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  10:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 years for Blocked per request on my talk page. Appeal or ping me if you wish to edit sooner. Since this is the only reason for the block, there shouldn't be any issues. I wish you the best.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. The SandDoctor Talk 18:33, 29 September 2018 (UTC)