User talk:Shaft121/Archive 1

PLEASE READ BEFORE EDITING I AM ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE HERE TO ARCHIVE THIS PAGE!!!

"The above does not apply to the user's own Talk page, where users generally are permitted to remove and archive comments at their discretion, except in cases of warnings, which they are generally discouraged from removing, especially where the intention of the removal is to mislead other editors."

Now I am not intentionally attempting to mislead other Editors. I like to have a blank talkpage the same way I like to clear out my e-mail inbox every day. That's all I see this page as. Now as I am being generally discouraged from removing any warnings, I therefore see it as my right to remove them. Especially seeing as all but one warning are for the same thing (which is this pointless revert war). Now I am perfectly willing to accept that blanking this page will not hide my warnings, I know & I am not bothered as that is not what I am trying to do. I am also perfectly willing to archive the warnings (& the rest of my messages) onto a seperate page if you could tell me how. I just like to keep my Talkpage blank so that I don't have to wade through past messages to get a new message.

By the way, I am not a vandal apart from silly little revert war on one page. In the past I have attempted to be a helpful contributor creating & editing several articles relevant to me. I just don't wish you to think I am doing this for any other reason than me attempting to follow guidelines as best I can. I am certainly not 'thumbing my nose' at Admins. Thankyou - Shaft121 10:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Crewe
Thanks for your message about your reversions to the Crewe page. With regards to the Limelight reference on the page, it may be that admins will delete it - that is not my business and was a mistake on my part. I mistook the references to 'Chavviest Town' as vandalism of which there has been a lot recently on other pages. I apologise. Chevin 19:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Hey, there. With all due respect, you may want to consider that leaving hostile edit summaries or comments (e.g., "rv due to more pissing about by fanboys", or "some weird power trip by these people who have ordained themselves as the official Lost wikipedia editors") don't help your case, and tend to cause others to just disengage. Please see WP:Civil. I don't mean to get on your case, but I honestly think we'd all get further by continuing to have a civil dialog/discussion on the issues at hand. I'm sure you have strong feelings on those issues, as do we all, and it'd be helpful to hear your reasoning, rather than have those feelings come out in other ways as you let off steam. Please take this comment as constructive, because that is truly how it's intended. Thanks. -- PKtm 13:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

3RR Warning
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Jtrost (T | C | #) 21:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Danielle Rousseau
Hi. If you wish to revert this page, please use the talk page to discuss your reasons instead of inciting an edit war. Using the edit summary the way you have has not been at all useful, and sometimes violates the WP:CIVIL policy. Please do not use this page to spite other authors. There may be a point in the future where this page warrants its own article, but right now you're doing nothing to help. I will wait about a day before reverting this page again to give you time to cool down. Jtrost (T | C | #) 11:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Removing warnings
Please do not remove warnings from your talk page. Blanking your talk page will not remove the warnings from the page history. If you continue to blank your talk page, you will lose your privilege of editing your talk page. Thanks. – Tifego (t)05:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

48 hour block
hi, you've been blocked for 48 hours for violating the three-revert rule as reported here and incivility, including edit summaries such as rv to seperate page due to everyone pissing about like fairies. Please be aware that you cannot revert more than 3 times in 24 hours, and unconstructive edit summaries such as the one above are entirely unacceptable. --He:ah? 07:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC) Please do not remove warnings from your talk page or replace them with offensive content. Blanking your talk page will not remove the warnings from the page history. If you continue to blank your talk page, you will lose your privilege of editing your talk page. Thanks. &rArr;   SWAT Jester     Ready   Aim   Fire!  20:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk Page Edits
As this page should only be edited by me in such a way, I feel perfectly within my rights to edit it in such a manner. If you can point out any specific guidelines with regards to this, I will be more than happy to follow them - Shaft121 20:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Until very recently, it was on the official vandalism policy page that removing warnings is considered vandalism. It appears there is some disagreement as to whether it is vandalism, so it was removed from that policy page, but there is a concensus nevertheless that it is a bad thing to do despite not technically being vandalism. So, perhaps you are within your rights to blank your own talk page (or perhaps not, after pending policy proposals have been fully decided), but I suggest you also archive the old contents (the easy way is to simply add a link at the top of your talk page to the URL of the old version... but moving them to a user subpage might be better) whenever you clear them, to make it more clear that you aren't attempting to trick people into thinking you've never received many messages on your talk page before. – Tifego (t)21:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Please do not remove warnings from your talk page or replace them with offensive content. Blanking your talk page will not remove the warnings from the page history. If you continue to blank your talk page, you will lose your privilege of editing your talk page. Thanks. &rArr;   SWAT Jester     Ready   Aim   Fire!  09:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC) This is your last warning. Removing warnings from your talk page is considered vandalism. You will be blocked from editing Wikipedia and your talk page will be protected from editing if you do it again. Please view WP:TALK to see WHY it is considered vandalism. &rArr;   SWAT Jester     Ready   Aim   Fire!  09:52, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, maybe you should refer to this section from the Vandalism section you quoted - Talk page vandalism Deleting the comments of other users from article Talk pages, or deleting entire sections thereof, is generally considered vandalism. Removing personal attacks is often considered legitimate, and it is considered acceptable to archive an overly long Talk page to a separate file and then remove the text from the main Talk page. The above does not apply to the user's own Talk page, where users generally are permitted to remove and archive comments at their discretion. - 09:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and surely you are contravening the 3RR rule? Maybe you should receive a warning....

Now why do I get the feeling that I am still going to be banned in a completely unlawful & undemocratic manner? Getting banned for contravening a non-existent rule..great :(
 * This policy was changed without consensus. It has therefore been reverted. Any further removal of warnings is classed as vandalism per WP:VAND. Computerjoe 's talk 10:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Removing warnings for vandalism from one's talk page is also considered vandalism. You have breached WP:VAND.
 * [[Image:Stop_hand.svg|left|30px]] This is your last warning. Removing warnings from your talk page is considered vandalism. You will be blocked from editing Wikipedia and your talk page will be protected from editing if you do it again. Computerjoe 's talk  10:28, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I apoligise. The policy contradicts himself. This is been fixed. Computerjoe 's talk 10:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

To archive your page: create a new page called User talk:Shaft121/archive1. Paste all this material there FIRST. Then delete ALL material from this page. You cannot selectively archive, it's all or nothing. (unless, of course, you have currently active conversations on your talk, obviously you don't archive those). Make SURE you post in the edit summary that you are archiving. That help? If you'd like, I'll do it for you, just post below if you want &rArr;   SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  10:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I would be very grateful if you did that for me. As I said before, I have only ever attempted to follow the guidelines as I have seen them. Of course, if they were different to the ones you know, then I can't really be held to blame :) Thankyou for your understanding in this matter - Shaft121 10:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)