User talk:Shakil Chaudhary

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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February 2020
Hello, I'm Flyer22 Frozen. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions —specifically this edit to Higher Education Commission (Pakistan)—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 21:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Real names
The great majority of editors do not use their real names. It is inappropriate to ask editors their names, locations or credentials. Editors who 'out' other editors real names by other means are blocked. You edited an article and were reverted. The proper next step is to open a discussion on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 11:31, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

David notMD and Maproom: Thanks for your comment. I just wrote a detailed comment in Teahouse and it did not appear. Have I been banned or something? If so, it is very unfair. My point about using the pseudonym was about those editors who hide behind it to avoid scrutiny.

No offense, but Flyer22 Frozen seems to have unbounded enthusiasm for reverting edits, but little interest in fixing errors and inconsistencies. For example, she reverted my figure and restored the figure of 102.4 billion for the HEC’s annual budget. She did not realize that it was a 2014 figure.

I left a message for her on her Talk page. Instead of responding to me, she deleted it. At least, I could not see it.

Please look at this sentence.

“Preceded by the University Grants Commission (UGC) in 2002 by promulgation of the Higher Education Commission Ordinance 2002, the universities were formerly accredited by the UGC established in 1947; the institution was revised 1974 and came its modern form in 2002 under the leadership of Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman FRS its founding Chairman, with additional executive reforms granted by the constitution.”

It is difficult to imagine more clumsy and unwieldy piece of writing. It has 59 words. These sentences are no better. Wikipedia and its reader deserve better than this atrocious English. Anyone with good writing and editing skills can write such atrocious English.

"Under a new and revised reforms, the HEC is made responsible for formulating higher education policy and quality assurance to meet the international standards as well as providing accrediting academic degrees, development of new institutions, and uplift of existing institutions in Pakistan."

"The same year, Mohammad Ali Jinnah held a National Education Conference (also known as Pakistan Education Conference) of academicians and state holders to revise the policy of higher education in the country, as he stated:..."

"Many recommendations were directed and accepted by the government to established the UGC as a federal regulatory institution in 1947. Efforts led by Prime Minister of Pakistan Huseyn Suhrawardy led to the imposition of Soviet-oriented first five-year plans which explained the first official education policy in 1956."

"During this time, Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had the MoF spent 70% of natural resources on higher education efforts; enrollment in the universities increased to 56%."

"During this time, Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had the MoF spent 70% of natural resources on higher education efforts; enrollment in the universities increased to 56%."

"In 2002, President Pervez Musharraf took over the initiatives in devolving the UGC into Higher Education Commission in 2002."

"Around 50%-70% of federal budget is set for the development on science and higher education, particularly distributed to HEC, highest in the financial history of Pakistan."

"Prioritizing the expansion of the higher education in the country, HEC's financial budget is estimated near ₨. 57.8 billion, which is more than that of Pakistan Steel Mills, PIA or any other state-owned enterprises’ allocations. Currently there are more than 65 sites which are operational all over Pakistan and availing this facility for conducting lectures, meetings and other events etc."

"At the end of every academic year,A 3 credit hour research based activity is not envisioned.The attendance criteria of 70 - 75 percent is not strictly applied in Under Graduate Research Classes."

Pervez Hoodbhoy has been quoted as saying: "HEC have made higher education more expensive." This is misleading. This is what he wrote: “Hyper-inflated salaries, recommended by the HEC, have made higher education more expensive.” Thanks for your time and attention. Let me assure you that I have nothing personal against her. I am willing to work in collaboration with her.

I would like to add that I have edited dozens of Wikipedia articles. I edit Wikipedia articles with the utmost sense of responsibility. As for the conflict of interest issue, I am not an employee of the HEC. I have not been paid for it. Shakil Chaudhary (talk) 13:10, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I just checked Teahouse and your contribution is there, dated 4 February. You are not the first (nor the last) to suggest using true names. It was a Wikipedia policy choice. As content is supposed to stand on the quality of the references rather than the credentials of the contributors, this appears to work. Editors are within their rights to delete (or archive) content on their own Talk pages, as Flyer did. If I may be of guidance, I suggest making modest-sized changes to articles, with Edit summary descriptions each time. That way, an editor may not feel moved to revert everything you did because they disputed some of it. All of the content you changed is available at View history, so you will not have to recreate it. Lastly, there are two levels of conflict of interest: paid and not. If you were asked to make changes, even if not in any way compensated, you should state so on your User page. David notMD (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Shakil Chaudhary, reverting you was not about failing to realize anything. You should not be replacing sourced material with unsourced material. Read WP:Verifiability. And per Maproom, read WP:COI. I've been clear that I am not invested in that article and that I will not be guiding you. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 23:17, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

David notMD and Maproom: I am sorry to bother you again. Flyer22 Frozen is, again and again, making the point that I replaced sourced material with unsourced material. She is not answering the question that at least one figure that was sourced is from 2014. It is no longer correct. The current annual budget of the HEC is not 102.4 billion rupees. She has also not answered this question of mine: Why didn't she fix the language errors in the article? I feel like asking her: Are you happy with the quality of the article? Don't Wikipedia readers deserve better than this?

She has also not answered this point of mine. 'Pervez Hoodbhoy has been quoted as saying: "HEC have made higher education more expensive." This is misleading. This is what he wrote: “Hyper-inflated salaries, recommended by the HEC, have made higher education more expensive.”'

I really don't want to waste time on this issue. However, I have two questions: (1) How do I get the unfair block lifted? (2) Is it OK if someone working for the HEC makes the edits after identifying himself or herself? After all, the organization has updated information with it. Another question, if you don't mind: If the HEC management wants to make a complaint to Wikipedia, whom should they contact? Shakil Chaudhary (talk) 08:46, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * (1) What block? I have seen no evidence that you have been blocked.
 * (2) Someone with a Conflict of Interest should generally avoid editing the article at all. Wikipedia should be written by neutral persons adding information from sources independent of the subject.
 * (Another) If the HEC management wants to point out an error in the article, they should do so on its talk page. Maproom (talk) 09:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Flyer reverted your contribution on 2 February and has since made no edits and has made clear no knowledge of the topic nor interest in improving the article. Flyer did not "write" anything; rather, restored the article to an earlier version. You were reverted for not following Wikipedia rules (primarily deleting content that had valid references), not as a criticism of your contribution. Going forward, I recommend you declare a conflict of interest on your User page and make a series of modest changes, each time explaining what was done in the Edit summary. As Maproom pointed out, at all times strive for a neutral point of view. David notMD (talk) 13:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

stop lying about pakistan
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