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Speedy deletion nomination of Zev Wolfson
Hello Shalom11111,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Zev Wolfson for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Wikipedical (talk) 09:42, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Stub tags
Please note that the stub template does not take any parameters. Instead of which you included in Proper behavior precedes the Torah, you could have used Judaism-stub. And it goes after the categories, not before them - see WP:ORDER. Thanks. Pam D  21:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, PamD, for letting me know about these minor mistakes. I didn't do them intentionally and so I'll learn from your comment in future times. Shalom11111 (talk) 22:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks again, bot, I should have noticed it. I'll fix it right now, keep the good work up! Shalom11111 (talk) 13:16, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * Okay I see, thanks. Well, at least a warning should be sent, I just don't know how to do it and whether I have the permission or not. Shalom11111 (talk) 16:56, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Outgrow.me
Hello Shalom11111,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Outgrow.me for deletion, because it seems to be promotional, rather than an encyclopedia article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. -  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for telling me about that, but I have to say that this is impertinence. I truly didn't try to create this article in a promotional way, and hoped the final product wouldn't seem like it, but after collecting information about the website and finishing writing it, it ended up looking a bit like that. But is that really a sufficient reason to delete it and all the work I've put into it? Without even letting me be a part of the deletion process or giving me time to contest it? With an additional 5 minutes of work, the article could have been improved and made proper for Wikipedia! Shalom11111 (talk) 16:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

"But is that really a sufficient reason to delete it and all the work I've put into it?" Yes, since your hard work would have to be undone either way. Please note that speedy deletion without discussion is for blatant cases, which, unfortunately, your article was. It needed a fundamental rewrite from scratch to meet our standards.

The proper way to start a Wikipedia article and make sure it's kept is this: gather all third-party reliable sources you can about the subject you're writing about (please click on the link to see what I mean by "reliable"), and write a draft using only information you can gather from these sources: if not found in such sources you leave it out, no matter how important you feel it is. Once this is done and the article survives two or three days without a deletion tag, then you can add complementary information from the website itself about anything except such things as quality, customer satisfaction, or anything else that by its very nature can be regarded as promotional just by a mere mention of it. Also, please avoid any mention of a business's goals and instead look for statements about how, according to third-party sources, these goals have been achieved (or failed: yes, we want to hear about that too!) in the past, with no regard whatsoever for the future. ---  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 21:36, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Outgrow.me screen shot.jpg
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 * Hi sfan00 and thanks for contacting me, I appreciate your concern and work.

As you suggested, I sent an email to "permissions-en@wikimedia.org" with a copy of the permission email from the original photo/website owner. Shalom11111 (talk) 17:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

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Go to Preferences, then "gadgets", then "editing" and check "Remove VisualEditor from the user interface". You aren't alone: I just set up an edit filter to flag that error and they are coming at the rate of four or five a minute.&mdash;Kww(talk) 06:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, much appreciated! Apparently I don't have the "gadgets" option.. I guess I'll just wait and see. Shalom11111 (talk) 06:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you see when you go to preferences?&mdash;Kww(talk) 15:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I took a screenshot of it but wasn't able to attach it so I'm copying and pasting the options I see there in order:
 * User profile, Appearance, Date and time, Editing, Recent changes, Watchlist, Search, Misc, Gadgets, Notifications, Pending changes.
 * I might as well go the the talk page and ask this question, someone should be able to give me an answer, if there is one. Best, Shalom11111 (talk) 03:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. I told you to select gadgets, and you said you didn't have the "gadgets" option. When I asked what you got, though, you wrote "User profile, Appearance, Date and time, Editing, Recent changes, Watchlist, Search, Misc, Gadgets, Notifications, Pending changes". Why don't you think you have the "gadgets" option?&mdash;Kww(talk) 01:26, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Omg I'm really sorry, my apology I have no idea why I said it or how I missed it. What a rare mistake, not typical for me... Now let's go back to editing, thank a lot! Shalom11111 (talk) 01:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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Anna Wintour raised in Jewish household?
I'm not quarreling with your edit here, but I do wonder where Forbes got this from. In several years of maintaining this article, and having done most of the research, this is the first time any reliable source has made this claim.

I suspect, based on the text below the entry, that the reporter may have confused the real Anna Wintour with the Miranda Priestly character as described in the novel, where she does have a Jewish background. Perhaps we need to query Forbes on what their source is for this.

Yet another example of a listicle as a cover for poor journalism. Possibly. Daniel Case (talk) 17:12, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi and thanks for noticing that, I find this pretty interesting due to what you just said. You might've been confused, but Forbes itself didn't say Wintour is a Jew (they never mention anyone's religion), however they did of course publish that list. The website Jspace.com then picked the women they knew (or thought) were Jewish, and published their own article, in which the author said about Wintour's J(ewish)-connection that she "was raised in a Jewish household". They could be right or wrong and we can also ask them where they got it from like you suggested, but a quick check strengthened this claim in this article, which seems to be a strong and reliable source. Let me quote from there:  Cutler, a 47-year-old veteran filmmaker, grew up in a Jewish home in Great Neck, N.Y., and he identifies in an unexpected way with Wintour’s struggle between her public and private personas. “It’s like a classic Jewish folk tale, the story of Anna Wintour and her family,” he said of the editor. “It’s just so Jewish that this is a woman people bow down to everywhere she goes — they worship her, they’re terrified of her, they revere her. But the one group of people she wants to take her seriously — her family — think she’s silly.”  So, what do we make of it? By the way, I lived for 3 years in the same county you were born. Shalom11111 (talk) 20:15, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This edit of yours conflicted with what I was writing, and since I was in the process of paying for thr work on my car and leaving the dealership anyway I decided to put it off until I could leave, go down the road to the Starbucks I'm at now and get a cappuccino. Basically, since this morning I've decided we can't use it. I hadn't realized at the time it wasn't from Forbes, it was from Jspace, which makes it less reliable IMO as they're not really known for their journalism (didn't they start off as Jdate ... a dating website IIRC?) The article is unsigned and does not cite sources consistently. For some entries it points to a quote where they identify as Jewish (and for some it's frankly self-evident) but for Wintour there is no information given to support the claim that she "grew up in a Jewish household". I, too, was at first taken in by the Jewish Journal article, too. But if you read the bit you quoted closely you'll realize that's all it's saying is that a) R.J. Cutler is Jewish and b) he likens Anna Wintour to a character in a Jewish folk tale. That doesn't add up to "Anna Wintour is Jewish." I think I figured out just how it was that the Jspace writer (probably an intern, I'd bet) got confused in the manner I suspected above. The top Google hit for "Anna Wintour Jewish" is this ask.com page, which might have satisfied the Jspace intern but is emphatically not a reliable source for a claim in a Wikipedia article. I suspect that, in turn, either the Jspace writer looking for further verification or the original ask.com respondent found this page, which seems to have relied heavily upon our articles on the movie, book and real people involved without saying so (How do I know? I can easily recognize bits of my own prose in sections which were deleted from our articles in the years since I wrote them). At the bottom of one section is a paragraph ending with "... both were raised in a Jewish household." But if you read (again) carefully you'll see that the paragraph is discussing not Wintour/Priestly but the similarities between Lauren Weisberger and her protagonist, Andrea Sachs. So, I don't think the claim has any defensible basis in a reliable source. Not only should we take it out of the article, we should tell Jspace to correct themselves. Daniel Case (talk) 21:12, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Hi Shalom11111,

Thank you very much for the barnstar :)

—Ynhockey (Talk) 10:38, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Comments on other editors
Your comments at Articles for deletion/Gatestone Institute show a complete lack of good faith and might even discourage other editors from !voting delete. Basically you've accused two editors of being dishonest. Dougweller (talk) 20:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Let me ask you to assume good faith on my side first. I didn't blame anyone and definitely didn't intend to do so, and if you look again, by writing "Sadly, I'm afraid a lack of..." I simply expressed my concern about the reasons standing behind the deletion of this article. It's okay to say so because in this case I'm very confident the article should stay Shalom11111 (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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Your vote at Gatestone AfD
I believe you are permitted to change your vote at an AfD. I suggest you just strike through the "or Merge" language of your original vote, and put your reason for the strikethrough in an indented comment directly below your original vote. --72.66.30.115 (talk) 22:39, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing me regarding this. You may have misunderstood me, but I wasn't saying I'm in favor of merging the articles, I said that neither merging option is good.. Anyway, the two were kept and are alive now and that's what matters! Shalom11111 (talk) 20:12, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Deleted article "Appsfire" now in your userspace
Hi Shalom11111. The deleted article "Appsfire" is now here. I must say, this does seem outside of your usual editing interests, hmm? As always, I am assuming good faith. Pete in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Shirt58 and thanks for your quick respond - I don't know why the blocking of a user required that the article be deleted too if there was nothing wrong with it, but I just uploaded it again anyway. It's funny hearing someone say it's outside of my usual editing interests because I choose to edit such a wide variety of articles and topics... In cased you were wondering if I have any connection to the alleged user: what happened is I simply searched for this article and saw it had been deleted, so I thought why not bring it back. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Aaron Swartz
I've replied to your question on my Talk page. MarkBernstein (talk) 16:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Overlinking
Hi, thanks for your work. Please note that dates and common terms are not generally linked. Tony  (talk)  14:15, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the feedback. You're probably talking about this article. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 15:57, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Richard M. Karp
Please do not add ethnic or religious categories to biographical articles, as you did to Richard M. Karp, unless you have (1) a source stating that the person actually belongs to the category, and (2) text within the article, referring to the source, stating the significance of the category to the subject's notability. See Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality, and in particular the statement there that "Categories regarding religious beliefs of a living person should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief in question " —David Eppstein (talk) 16:32, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

After spot-checking your recent edits and finding more with the same problem, I am initiating a mass roll-back. Probably some good edits will be lost in the process. Feel free to redo the ones for which you have appropriate documentation, but again, do not add ethnic or religious categories to biographies, especially of living people, unless they have not self-identified as belonging to that category, there is text in the article identifying them in that category, and there is a reliable source (not just a web site or article where some partisan has collected names, but a publication specifically about that person) identifying them as belonging to that category. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:37, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, I just left a response on your talk page. Shalom11111 (talk) 18:48, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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Talkback
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Talkback
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Peter R. Orszag
Shalom11111, on what material in the article cited did you base this edit? Was it his statement that "My mom is a very warm, typical sort of Jewish-mother type. And my dad has a somewhat, um, different personality."? Jayjg (talk) 00:09, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for writing me about this small concern. You may have missed it so let me quote what Orszag himself says that article I cited "My mom is a very warm, typical sort of Jewish-mother type." Orszag is unquestionably a Jew, as this article tells too. Other non-reliable sources, such as this one, agree. May I revert your edit and add that additional JVL source now? Shalom11111 (talk) 10:08, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how I could have "missed it", since I quoted it in my original question to you. A "Jewish-mother type" is not necessarily Jewish (the phrase describes behavior, not ethnicity or religion), and this says nothing about Peter himself. The other sources are not [WP:RS|reliable]] and therefore not relevant. So no, you can't revert, and you can't add unreliable sources. Per WP:BLP, please ensure that all sources for claims, particularly about living people, are backed by high quality reliable sourcing. Jayjg (talk) 19:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's so weird, my bad, for some reason my eyes had apparently floated over some your first comment and only now I see your quote from the article. Considering that somewhat questionable quote, his name, his look, the Jewish Virtual library source (it's actually a very reliable website), and another Jewish Telegraphic Agency article, which says he's Jewish in their article here ("Mazal tov: Peter Orszag and Bianna Golodryga ... Jewish budget man at White House meets Jewish reporter from ABC News. They fall in love. And now they’re engaged") all indicate that he's a Jew. If you think that mentioning the Jewish background of such a man with such a position would lead to negative results, and by that I by it would "give bread" to antisemites, then it's totally understandable and I'll drop this case. Shalom11111 (talk) 20:59, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The only thing that really matters is the new reference you've brought from the JTA, which is a reliable source. You can use that one, if you want. Jayjg (talk) 19:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013
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 * Hi Malik Shabazz and thanks for writing me about your concern over the sources I used, though some of the which were very reliable. If we're using numerous self-published articles from the JIDF website for citation it the article, then I'm convinced we use these sources (I found new ones) to support what I wrote: 1 and 2. What do you think? Thanks, Shalom11111 (talk) 17:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:IRS, especially WP:SPS. Blogs are almost never acceptable as sources. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for these two links. Please keep in mind that almost never doesn't mean never. Please see this source. Is that one okay? Shalom11111 (talk) 17:42, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope. Blog posts are almost never acceptable as sources; please read the guideline to understand the very limited circumstances in which they are permitted. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:07, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * None of those sources are remotely reliable, and they are all the same source. A handful of people have launched a harassment and defamation campaign against the JIDF, its founder, and innocent people they are falsely accusing. I hope this is not an attempt to try to carry out that same campaign here on Wikipedia, as there are rules for reliable sources, and against OUTTING, and rules regarding BLP. --Bobhope101 (talk) 00:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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Question
You restored 3 categories to Category:People of Jewish descent with the editsummary "reverting an unexplained deletion". Did you notice that these categories were added just 2 days earlier, also without an explanation? And they did raise my eyebrows, because we have seen similar categories there before. Debresser (talk) 23:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I now see that these categories were added but some other IP address, yes quite shortly earlier. Before I reverted that edit I looked at all three of them and thought they were all properly there, or should've been, I mean, do you disagree? Shalom11111 (talk) 00:08, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not sure. I was waiting to see if other editors would start a discussion or perhaps even revert with some rationale. Debresser (talk) 08:24, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Though some may not like this undisputed fact, Jews are unquestionably people of Semitic, Middle Eastern, and Asian descent. So I see no reason to change or even discuss the current categories there. Thanks, Shalom11111 (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

AN/I
I'm not sure why the edit history for those days was deleted, Shalom11111, but you can find your comment at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive816. Liz Read! Talk! 16:47, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Harold "Harry" Kroto- no evidence that he was jewish
Father was Jewish not Mother! No evidence that he converted to Judaism. See Harold Kroto. See also http://thesciencenetwork.org/media/videos/30/Transcript.pdf in his own word! Pgarret (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I know he didn't convert, and so I just spent some time reading about the definition of who is considered a Jew. I found that "Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism often accept a child as Jewish even if only the father is Jewish ... and allow Jewish status to pass through the father if the child identifies as Jewish." This is not exactly the case here so I'll give you that one. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 19:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Gates/Slim
I've replied to your note at Talk:Forbes list of billionaires and reverted your edits at Gates and Slim. Can we discuss your changes there before you make any other changes to biographies? Thanks! Kuru  (talk)  19:34, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, it my a misunderstanding, I replied to you there. Thanks, Shalom11111 (talk) 20:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

dead links
Material is not "unsourced" when a link stops working. See WP:DEADLINK: "Do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer.". This is especially true when fixing the link is very easy, as in the case of the two links at Lehi (group). Zerotalk 10:23, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia articles must be based on reliable sources ... poorly sourced contentious material must be removed immediately." I don't know what that encyclopedia.com source was based on since its link was dead and it also didn't seem reliable. Also, I don't see how fixing those two links was that easy. Shalom11111 (talk) 20:22, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Both those sources had the appearance of reliability and their only problem was that their links didn't work. Each one took only a single easy google search to locate, and even if they didn't there is no requirement that sources be on the web at all.  What actually happened was that you used the dead links as an excuse to remove material you didn't like.  It is not a valid excuse.  Don't do it again. Zerotalk 00:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No, neither the sources nor the text had "the appearance of reliability" in my view, and I'll repeat what I said above, "poorly sourced contentious material must be removed immediately". This double standard accusation is ironic, as  I had recently proved that you have actually removed material you don't like from Wikipedia countless times, such as here, here, or here. But I don't want to get into this.. -Shalom11111 (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Categorization of Hal Abelson as Jewish
Please do not add ethnic or religious categories to biographies of living people, as you did to Hal Abelson, without clear evidence that the subject self-identifies with that category. See Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality: "Categories regarding religious beliefs of a living person should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief in question". Having the subject's name appear on a list on a web site of questionable provenance is not good enough. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:25, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Regardless of whether the sources I cited were reliable or not, you have a very common misconception here. A person is of Jewish decent even if he's an atheist or doesn't identify himself as one, since being Jewish is also be a matter of ethnicity, just like having an Italian ancestry for example. Concerning the sources used, I don't understand why you insist on deleting any mention of Hal being Jewish, even in the category. These sources say he's Jewish: 1 2 3. It's obvious he's Jewish, so why be so strict about it? I mean, can nothing but an explicit New York Times article be accepted as a source? This is just not right. Shalom11111 (talk) 20:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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Stale Draft?
Hello, Shalom11111, I saw that you made a draft for a new article at User:Shalom11111/Outgrow.me. According to WP:STALEDRAFT, "Short term hosting of potentially valid articles and other reasonable content under development or in active use is usually acceptable (the template userspace draft can be added to the top of the page to identify these)." But in this case, you haven't edited your draft for a long time. If you are done, please donate it by moving User:Shalom11111/Outgrow.me to a WikiProject Abandoned Drafts subpage (a participant may help). If you are not done, please finish it and move it. If you abandoned it, you may request it for deletion by putting "db-u1" or donating it. Thank you.  Ron h jones  (Talk) 19:58, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I took care of it. Thanks! Shalom11111 (talk) 20:08, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello
I am Israeli. Will it be possible for you to email me through Wiki ? thanks Ykantor (talk) 07:51, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes, I did. Shalom11111 (talk) 20:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I think Jweekly...
...got this quote a bit wrong. I think he probably said fence not wall in that sentence. It might be better to change the source. That may not be straightforward however. I think the actual source for that is a TV interview with Schumer by Jay DePapper on WNBC-TV, 2004-Nov-14. Do you have The Case for Peace by Alan Dershowitz ? If so, look at page 99 for the quote and page 213 for the source details.  Sean.hoyland  - talk 13:19, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. No I currently don't owe the book, but if you do and see that the quote is not accurate, then please, change it. -Shalom11111 (talk) 03:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

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Your POV edits on Sinai Peninsula
I raised your POV edits about Sinai Peninsula at the talk page. You know very well what you did there. Keep it neutral. --IRISZOOM (talk) 16:25, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not respond to your post on that talk page for the same reason no other editor has responded and all ingonred it even though it's been 7 days since you posted it. Again you reverted me and a few other users and transformed the article back to its undisputed Arab narrative, instead letting balanced information in, accusing me of some none-sense in order to justify it. I'll look over it again when I have some time later, be sure about that. -Shalom11111 (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


 * It's only negative to not respond to the questions about your edits which were very biased. I did revert once so keep to the facts. It's not about an "Arab narrative" and it was only you and another user who challenged the text. The article has been quiet since then. You are of course welcome to make improvements consistent with the policies. --IRISZOOM (talk) 22:13, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Your argument is again very pathetic, see my reply to you below. Shalom11111 (talk) 16:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Category:American Ashkenazi Jews
Hello Shalom11111. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:American Ashkenazi Jews, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for informing me about this, I'll soon propose the category's deletion using the proper way, if I'm able to follow its complicated steps... -Shalom11111 (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * When the category is empty, you can nominate it for speedy deletion using criterion C1. Just put at the top of the page. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Will do, thanks! Shalom11111 (talk) 16:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
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 * Since I wasn't able to respond to that post as it has already been archived, I'll respond here: Please stop making so much unnecessary noise, Wikipedia admins have much more important stuff to go over than your imaginary "intimidation" and "harassment" made by other users. Listen, the one and only thing I know about you user:IRISZOOM is how you edit and which articles you edit on English Wikipedia, that's all. Hope that makes you more calm now. When I restored content on your talk page I purposely didn't bring back Bot messages, since each one of them explicitly says "It's okay to remove this message". I first thought archiving was the only way Wikipedia allows for other posts, why are you making such a big deal out of it? Also, I didn't finish the sentence when I wrote the word "or", it was supposed to continue as "or you'll be reported", and that's what I then wrote on your talk page. The same mistake happened to you here for example, so is it really so hard to figure it out? Regarding the Sinai Peninsula article, you know very well that there's bias there but you keep ignoring it - why do you keep reverting the version where it says that after attacking Egypt, Israel was attacked by Jordan and Syria first? Israel claims it took a preemptive strike against Egypt, why do you delete this sentence too instead of leaving it as is and adding the other narrative to make it balanced? It may feel awkward answering these questions, but unlike you, I'm not going to delete this post as soon as this issue is over. -Shalom11111 (talk) 16:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I think you owe IRISZOOM an apology: firstly, for incorrectly stating the position with regard to removing material from user talkpages; secondly, for unwarranted interference on another user's talkpage.     ←   ZScarpia  19:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * If you were interested in discussing your edits on the Sinai Peninsula, then you could have discussed it there (which you didn't want to) or in the right section here at your talk page (above). As I've said, I only reverted once and your edits were POV. You have not addressed the issue. And no one will delete your reply at the article talk page so don't blame it on that. But don't mix the things up. Who are talking about the edit summary as if it's everything? This is about you restoring comments and issuing threats, which you clearly did on my talk page. No matter what your reasons were, you were wrong and you doesn't seem to understand it. --IRISZOOM (talk) 05:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

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 * If you look at examples above on this page, you'll see that Shalom11111's signature includes links to both the User page and Talk page. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, my apologies. I was reading AN/I and saw comments made by him that were unlinked, but I see now that they were in fact comments quoted from elsewhere. . L Faraone  04:28, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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 * Hi and thanks for letting me know about this, I noticed you nominated it for deletion. It should result in a fast and quick consensus... Oh, and I've already added the article's content to Timeline of antisemitism. -Shalom11111 (talk) 22:01, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

could you please
add a citation or reference for your recent edit at American Jews? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, well as obvious as that statement is, I'll find a source for it and will add it soon. -Shalom11111 (talk) 22:05, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Just did it. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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Israel Talk page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Israel#Jerusalem_and_Tel_Aviv No one is trying to rewrite history. There is a conversation going on and are welcome to take part in it. " Israel's financial center is Tel Aviv,[20] while Jerusalem is the country's most populous city and its designated capital, though internationally the East Jerusalem section of the city is not considered to be a part of Israel." was the original change I made before I made the change to the change that you reverted that has hence forth been reverted back to. There's a reason all of these changes have been put on the talk page. I'm not trying to rewrite history. I'm trying to improve the article. I'm not trying to get involved in an idiotic edit war. I'd appreciate an assumption of good faith. Consider joining the discussion.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 12:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I responded on the article's talk page. Thanks, Shalom11111 (talk) 12:20, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Jewish categories or not
All kinds of descent categories should probably not be added the articles about Jews. This has in the recent past lead to edit wars and many talkpage discussions. Debresser (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Debresser, of course descent categories should be included. If this leads to any edit war, then a proper talk page discussion/voting will take place. Shalom11111 (talk) 09:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You might want to read up on the discussions. This has been a hot potato recently, and consensus is these categories should not be added. Debresser (talk) 20:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, you reverted my reverts. per WP:BRD that is not the correct thing to do. Especially since I informed you here that this is a controversial issue. If you plan to start an edit war over this, why don't you go straight to WP:ANI and ask there to be blocked... Debresser (talk) 20:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "consensus is these categories should not be added"? I undid your reverts only after I told you here why they weren't justified. The reason I'm not going to revert you again is simply because, as you said, the WP:ANI isn't a pleasant option. So I'll soon bring this issue to the proper talk page so we can generate consensus. Thanks, Shalom11111 (talk) 21:56, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I mean that when this was discussed recently, the consensus was against adding these categories. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism/Archive_32. Debresser (talk) 23:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Debresser, I looked at that WikiProjectJudaism thread you linked here, and there was no consensus for removal of those categories. You said consensus was defined by majority at the beginning, but there are more people in favor of inclusion than against. You specifically said that there's "no consensus for change", but now you remove categories that were already there by the end of that discussion. It would appear that you are the one whose edits are problematic.. -Shalom11111 (talk) 23:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You can see clearly that there is no consensus these categories should be there. Note that they were added fairly recently, often by those same editors who are in favor. Do not make the mistake of thinking they are a consensus. And most certainly do not edit war... Just because you think you have an argument, does not mean that you can go ahead and revert. Debresser (talk) 01:14, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand me. Here you just removed a category that there was no consensus to remove, and it was there before that thread on WikiProject Judaism ended. Shalom11111 (talk) 01:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Please explain to me how I misunderstood you. See also User_talk:Evildoer187 where I explained why this edit should be reverted. Debresser (talk) 21:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Legal status of Gaza
Further my post on the talk page of the article on occupations, if you do undertake to write such a section, you should pay special attention to the concluding section of Sharvit-Barukh's analysis, "Is there a legitimate government capable of exercising authority in the Gaza Strip?", where she writes:


 * "The second question is whether Hamas can be viewed as a legitimate government.


 * Admittedly the legality of the Hamas government has been questioned, but it must be regarded as the de facto replacement of the PA government."

It is a key principle of international law there for every territory there is a state entity that is responsible for governance (and protection of human rights) in that territory. If, as Sharvit-Barukh suggests, we recognize the Hamas government as the state entity responsible for the governance of Gaza, that has profound implications for Hamas's institutional standing. Certainly in other contexts, the Israeli government has vociferously opposed the recognition of Hamas as a legitimate government, so it is unclear why, in this specific instance, we should encourage its recognition.

On the other hand, if we recognize the PA as the legitimate government of Gaza, that makes Gaza occupied, since the PA is considered to be operating under belligerent occupation.

The fact that Israel has removed its physical presence from Gaza does not make it any less legally responsible for the welfare of the people of Gaza. It was, after all, the last recognized state entity to rule there (legitimately or otherwise), and, until some other state entity takes over, it is responsible. That is, more or less, what the UN spokesman has been saying.

All this is unrelated to my personal opinion, which is (if you are interested) that these legal arguments are pretty irrelevant to the actual situation on the ground, which, from Israel's point of view, is far better without Gaza than with it.

Good luck in your undertaking (should you decide to do it). --Ravpapa (talk) 07:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking the time to write this, Ravpapa, I've been a little busy lately and will take a look at it tomorrow hopefully:) Shalom11111 (talk) 23:11, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

March 2014
Hello Shalom11111. Please do not delete the posts of other users if you consider them in violation of WP:CANVASS. I for one disagree that they are, as the article concerns the history of the states, which makes the projects directly related to the topic. Again, though, do not delete whatever it is you believe may be canvassing, but follow policy. -- Director  ( talk )  13:56, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please consider yourself warned. You are edit-warring to remove talkpage posts of other users, and will be reported if necessary. -- Director  ( talk )  00:02, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In case you didn't know, an editor is entitled to revert vandalism, canvassing, wrong information, or anything that violates Wikipedia's policies. You should consider yourself warned, also because you falsely say that I "remove talkpage posts", which I did not, I removed irrelevant wikiproject-links which you inserted and only you though they should stay. It's called a disagreement, and just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you're right. By this twisted logic you're using, I could also list that deletion discussion to "list of Israel-related deletion discussions" because Jews live and are associated with this country, or "list of crime-related deletion discussions", because communism has caused a lot of deaths and crime. This behavior of yours is also reflected in that deletion discussion where you accused everyone who didn't agree with you of WP:IDONTLIKEIT and such. Shalom11111 (talk) 19:47, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * Hi and thanks for notifying me about it, I'll reply there now. Shalom11111 (talk) 19:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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You are at WP:3RR already on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Romania. Please discuss and come to consensus. I also suggest you briefly respond at ANI (noted above). Thanks, JoeSperrazza (talk) 21:40, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope my friend, there was no 3RR there. Please see my response at the current discussion. Shalom11111 (talk) 21:52, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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For interest
Regarding my comment "both list of massacre articles should probably be deleted" and your response "i don't see any reason why both articles should be deleted - see Category:Lists of massacres by country", my thinking is that there is a subtle difference between the proper name that forms an article title that includes the word 'massacre' and the inclusion of the event in a set of things described as a list of massacres. The former is just a name, a label used by sources, whereas the latter is presented as list of things that, according to the voice of the encyclopedia, actually were massacres. If they were called "list of events described as massacres in X" I think it would be better.  Sean.hoyland  - talk 18:43, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Undue weight on settler colonialism
You're planning to explain what your problem with the article is on the talk page, right? Otherwise there's really no way to fix whatever problem you see and the tag should be removed.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:10, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In the "Middle East" section, the article focuses only on Israel. There's obviously bias there, it doesn't require too much explanation. There's no mention at all of the Arab invasion for example, as you can see. I plan to work on this article soon. Shalom11111 (talk) 22:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You have to explain your problems with the article on the article talk page or remove the tag. People aren't mind readers.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:29, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Generally, it's not mandatory to provide a full explanation on the article's talk page for every tag a user inserts. I wrote this as a reason. Now it's okay, right? Shalom11111 (talk) 22:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Now you did. Thanks.  You should do that right off, or explain on the talk page.  Otherwise what in the world is the point, eh?&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:55, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Apology on Antisemitism
I did not mean to attack you personally. I strongly apologize and ask for your forgiveness. Please see the talk page about anti-Semitism for explanation.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 09:36, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem, 'Rainbowofpeace', I wasn't offended and knew your intention was good. Will reply there now. Shalom11111 (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Jewish views on slavery
I won't undo your deletion since I don't agree with the sentiments that were expressed, but you should note that it said "Jewish Encyclopedia" and not "Jewish Wikipedia". The article in the Jewish Encyclopedia is a reliable source that is eligible for citation. Zerotalk 12:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Zero. You're mistaken, please read it again: He said "The Jewish Encyclopedia is full of "antisemitic carnards". Thanks God (I mean, thanks Yahve), jewish Wikipedia debunks them." Regarding the Jewish Encyclopedia source, of course it's a reliable source that's eligible for citation, I never said otherwise. Shalom11111 (talk) 12:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes I was mistaken, please disregard my comment. Zerotalk 12:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Merger and 1517 Hebron pogrom and 1517 Safed pogrom articles
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 * Thanks for informing me about this, GreyShark, I'll take a look at it tomorrow. Shalom11111 (talk) 02:39, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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Listing/Not canvassing
Hi Shalom11111, since you know how to list a discussion for additional comments, can I ask for your help please? There's a requested move at Talk:History of the Jews in Russia and it needs to be listed in Russian and Jewish history sections for additional comments. That's not canvassing, right? Can I please ask for your assistance? Your comments there would be helpful as well. Thanks! USchick (talk) 02:29, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi USchick, don't worry this isn't considered canvasing, and thanks I'll leave a response there tomorrow. Shalom11111 (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! USchick (talk) 02:41, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
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"Russians" in Israel
I reverted your edit on the Russians article because the numbers you've provided are for the population of the Russian Jewish population; not the Slavic Russian population. I wanted to tell you this because it is in direct violation of WP:OR. This is due to the fact that you're presenting information with a source; yet the source doesn't support the statement. In this case you're passing off the Ashkenazi Russians as Slavic Russians which is unacceptable. Khazar (talk) 22:46, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Khazar and thanks for informing me. First of all, like the user Rainbowofpeace, I want to say sorry if what I said on the "History of the Jews in Russia" talk page was not reflective of reality.
 * Regarding the million Russians living in Israel, this is not WP:OR at all. It's a well known fact that one million Russians, mostly Jews of course, immigrated to Israel and now live there.


 * "between 1989 and 2006 about 1.6 million (ex-) Soviet Jews and their relatives emigrated to countries outside the FSU. Approximately 61 percent of this movement (about 979,000) was directed toward Israel, whereas the rest was directed mostly toward the United States and Germany." work was done by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, published by Berman Jewish Policy Archive
 * "The million Russians that changed Israel to its core" Haaretz article
 * "Polev’s immigrant success story resembles those of many of the 1 million Russian-speaking immigrants who arrived in Israel in the 1990s. Along with their descendants, Russian speakers now comprise nearly one-fifth of all Israelis. by The Times of Israel
 * "“His efforts to house and absorb the nearly one million Russian-speaking Jews who arrived in Israel in the 1990s will forever be appreciated,” Lauder said.", by Jpost.
 * There are dozens of other sources I could find, but need I see more? Shalom11111 (talk) 23:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * 'mostly Jews'. One should be specific because we have statistics, and a quarter of the Russians emigrating to Israel failed to qualify as legally Jews. 'Mostly' suggests a high figure than 75%.Nishidani (talk) 10:15, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Nishidani did you take the time to read what we're talking about here at all? It seems like you kind of jumped in as you did here last week, where you said the article's title should be changed "immediately", only after the name change was already done. Here, the user 'Khazar' and I are discussing the number of Russians living in Israel, and the fact that many, most, or 75% of them are Jews is irrelevant and I mentioned it as a side note. To get things clear, nearly all of Israel's Russian population is Jewish, definitely more than 75% (I've read somewhere that it's something like 97%), and here's a clarification for you: "Around 4% of Israelis (300,000), [these are the quarter you're talking about] -ethnically defined as "others", are Russian-descendants of Jewish origin or family who are not Jewish according to rabbinical law, but were eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return.[384][385][386]"
 * Anyway..., so what do you say? Shalom11111 (talk) 19:52, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe I should add this information to the article Rossiyane and not to Russians, which is apparently about ethnic Russians, and so that could be a bit controversial. Shalom11111 (talk) 14:54, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * (1) 'you said the article's title should be changed "immediately", only after the name change was already done'. The name I objected to is Jewish views on slavery, and it is still there, unchanged. There is no such thing as a 'Jewish' view of anything, any more than there is a 'Russian' view, or a 'Chinese view' or an 'American view' of anything. A nation or an ethnicity is what Gilbert Ryle called a ghost category, a generic term for a congeries of individuals who, by the very nature of their human and internal cultural and social diversity, cannot have a single common denominator other than a passport or 'nationality'. To ascribe to Jewish people a 'view' on slavery is extremely offensive. Judaism, as a religion with doctrinal positions, may have had several views on slavery, but the word 'Jewish' is not an adjectival synonym for Judaism, for the simple reason that it has a double valency, ethnic and religious, and in so far as it implies an ethnic identity, it is wrong to attribute to Jewish people shared ideas about any subject, slavery or otherwise. This is elementary.
 * "(2) In Israel, the 'non-Jewish Jews,' as some Israelis call them, are everywhere. They drive buses, teach university classes, patrol in army jeeps and follow the latest Israeli reality TV shows as avidly as their Jewish counterparts. For these people -- mostly immigrants from the former Soviet Union who are not Jews according to Israeli law -- the question of where they fit into the Jewish state remains unanswered nearly two decades after they began coming to Israel. At an estimated 320,000 people and with their ranks growing due to childbirth, the question is growing ever more acute. Unlike non-Jews residing in Israel illegally, these are people who qualified to immigrate to Israel under the Law of Return, which grants the right of Israeli citizenship to all descendants of a Jewish grandparent or those married to such persons. But the Israeli government does not consider them Jews, because their mothers are not Jewish. Non-Jewish Israelis constitute almost a third of all immigrants from the former Soviet Union.'Dina Kraft, Jews endure challenges living in Israel,' Jewish Journal, January 3, 2008Nishidani (talk) 18:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)"

I fully accept your apology. Thank you for taking your time to understand the situation and not blindly revert me. That information you presented is quite remarkable because from my understanding, I always thought that the virtually all of Israelis who emigrated from the Soviet Union [during the 1980's] were Jewish and accepted as such. Khazar (talk) 18:22, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * As for that information you had, feel free to add it in the "Russian diaspora" sub-section because the infobox can be misleading. Khazar (talk) 03:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, the reason I brought WP:OR into play wasn't because a lack of Jewish emigration from Russia, but Slavic emigration. For the average reader, they would think that the +1 million emigrants of Russia were Slavs and Jews. That is problematic because those two groups are drastically different ethnic groups with different culture and genetics. Khazar (talk) 03:35, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


 * To Nishidani, 1) Okay, but maybe you did not read the entire discussion, because we were talking about changing the titles of the articles "Jews and the slave trade" and "Judaism and slavery" into the current title, "Jewish views on slavery". As it was explained, besides many other reason, we chose this title because the corresponding articles of Christian views on slavery and Islamic views on slavery are written this way. In Category:Jewish views you'll see tens of other similar articles on Jewish/Judaism's views, so it's quite common. I agree with the examples you provided, there can't be a general official Russian, Chinese, or American view of anything, but Judaism is a religion which apparently does have certain views on the subject, so we chose this title for the article, which now covers both Judaism's view as well as the history of Jewish individual's involvement in slavery. Please read IZAK's very convincing comment on that talk page, and you may also propose a different name, as we're discussing it there now. Having said that, I agree with you that using the words "Jewish views" in a title is tricky and somewhat problematic, as "Jewish" also refers to Jews (ethnicity), but the title does not intent to label a view for all Jews of course.
 * 2) It took me a while to realize that this part of your response was simply a copy-paste from the article. It's more accepted and appropriate to use quotation marks when citing a source, or at least saying it's from X source in the beginning... I've never heard the term "non-Jewish Jews" before (not in Hebrew either, and in fact many people in Israel don't care about a person's background. Of course they're actively involved in all the fields of life in Israel - I actually recently discovered that a friend of mine is one of 'those 320,000', but I hope it's only matter of time before Israel recognizes them as Jews.) And to the point: With regards to the sentence you highlighted, which says "Non-Jewish Israelis constitute almost a third of all immigrants from the former Soviet Union" - it is of course referring to these 300,000 Israelis who are Jewish but for one reason or another, didn't meet the full requirements to prove this, which are very high in Israel. But they are Jews by heritage (many practice Judaism too of course), and were eligible for the Law of Return as we said.
 * To Khazar: The vast majority of these one million Israeli Jews emigrated from Russia specifically, not from Slavic countries. But placing them under the infobox of ethnic Russians might give the wrong impression that they are only Jewish by religion, and are not an ethnicity. That's why I agree we should refrain from making this edit. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 11:49, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

organized Jewish life template
Hi Shalom11111 -

Thanks for your interest in the organized Jewish life template and for your work in helping to make it more complete.

I appreciate your hard work. I wanted to discuss a few of your recent additions, which are of groups that are relatively minor (with little history, little or no nationwide organization or regional chapters, and little widely-discussed influence): the BJPA, the JWA, and the LDB.

Those groups do good work. I think a good solution is to put them into all the appropriate wiki categories they belong in (already mostly done), and perhaps to build new navbox templates that are specific to the type of work they do (maybe including more organizations that are not currently navbox'd) (e.g., American Jewish archival organizations; American Jewish legal organizations, etc.).

I did just that for Jewish environmental groups.

In time, once groups like these build a nationwide framework, a strong history within the American Jewish community, and a major stature and influence in the community, I think they would be good candidates to be considered major groups for inclusion in the organized Jewish life template.

Again, I appreciate your interest and thanks for your work. Infoman99 (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Infoman99, and thanks for your appreciation and the nice attitude. I'm glad you're writing me regarding this template, because I had actually planned to discuss some issues about. This is a very important navigation template and its quality must not be compromised.
 * I've indeed put quite some effort into that template, mostly by maintaining and improving the actual articles that are already included it in. Adding new links to that template is the easier part of course, but as you rightly say, some articles require careful consideration in order to determine whether they belong in that template or not (that's why I wrote in the edit summary of my last edit there "the template needs to be re-organized"). As you seem interested, please tell me what you think about the following points.


 * Let's remove the articles that are "relatively minor" as you said. Go ahead and remove those groups at your discretion, and if there's a doubt about a specific page, let's discuss it
 * Don't you think this template should be renamed from "Organized Jewish life in the United States" into "Organized Jewish life in North America"? Many of the organizations, groups, etc. that are currently in the template, operate in Canada as well, so wouldn't it be a more proper and neat name? If the name change is done, a couple more pages (mostly related to Jewish life Canada) should of course added
 * You suggested building new navbox templates that are specific to the type of work some of these groups do. I've thought about it and think it's a good idea. Most such templates already exist, we just need to find them. For example, the recently added article "The Louis D. Brandeis Center for Human Rights under Law" could be moved to Template:International human rights organizations.
 * Many links on the upper part of the template need to be better organized. Is seems like many of them are mixed and there're a bunch of Israel policy institutes, educational, youth, communal, outreach organizations etc., that need to need to be divided into very specific sections.
 * Regards Shalom11111 (talk) 08:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Shalom11111. I'm always glad for a civil discussion on here, as things usually get so testy.

I'll address your thoughts in order:


 * I agree on removing the articles that are relatively minor from the navbox. I'll go ahead and do that, and I'll try perhaps to create more suitable, smaller navboxes for them, if I can figure out appropriate grouping.


 * I understand your thoughts on 'North America' v. 'United States'. I have a few concerns about that:


 * The term "North America" is typically taken to include Mexico and the countries of the Carribean. Most of the organizations in the navbox have no activity in those countries.


 * We could expand the navbox title to "United States and Canada". But...
 * Many of the organizations listed do not have a true Canadian presence. For some of them, there is a separate body in Canada that is, in effect, a counterpart to the U.S. organization. For a few others, the presence in Canada is limited to some large cities along the U.S.-Canadian border with sizable Jewish communities. And for yet others, there is, almost by definition, no Canadian sub-unit (e.g., NJDC, RJC, White House Jewish Liaison).
 * In fact, gathering all the Canada-specific organizations that make up Jewish life there would probably make for a good, new navbox all on its own. Wikipedia already has as category listing that could be an excellent start: Category:Jewish organizations based in Canada
 * If an independent navbox is built for Canadian Jewish organizations (and perhaps one for Mexico Jewish organizations), then we could built a super-navbox for Organized Jewish life in North America, that would have the three navboxes as children.


 * I just looked at Template:International human rights organizations for the first time. I've never worked on it, but just from a quick glance, almost every organization on it seems like a very well-known, highly-visible entity created or recognized under international law. My guess is that if you added LDB to that navbox, it would be removed immediately. If you wanted to, you could create a new navbox -- say, Template:Human Rights Organizations in the United States based on this category list: Category:Human rights organizations based in the United States.  But be prepared for a lots of politics, as every two-person office with a phone and a Wikipedia article gets added to it.  It may not be worth the trouble, and the plain category list may be sufficient.


 * I think you may be mis-reading the title of the navbox section on Israel groups, "Major Israel policy, education, and outreach organizations", which is limited to major organizations that are centered on Israel. In other words, in this instance, the word Israel is a noun adjunct that modifies all the nouns that follow.
 * Because there are many American Jewish organizations focused on Israel, this section of the navbox is relatively large.
 * Until July 2010, I had Nefesh B'Nefesh and Birthright Israel in a separate Israel Outreach section. (Then a random IP editor combined it into the Israel Policy section. ) It may be a good time for me to break out outreach again, as a sub-section.

Thanks again. Infoman99 (talk) 03:58, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Infoman99, thanks for the reply. You wrote a long response, which I want read thoroughly and examine the subject closely, which for a lack of time I'll only be able to do another day.. Regards Shalom11111 (talk) 01:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Hi Greyshark, thanks for informing me about this as I participated in the previous discussion there, so I'll take a look at it now. Last week you participated in a discussion concerning the titles of the 1517 Safed pogrom and 1517 pogrom, at the end of which they were moved to "attacks". I'd like to know what you think about that. Shalom11111 (talk) 14:25, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't like the title "pogrom" for those events, but we both well know that Once and few more users are not seeking a good title, but wish to dispose of those articles. There is a very heroic urge by editors identified with radical Arab nationalism to POV English wikipedia, i can see it in Kurdish related articles, Iranian related articles, Sudan related articles etc. It is not surprising that those Ba'athists and similar types pop up on Old Yishuv related articles and try to delete or alter anything "non-Arab" in the region.GreyShark (dibra) 17:31, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Very true, GreyShark, I agree with you entirely on this. The question is what to do regarding the(se) issue(s). Shalom11111 (talk) 21:22, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * It looks like a consensus has been agreed upon in that discussion by now, but thanks for letting me know about this anyway. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Just to let you know...
I have mentioned you on Fringe theories section, feel free to comment or expand on my inquiry.--Mishae (talk) 19:34, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Mishae, thank you for your effort with regards to the subject, I appreciate it. Just an advice - do not open new threads about the same issue in multiple different talk pages and wiki noticeboards at the same time. This will likely waste a lot of your time and will turn out as very unproductive, and the results will be controversial as no real consensus can be reached this way. I'll now respond both on the BLP noticeboard and on Stoltenberg  article's talk page. Regards, Shalom11111 (talk) 08:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I was trying to get an advice from other admins, who might weigh in on the issue. I'm all in support of peaceful discussion which shouldn't end in a block, as it often happen. P.S. We loose good contributors fairy quickly (not that I am saying that the others are bad, but history shows). Regards and good luck with your editing,--Mishae (talk) 00:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand. If you want to hear others' opinion, maybe next time you could start a noticeboard thread just by providing a link to the main discussion and inviting users to participate in it. Anyway, I just added this information as there was no opposition to this in a week. Thanks and good luck to you too, Shalom11111 (talk) 13:21, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jews_and_Communism_(2nd_nomination)
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 * Thanks, I'll vote there now. This new nomination discussion has restored some faith I had in this project... Shalom11111 (talk) 21:04, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Ahi, do you seriously think the Black Hebrew Israelites are authentic descendants of the Israelites?
They have completely West African DNA that is totally unrelated to the genetics of people from the Middle East. If you want to see Africans who are actually descended from real Israelites see the Buba clan from the Lemba people of Zimbabwe. They have a tradition of going back to ancient Israel and migrating to Sena, Yemen and then to southern Africa. They keep shabbath, kashruth, shekhita, brit mila, worship one god, and 50% of them have the same specific gene found among Jewish Kohanim and Samaritan men.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8550614.stm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/familylemba.html

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 * Thanks but I do comment solely on content. Your "other" account was several hours short of violating the Wiki community's WP:3RR rule, not to mention that you decided to delete/redirect the said long standing 19,000 word article without any discussion or consensus, an act which I think others would not view in a positive light and may report. Keep that in mind as well. Shalom11111 (talk) 21:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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Please restore my post
That you deleted by mistake thanks.--Shrike (talk) 10:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Shrike. What? Where? Shalom11111 (talk) 10:45, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I see, on the discussion, oops, sorry! Must have happened as I read/commented on the page. Shalom11111 (talk) 10:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing, Strike. I wonder why the editor you discussed the issue with ignored my reply. The point is really undeniable now, and hopefully other editors will abide to neutral point of view. Shalom11111 (talk) 10:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * Hi User:Bbb23 - so I assume there's no way to contact you in private, correct me if I'm wrong. All I wanted to know is if there's an efficient way to update/remove one's old signature, in past articles/user talk pages (and possibly even archives) where it appears, without the rough work of doing it manually... Maybe with a bot which runs and does routine link updates. Your reply will be appreciated. Shalom11111 (talk) 06:32, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

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