User talk:Shalor (Wiki Ed)/Archive 16

A barnstar for you!

 * Aw, thanks! I'm not an admin on this account but I am on my main! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from MPS1992
Hi, please let me know if you are involved with this course. MPS1992 (talk) 23:55, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * MPS1992, Thanks for letting me know about this - I'll step in with them! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from Guadaabxo (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...

starting my sandbox, am i doing something wrong or? something about my user"

--Guadaabxo (talk) 22:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:22, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Guadalupe Benitez

Need help request from Angelaebalo (talk)
Hello.

I need help with uploading the page

--Angelaebalo (talk) 05:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Student trying to edit semi-protected page
Hi Shalor -

I removed an empty edit request from Talk:Ed and Lorraine Warren for a student you had welcomed. Looks like the article was semi-protected for vandalism since they last edited the article, I'm guessing they were trying to edit and wound up placing an empty request (something I see all the time). I left them my standard note, but I spotted the Ed flags and figured I'd drop you a line in case there's something else to be done. Thanks! &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 19:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Article Review Request
Hi Shalor, I am making edits to the LGBT Parenting Page, specifically the subheading currently labeled Transphobia and Homophobia. Could you please review my edits in my LGBT parenting sandbox? Thank you for your time and feedback. --RadRemi (talk) 20:29, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Can do! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Article Re-evaluation
Hi! I was looking at the article rating criteria and was wondering how do I get Rio Grande Valley reevaluated. I think it might even be GA quality but idk. Jmjosh90 (talk) 23:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Responded at your Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 06:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks Mathglot! <3 Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from Leeh17 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with... I recently logged in to my wikipedia account to find that my sandbox had been deleted despite me having alot of content saved on it previously. I was wondering if there was anyway for wikipedia to recover this content for me.

Best, Lee

--Leeh17 (talk) 15:49, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Responded on talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:39, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from LouieOne82 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...how to add a First Nations Painter under First Nations Artist. I found a page called "category: First Nations Artists" and on that page under "20th century First Nations Painter" (I believe). I did try to publish something, but don't know if I did it right?

--LouieOne82 (talk) 03:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)Antoinette Louie
 * Responded at your Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 06:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks Mathglot! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:48, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

assignment
Hi Shalor, can you please help this student out? This is a nearly identical recreation of the article I've tagged and I've moved various copies of their work back to their userspace but they seem intent on continuing to push it into mainspace. Praxidicae (talk) 18:41, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll try speaking with them again - I'd left them a note about my concerns with their draft, but I'll try leaving another note. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:10, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Cleanup tag linguistic determinism
Hi Shalor I saw that you tagged the Linguistic Determinism page as needing cleanup, but there was no specified reason or new comment on the talk page. I would like to continue improving the article to the best of my ability so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Buffy0123 (talk) 01:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from Isatheiguana (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...moving my article into main space

--Isatheiguana (talk) 23:50, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:39, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like it was moved live! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Class Assignment Moving to a Live Space
Hello Shalor,

Is there any way that you could move my sandbox to a live space as I've completely revamped the original page and it would be easier to get you to do it all in one go?

KortClifford (talk) 00:28, 8 December 2019 (UTC) Kort
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Controversial topics
I'm not sure if this is something you can help with, but I'm wondering if this student should be steered toward less controversial topics. – bradv  🍁  04:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know ! These aren't easy areas for established, experienced editors to maneuver, so it's not one I'd recommend for a new user either. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:40, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Sandbox ?
I noticed my page was flagged for Speedy Deletion and I do not know why. I tried to contest the deletion by following the instructions but the button that was supposed to allow me to stop it wasn't present on the page. I need my page to be present because this a class assignment that my grade depends on. Please do not delete my page.

Thanks Gracemcguire17 (talk) 22:28, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from Muffin110 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...recovering my sandbox edits, my computer restarted and I had not published the edits yet and I went back into sandbox and all of my information is gone, is there anything I can do?

--23:28, 10 December 2019 (UTC)Muffin110 (talk)
 * Oh no! I'll take a look, but I'm afraid that unless you'd published the edits we won't be able to retrieve them. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:17, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from Ksm006 (talk)
Hello.

I am attempting to move my finished Wiki article to mainspace but these messages pop us on my page "This is a user sandbox of Panama and the World Bank. A user sandbox is a subpage of the user's user page. It serves as a testing spot and page development space for the user and is not an encyclopedia article." and "This template should only be used in the user namespace. This template should only be used in the user namespace." How can i remove this?

--Ksm006 (talk) 02:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)Ksm006
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from Auntieb7 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...starting a new edit in the sandox. For a class assignment we had to do a practice piece. I now need to write my actual edit and I'm not sure how to either clear the first practice edit or start a completely new sandbox edit. Your help is greatly appreciated.

Auntieb7 (talk) 00:15, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

--Auntieb7 (talk) 00:15, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Will answer on talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk)

Need help request from Balpi002 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with... publishing my article

--Balpi002 (talk) 21:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:26, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Uploading an Imge and Unsure were my draft is located
Hi, I am with one of the wiki education classes and cannot seem to figure out how to upload a picture. it is not my own so I know It needs to be cited but I cannot figure out how. I also am confused because I think I did my drafting in the sandbox but im not sure if its possible to have more than one. I also am not sure how to move my work to a page that already exists. I just added on to a page for my person and don't know how to get both my references and the ones already on the page to join together correctly. Snapple212 (talk) 21:32, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Snapple212, your draft is located on your User page. See your Talk page for further info. Mathglot (talk) 03:22, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks Mathglot! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:38, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Help moving my page to the live one.
Currently I have my work under my user page and I thought I was working in my sandbox. would you be able to move my page/ merge it with the already existing one on Mother Mary Joseph Rogers. I am afraid with my mess up on drafting in the wrong space that attempting to move it will go even worse.Snapple212 (talk) 14:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Posted to talk page - this needs some more sourcing first. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:15, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from SwayamBhatia (talk)
Hello.

I need help with the fact that my article does not come up on wikipedia

--SwayamBhatia (talk) 23:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Responded at your talk page. Mathglot (talk) 02:38, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:16, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Article Review Tag
Hi Shalor,

I am requesting for the review on the tag about essay-like article on the page Health of Filipino Americans < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_of_Filipino_Americans >.

Thank you!

Msigua (talk) 08:32, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Breastfeeding article
Davie243 has returned deleted copy to the Breastfeeding article. I really find this to be unacceptable. Can we have a meeting with the instructor? We volunteer but our time is as precious as paid WP workers. I have better things to do with my time here and I'm sure that others do as well. Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 21:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know! I'll get them to stop re-adding it. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 03:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Shalor. Looking at your talk pages it is my impression that you do a lot of good work here.  I have left a few messages on Ian's talk page as well.  I am unsure of his position regarding Wikipedia's student credit edits. He states that 8,000 students per...would I call it a "credit year"?, take part in a WP instruction course.   Apparently he is not connected to WP as far as his comments to students goes but is connected to another organization, is that correct?  Also, it appears that he in contact with the student's instructors, are you as well?  Gandydancer (talk) 17:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi - thanks for the compliment! I try really hard to make sure to catch as much as I can with the students and to try to explain policy as clearly as possible to them. I would be lying if I were to say that I hadn't done some of the same things they did at one point in time. Some of my earlier edits under my main account are pretty cringeworthy, to say the least. It's nice to hear that I'm doing good work since it definitely has motivated me to keep plugging away. With the question about Ian, he works with us - he's my colleague and supervisor. He tends to take on the more science oriented classes as well as perform some of the needed management stuff to keep us going. With the student, we've gotten in contact with the student's instructor, so hopefully they won't continue on trying to re-add the content like they have been. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * - Actually we support about 8000 students in the Spring, and about as many in the Fall. We both work for Wiki Education, which originated as part of the Education Program at WMF, but was spun off into a separate non-profit in 2014. We work specifically with higher ed in the US and Canada. We are all Wikipedians - I'm been an editor since 2004, an admin since 2005. Shalor has been here since 2006, and an admin since 2013.
 * We are in touch with the instructors we support - in exchange for our resources (our Dashboard to assign work and track their students, our training modules, and the support of Shalor, my colleague . In the case of this class, I was able to contact the instructor, who spoke to the student and (hopefully) got them to stop editing that article. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help request from Sentura (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...publishing my page on Wikipedia

--Sentura (talk) 09:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:43, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Sourcing and POV concerns with Wiki Ed/UCSD/IPE Money and Finance IMF WB (Fall 2019)
I've come across a few of the articles created by this course in the new pages feed, and I'm rather concerned with the output. While contributions from WikiEd courses often leave something to be desired, in this case the vast majority of the articles created by students appear to only include sources from the World Bank and IMF, despite those organizations not being independent of the World Bank. This is a disservice to both Wikipedia and the students, because it leaves Wikipedia with a bunch of one-sided articles and leaves the students with the impression that the World Bank is an uncontroversial and indisputable authority on its own operations. It is doubly concerning that this course appears to have been taught more than once. Is there any way to make sure that students in this course are properly instructed in Wikipedia's policies on neutrality and source reliability? signed,Rosguill talk 01:31, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * imho, this deserves wider notice from the folks at WP:ENB. Please consider either moving this discussion to the ENB, or adding a Notification message at the ENB pointing to this discussion. (I vote for the former.) Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 10:11, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Done, this conversation can continue at ENB. signed,Rosguill talk 17:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'll respond there! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:17, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Bad edits from students
I have just spent a significant amount of time trying to clean up Food history, which was edited by several students participating in History 101D Topics in the World History of Science.

I and other editors have had to delete just about everything that the student editors added: User:KarlyKerod, User:KobeBuckets24, User:Ab3l100, User:XBradley, User:Jgaliste, User:Cvillabe, User:CamsTwitter, User:Gracesyl.

The quality of their edits ranges from bad to awful. Much of it is essentially paraphrasing a source, notably Laudan's (great!) Cuisine and Empire. But even when they're paraphrasing, they paraphrase badly. They miss the temporal, spatial, and conceptual context that makes the material meaningful, and sometimes write the exact opposite of what the source says. For example, Laudan says "The earliest Buddhists cuisine emphasized steamed or boiled rice, sugar, and ghee and shunned meat and alcohol. It began ... in 260 B.C.E." (p. 103) and later "... from early, ... Buddhist cuisine downplayed meat and alcohol.... By the fifth century C.E., Indians... largely rejected the killing of cattle..." (p. 109). This becomes "Starting in the 5th century CE, the earliest Buddhist meals were made up predominately [sic] of rice, sugar, ghee, meat and alcohol." Not only does the WP wording directly contradict the source, but it somehow thinks that the 5th century CE is "early", when the source dates early Buddhist cuisine to the 3rd century BCE. Or "Christian cuisine, which was established around the first to third century, and was indebted to Islamic cuisine, spread over vast areas of the old Roman Empire." -- another chronology problem here. The passage starting "Cuisine was thought to have symbolic meaning as well." is a bad paraphrase of Laudan's discussion of Sufi imagery (p. 153), not about Islamic thought in general.

There are also huge generalizations and platitudes and nonsense like "The Middle Ages, also referred to as the Dark Ages, began in Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire and lasted for almost a thousand years, leading up to the Renaissance." and "The idea of feasting and fasting rose with Christian cuisine in the late fifteenth century."

Besides good sources used badly (Laudan), there are plenty of bad sources, too. Not just pap like Food through the ages : from stuffed dormice to pineapple, but also random enthusiast web sites like. Oh, and almost none of the book references has page numbers, which makes it very hard to check the sources.

Information irrelevant to food history gets thrown in: "Parts of the rice plant are used to feed livestock, construction, clothing items, and cleaning tools".

And then there are the completely garbled, incomplete, nonsensical, and ungrammatical sentences like "Until the modernization and urbanization food in the nineteenth century." and "Both Portugal and Spain were expanding beyond just that of the New World in the late fifteenth and early sixteenth century."

It's not just this particular class that has contributed low-quality text to WP. For example, we have User:Pattywinter writing:
 * As of the 1970s, the RICO Act planned the raging racketeering allowing an individual directing these movements to independently being charged for the crimes of the group.

for OLES 2129 Writing for the Digital World at the University of Sydney. Huh?

I love the idea of teaching students to edit Wikipedia. It should benefit both Wikipedia and the students. But the way it's being done in a lot of classes, with students dumping poorly understood material into Wikipedia as incorrect paraphrases, and no feedback or supervision of their efforts, it benefits neither Wikipedia nor the students. I know it is possible to do much better. --Macrakis (talk) 23:57, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know about this ! I will definitely scrutinze these edits. With the edits as a whole, I do try to catch bad work as quickly as possible - and ideally before it can go live - but sometimes things will slip through the cracks. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Shalor, it's unrealistic to expect one editor -- you -- to monitor the output of hundreds of students. It should be the instructors of these courses that impose some sort of quality control, which obviously they're not doing. I wonder how they evaluate the student work. Are they just looking at the character count of the edits? How can we encourage instructors to review contributions more carefully? ... and keep track of those instructors who don't take their role seriously? --Macrakis (talk) 20:17, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi : We provide our instructors with a great deal of training on how to run a Wikipedia assignment, including advice on evaluating quality. We always discourage instructors from evaluating content based on character or word count, and encourage them to evaluate based on quality of the students' edits. The vast majority of instructors we work with do their very best to ensure the quality of the work their students upload to Wikipedia. We'll follow up with the UC Santa Cruz instructor to see what happened. In terms of the University of Sydney course, that's not one Wiki Education supports (we only support courses in the U.S. and Canada), so I can't speak for the work of that class. Maybe can, so pinging her.  Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Macrakis, thanks for your note here as it helps me to know that I'm not the only one that finds it so hard to understand how a college student can do so poorly and how it is that their instructors seem to do so poorly as well. In all the time I've been here only two students have done really good work on the articles that I watch.  Several others have done (barely) passing work and the rest have done just awful.  I wish that those editors like you and myself that have been here for a long time with a good record and many edits could speak directly with the instructors.  Gandydancer (talk) 16:35, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. My partner is a college professor, and tells me that some of her first-year students write similarly badly. She and her colleagues spend considerable effort on giving them feedback to improve their writing, so that by the time they've graduated, they're doing much better. And some of her colleagues assign Wikipedia editing. Here, for example, is one of their students' edits -- very good, I'd say! (cf. )
 * Sadly, it is obvious that no one is bothering to read and correct a lot of these other student edits at all. Many are stitched together from source texts, paraphrasing just enough so that it isn't blatant plagiarism, but clearly not understanding the original source, and certainly not organizing their contributions into cogent presentations. Some aren't even intelligible English. Maybe the supervising instructors are content that the students have mastered the mechanics of adding text to Wikipedia, regardless of the value of the content. That's a terrible goal!
 * (Pinging because of his helpful edits on Food history and his experience as a professor and writer.)
 * How can we improve this situation? --Macrakis (talk) 19:21, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm going to move this over to ENB since this is addressing a larger topic and as such would be better at ENB, where it can be expanded on more. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:47, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I wasn't sure what the right place was.... --Macrakis (talk) 22:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I've copied this back to my talk page - it looks like ENB wasn't the best place just yet and my talk page would be the better place offhand. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:32, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Fransplace's talk page shows that they have not responded there to several concerns about their classes / related student editing over the past year. At this point, unless Fransplace provides a thorough response to past concerns, it seems reasonable to discourage this user from having future classes edit wikipedia. I understand that this Australian class is outside the scope of wikiedu, but wikiedu should have the contact info for wikimedia staff that oversees classes in Australia and other english speaking regions.Dialectric (talk) 22:17, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That would be a question to direct to the Wikimedia Foundation Education team -- they work globally. Pinging them: . --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 00:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Lisa B. Kahn
Hello Shalor, I'm reviewing Lisa B. Kahn as a new page patroller. The article contains many summaries of Kahn's journal articles. This is not typical for an article on an academic unless the single article had a significant impact. I'm going to trim these as an editor is likely to remove them in the future or template for primary sources. If you or the student think I've removed too much please feel free to revert the edit! Best, AugusteBlanqui (talk) 08:02, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Go for it - I've done similar with some of the other students' work as well. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:55, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

List of subpages
What code can I use to list all of the sub pages that I have created? I used this code but it didn't list all my sub pages:. This page was not in the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lizrileymga/Evaluate_an_Article. Thank you.
 * Will respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Educator Out Here Crashing the Wiki Web
Shalor! Greetings from the tundra of the great North of the US. I attended a conference and came up with a lesson and assignment plan for undergraduates in my Writing for Media course to address marginalized athletes. I called the assignment "Addressing the Marginalized Athlete—Writing Wikipedia Across Running Cultures" and assigned students an athlete to research. They built annotated bibliographies (learning verification and how to find news sources). Then they had to summarize and synthesize their bibliographies into articles, written in Word documents.

Today was the final step of the assignment! In the computer classroom, the students learned basic Wiki-markup and were assigned to post their articles. They worked until the end of class, and then I showed them how to post. We all posted together and ... then we were all blocked and it looked as though all our accounts would be deleted by Bbb23 and his sockpuppetry searching machines. He suggested talking with you about how to avoid this from happening in the future. I'm happy to receive any advice you'd have for me (especially mid-semester! I can do a lot more in the summer, but right now I'm limited with time.)

Thanks, Shalor!

Comm260 ncu (talk) 00:15, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi ! Can you contact us at contact@undefinedwikiedu.org? Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Question Regarding Editing an Article
Hi Shalor, I'm a student editor and I'll be working on the article 'Wiegenlied (Brahms)'. The training material says to make small edits in my sandbox and then move them, but the WikiEDU page makes it sound more like I need to bring over all the edits at once to my sandbox and then ask for your review at the end. Which will work best for you? Thank you! CelloCello1 (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:38, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Question about content guidelines
I'd like to work on making substantial contributions to the existing email marketing article as part of my course assignment. Are there any specific guidelines or templates for the content that should be included such articles? I tried looking in the project groups the article is assigned to but could not find anything. Thank you. Ereed23 (talk) 03:55, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ereed23, In order to distinguish your comment from the one by another user in the section above yours on a different topic, I've added the section title "Question about content guidelines" to this discussion. I hope that's okay with you; feel free to change the section heading to something else that more closely aligns with your intended topic. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 12:04, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Will respond on talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:25, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

speedy deletion sandbox
Hi there, can you help me understand what this message means? I got it on my talk page. I'm doing the work in my sandbox b/c of a course requirements. THanks Amy BeamerWaterloo (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of User:BeamerWaterloo/sandbox

A tag has been placed on User:BeamerWaterloo/sandbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. creffett (talk) 00:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply - I'll respond on your user talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:59, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Sgonz163 (talk) 07:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello.

I need help with saving my bibliography! I am so clueless on how to add and save info to my sandbox. I tried following instructions to create user pages but when I followed the video it didn't allow me to add it. As of now, I am keeping all research on a Word document because I can't figure out how to save it. I have copy and pasted my bibliography into several tabs through wiki and I've had no luck. Thanks! Sorry if this is a dumb question I'm so lost.
 * Not a dumb question at all! Can you email me at shalor@undefinedwikiedu.org with a screenshot of what you are seeing? Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 00:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Response to requests for assessment
Hello Shalor, I am contacting you based on dialogue from the talk page of User:Jmjosh90, who had expressed some concern about a lack of response regarding assessments. I am concerned about the backlog in unassessed articles and articles due for reassessment. These processes may not mean much to veteran editors, but they are critical feedback mechanisms for less experienced editors. While I believe it would be ill-advised to promise that assessments will always happen quickly, I am frustrated with some of the WikiProjects in the lack of communications. Too often talk page inquiries go answered, and it seems to me that this will cause us to lose newer editors, whom we will all depend on to help us to sustain Wikipedia. I am not familiar with the Wikipedia Education outreach, but I have noticed improvements at Wikipedia at large in assisting novice editors, such as Articles for Creation and Teahouse. I am hoping to do what I can to make a few of the WikiProjects more welcoming. If you encounter other editors who are interested in content under the scope of WikiProject Mexico, WikiProject Texas, or WikiProject Houston, please encourage them to ask for help at the talk page of those projects as I am currently monitoring all of those pages. There is a similar effort to reactivate WikiProject History. Sincerely, Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 20:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

--07:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)07:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)07:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)~
 * Than you for the feedback! Community feedback is invaluable! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 00:50, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/University of Alabama/Organizational Communication (Spring 2020)
Hi Shalor. Hope 2020 has been a good one for you and yours. I noticed something at Talk:Kobe Bryant that was apparently posted by, one of the students participating in the above-mentioned Wiki-Ed course. I totally get that Bryant's death is one of the hot topics worldwide at the moment, but this might not be the best possible article for this student editor to assign to themselves.This article has been heavily edited by all kinds of people over the past few days which makes it pretty unstable at the moment; moreover, it's also been semi-protected since 2007 which means there's probbaly been some serious disruption that's happening to it over the years. Right now, the talk page is receiving lots of WP:ERs, some good some bad, by people wanting to edit the article and this is only going to likely remain the state of things at least for the immediate future. There's even been talk of promoting the article for GA once things settle down a bit; furthermore, even though Bryant is dead, the article is still likely going to be subject to BLP per BDP with respect to content about him, particularly anything contentious, for some time to come, and BLP will still apply to content about other living persons. All of these things combined might not make this the ideal article for a student to try and be working on for a grade since their edits are probably going to be highly scrutinized and others might be a little less tolerant of certain things than they might normally be.Anyway, you've got much more experience in dealing with these students than I and as the course's Wiki-Ed advisor maybe your take on this is different. For sure, it's also possible that this student will turn out to be an exceptional contributor to the article; however, after only a handful of edits, this might not the right fit for such an inexperienced editor. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know! It's a good question to ask, but not the topic I would recommend for a new user or new student user. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking a look at this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:54, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Help with using the sandbox
Shalor I am trying to edit the article "Solar Eclipses on the Moon." I have added a citation to the article and I am not sure what other changes I made but I do not see them in my sandbox. I really do not have a clue as to what I am doing. Can you please help?Qtwinbush45 (talk) 14:17, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:26, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

St. Mary's College
In following a notice on an article being tagged for WikiEd use, I noticed the course page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/Saint_Mary%27s_College/Research_Methods_in_History_(Spring_2020) refers to St. Mary's College, no further description. Since there are at least fifty of these documented in Wikipedia, may I suggest some disambiguation is useful? With some minor detective work, I determined this one is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Mary%27s_College_(Indiana). Regards, Tarl N. ( discuss ) 17:08, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know about this - I'll bring this up with my colleagues. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:39, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Angelcool2589 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with..

--Angelcool2589 (talk) 19:41, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi! How can I help you? Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:54, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Taking information from personal talk page, and inserting onto talk page of article
Good evening! I am working through our talk/peer review assignment, and am ready to merge my proposed edits into the talk page of an existing article. Can you remind me how to do that? The articles appear in my sandbox but haven't been moved to the actual talk page on the article itself. help? Gkyoungren (talk) 04:39, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Will respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:11, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Shalor (Wiki Ed)/common.js
That line should read

btw. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from bbakkal
Hello.

I need help with...

Beach cleaning is a solid litter removing the process from beaches and water banks. Humans beings consciously or unconsciously pollute the marine environment by discarded human-made materials such as plastic bottles and bags, fishing gears and nets, cigarette buds, tires, rubbers, paper, and textiles et cetera. Such solid materials drift from oceans onto lands and accumulate on beaches. These contaminants are called “marine debris” and harms ecology, health, and economy or coastal tourism (Krelling, 2017). Beaches are recreational areas and attract many local or international visitors for tanning, swimming, walking or surfing. But a contaminated beach might impact the environment and economy through the globe, because the marine debris may be unattractive for many beach users due to aesthetic value or health concerns. Ballance, et al. 's (2000) study shows that a clean beach is a very important determiner for many local and international tourists in South Africa. According to the study, local and international tourists choose to visit the country because of beaches and proper climate conditions. If the tourists do not find a clean bleach, they travel to different regions of the country to find a clean beach (Ballance, et al, 2000). So, cleanliness is very important for the tourism industry of countries. A clean beach can be an indicator of the environmental quality and development level of a country. Beach Cleaning Health Index is the cleaning classification standard of countries and their beaches such as European countries. The European beach classifications: A for excellent, B for good, C for regular, and D for bad (Araújo et al. 2008). Beach cleaning demands some management arrangements, cleaning methods, special tools, and some human sources. recreational beaches classification in a rank of four indicators.

--bbakkal 00:00, 16 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbakkal (talk • contribs)
 * Looks like Ian and Elysia have answered on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:53, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from CelloCello1 (talk)
Hi Shalor,

I'm a student editor and I'm ready for a sandbox review! The WikiEd page for my class generated a sandbox page for my edits here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CelloCello1/Wiegenlied_(Brahms)

Please let me know if any improvements are needed!

Thanks,

--CelloCello1 (talk) 00:42, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Shalor
Hello.

I need help with sandbox. I have written a first draft about history student affairs in Canadian few day ago, but when i opened sandbox today, Feb 17, there is nothing in my sandbox. Can you please explain what have I done wrong. Thanks.Rebus2020 (talk) 12:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)MarjanaRebus2020 (talk) 12:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:41, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Sydneywishnow (talk)
Hello.

I need help with ensuring I've added to my wikipedia article draft. I just added something to the talk page, but I'm not sure whether that actually made an edit to the article page itself.

Please let me know

--Sydneywishnow (talk) 17:59, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

I moved my page How can I undo this ?
Hi my name is Ana Reyes. I accidently moved my page and now it's telling me my work won't be saved that I edited. I tried undoing it but it wouldn't let me. Can you help me ? Thank you for your time, Ana Reyes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reyes ana10 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 18 February 2020 (UTC) Reyes ana10 (talk) 21:00, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi I made a mistake and tried renaming my page but instead I moved it, and it got deleted because it didn't exist. Can you retrieve it please? Thankyou ! Reyes ana10 (talk) 21:22, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:25, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Question about adding a picture
Hi Shalor, I am having some trouble adding a picture for the article I'm working on for my class. I have done the training, etc. but want to make sure I do all of this correctly. Do you mind providing some insight on best methods of adding a picture of a book from 1995? This is my draft for Baby Be-Bop. Any assistance you could provide would be greatly appreciated! Amdoubleu (talk) 20:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:42, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello again, just wanted to reach out as I just published my article. Would you mind providing some information on how to best upload the book cover? Amdoubleu (talk) 17:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Student Article Help
I have been working on google docs to save all my information, but I have been trying to organize and put together my article on Wikipedia for class and I am so confused because nothing is showing up on my class page and my article name Judas ullulaq is not showing up. I need help please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxygaga (talk • contribs) 05:40, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi! I'll respond on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Help request (Elvisq00)
Hi! Can you give me any advice for improving this article? I'm not sure if the information I added is too much or if it's irrelevant. I added a new subheading for Tv advertising to Children. Also I added some information about the phone advertising to children. I'm wondering if the recent changes are helping the article out.--Elvisq00 (talk) 03:37, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I will respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:03, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Claim of plagiarism
Hi thank you for your help but I did not pull the information you told me I did from the site you gave me, it actually was pulled from the CDC website https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention-treatment.html, thank you for your help and will take anymore constructive criticism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamqtpi (talk • contribs) 20:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Clarify plagiarism
Since it is from the CDC aren't I allowed to take the information and use it in my edit? and could you please read my sandbox to see if it is suitable to add thisto the coronavirus Wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamqtpi (talk • contribs) 04:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You can, but not all info may work well in the article verbatim. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Page mover granted
Hello, Shalor (Wiki Ed). Your account has been [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AShalor_(Wiki_Ed) granted] the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when  is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:
 * Requested moves
 * Category:Articles to be moved, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:17, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Left A Message for You Regarding Help
Hi Shalor!

Thank you for helping us students. I just left you a message in another section. In it I ask for help regarding my Infobox (I'm getting error messages, have tried over seven times, and pasted in the code I'm using). I've watched videos and read articles. Please can you help me?

Thank you!

SunshinePowers (talk) 20:24, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Can do! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:41, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you SO much for doing all of that and the tips! I greatly appreciate it. I won't be able to get back to it today, but I'll look at your advice when I do. Thank you gain!

SunshinePowers (talk) 21:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Aliree14 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with... finding reliable sources for citation and reference links. This is a for a school assignment. How do I find reliable sources?

--Aliree14 (talk) 01:55, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * This is an excellent question!
 * A great place to start would be your school or local library. Don't be afraid about asking the librarians for help - they're trained to help you research and if they're anything like me, they will greatly enjoy the process of showing you what the library has to offer and what will come up during a search. If you can't go to the library in person, many libraries have chat and email where you can ask them to help find sources or any tips or tricks for your specific library. (Different libraries can often have different operating systems.) Be very careful about using Internet search providers like Google, as not everything that comes up will be usable as a source.
 * A good way to tell if a source is reliable would be to look and see if they have visible information about their editorial and verification process. If this is missing then that's a strong sign that they're likely not reliable. Another way would be to look at their website. Is the site in good working order or are pages down or broken? If so, then that's not a very good sign towards their quality. The same goes for spelling and grammatical errors.
 * A good sign that a site or publication would be reliable is if they're routinely used as a reliable source by other reliable sources (especially academic and scholarly sources), have won awards from reputable places for their work, or have been frequently mentioned in reliable sources for their quality.
 * I hope that this answer helps and I'll give more specific advice on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:56, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Smiley457 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with figuring out how to start using sandbox. How do you begin to make changes to sandbox? Thank you very much.

--Smiley457 (talk) 16:48, 1 March 2020 (UTC) Kelly Morgan
 * I'll respond on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:22, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Final Revisions
Hi Shalor, my article is due for the mainspace tomorrow around noon. I made note of the changes you had suggested and added more citations and references. Is there any way you can glance over my article again to be sure there are no major red flags that could possibly get my page removed tomorrow? I'm hoping my changes made a difference to my paper, please let me know if there are any other corrections that should be made immediately. Thanks for your help! Sgonz163 (talk) 19:52, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll check! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:27, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Question
So this is a bit of a stretch but figured you might be better suited to help. There is a group of students on IT wikiversity, editing under their professor, however they're all minors (like younger than 10) and posting PII. I've had it oversighted but this seems to be a trend from this teacher and there isn't a super active local community. Is there anyone within Wikied that speaks Italian and might be willing to chime in? I don't want to discourage them entirely but I think 8 year olds posting PII is...dangerous. Also feel free to e-mail me if you feel it's better suited there given the sensitive topic.Thanks! Praxidicae (talk) 15:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately we don't have anyone that speaks Italian - I would check in with this group. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Katiepierce14 (talk)Katie Pierce
Hello.

I need help with reviewing my article to make sure that it is in the correct format and good to go to be posted on wikipedia.

Thank you!

--Katiepierce14 (talk) 04:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)Katie Pierce
 * Will respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Removed Page
Hello Shalor-

I had just uploaded my Wikipedia article and it was removed by you. I was just hoping I could receive more feedback as to what needs to be added to my article. I'm struggling greatly to find additional information on my artist and can use any extra help. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amiratotah (talk • contribs) 23:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be giving feedback soon! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:48, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Page moves
Hello, Shalor,

What's up with all of the page moves today? I've just been following behind, cleaning up broken redirects. But there are usually just a few every day and today there are a lot to fix and I thought I'd inquire what's going on. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 02:58, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - I have a course that moved their pages live this week, however several of the articles need some more TLC before they should be live. I've been trying to take care of the redirects, but it looks like I've missed a lot! I have been trying to do them with my work account rather than my volunteer one, which has admin privileges - would this impact that any? Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:09, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Tyra Shackleford- Wikipedia
Hi, I don't understand what you mean by "it needs some work." I am struggling to find content on my artist, Tyra Shackleford. Can you clarify as to how I can fix my article? Many thanks, Lucky Nguyen. Lnguy166 (talk) 03:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi! I've been trying to go back through and leave notes now that I've moved pages back - I'll get to yours next! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:10, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Alexisperez31 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with moving my article to the main space and i actually am having difficulty even finding where my article is, i was trying to fix up my article using the notes you gave me but i can't find access to my article

--Alexisperez31 (talk) 07:07, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Alexisperez31 (talk)
Hello.

i found my article sorry, but i did send an email to get some help with formatting and moving to main space because i thought that just pressing publish changes it moved to the main space, it would a lot of help since i just found out it isn't in the mainspace,

--Alexisperez31 (talk) 07:13, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Will respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

"edited down for tone, original research"
Hello there, I am reaching out because I had several chunks of my article erased. In my article, you erased famous artworks that I listed and explained, and you put a title saying "select article". Can you please explain why you did this and what this means? This is a school assignment so clarity and full details would be great for this. I would also love to know what "original research" means? If it means plagiarized, I know for a fact that I did not plagiarize or intend to do so. Again, as many details as possible would be appreciated given that some things are taken out and this is a school assignment so I need to have this done by a certain date and done right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjone051 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Victoriareyes19 (talk)
Hello Shalor,

I need help with uploading my wiki page to the main space. I made a lot of changes to my article and I believe it is time to upload it. Thank you, Victoria Reyes

--Victoriareyes19 (talk) 05:47, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Moving page back to Wiki
Hello! I have made some changes to my article and I think that I can put it back on Wiki. I am not sure what else I can change with the article. Thank you very much! I am also having trouble finding the notes you left for me. TimothyWuUCR (talk) 14:53, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:12, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from 169.235.64.151 (talk)
Hi Shalor, I wanted to ask for advice on how to improve my wiki article or what to do to confidently post it. My particular artist, Katrina Mitten, has very little information about her. I also do not know how to add a table of contents and just generally make my article look more professional. It would be greatly appreciated if you could advice me on what to do.

--169.235.64.151 (talk) 02:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Will take a look! (also removing real name) Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Meganperron (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...

I want to submit this to the mainspace. I think I have but Im not sure.

--Meganperron (talk) 02:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:21, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Review of my post for assignment
Hi Shalor,

I need some help revising my section for an assignment. It's currently in my sandbox, do I post here first?

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by JJones1014 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:43, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Help on my article
Hello,

I'm in an African Politics class. I need some help on my article and I was wondering if you were available to help.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roarkstata (talk • contribs) 19:17, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)