User talk:Shalor (Wiki Ed)/Archive 17

Picture for my article
Hi Shalor,

I'm working on the Deaf President Now article for my class and wanted to change the main photo of the article. The photo is taken from the book: Deaf president now! : the 1988 revolution at Gallaudet University by John B. Christiansen, Sharon N. Barnartt and is found on page 75.

Can I use this? How can I tell which pictures I can and can't use for my article? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alittlebird1 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Will respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:16, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Citing a source I do not have full access to
Hi Shalor. I am currently working on my sandbox draft, and I have found a source that I feel has good information. I do not have full access to the source, but I can access an introduction and a general overview, and I have spotted quite a bit of strong information from that alone. Am I allowed to cite the source in this case, even if I cannot have full access to it? The source does have a DOI listed. Thank you! JoelyB (talk) 23:09, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Cgonz527 (talk)
Hello.

My four different article ideas

Self-care – Body composition • Physical fitness

Nutrition – Calorie restriction • Dietary supplements (Amino acids, Minerals, Nootropics, Nutrients, Vitamins) • Diet (nutrition) • Dieting

Physical exercise – Stretching • Overtraining • Aerobic exercise • Anaerobic exercise • Sport

Health science - Nutrition

--Cgonz527 (talk) 14:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Template of Evaluating an Article
Hello! I just started my exercise of evaluating an article. But I found that there's no template in my page so I just wrote a paragraph, which looks a little ugly. Could you please help me to find out the template of evaluation? Thanks!Pingxia (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[|Evaluating an article]Evaluate_an_Article
 * I think I've found solutions! Thanks! --Pingxia (talk) 19:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm glad that things worked out! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

RE: Article Feedback
Hi Shalor!

Thank you for the feedback! I have incorporated your suggestions into my draft. Would you say I addressed everything properly? Also, would you suggest using the American spelling of color, or should I use the "colour" spelling that was there when I started? Thanks again! Ben Novotny (talk) 16:02, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The spelling has been changed to British English. Thank you for the help! Ben Novotny (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Apryo574 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with... I believe I followed the steps correctly in making my groups article on Beth Piatote go live, but the bottom of the page there is red font that makes me believe I did not do this correctly. Could you help me fix what I did wrong?

--Apryo574 (talk) 03:36, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone else caught it! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Anonymous goldfish (talk)
Hello.

I need help with... at the bottom of the page, there is a box that says the page is still a use sandbox and another message that says "This template should only be used in the user namespace" but I moved the page as an "article". Why is the message still there if I moved it out of my sandbox?

Thanks!

--Anonymous goldfish (talk) 03:56, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone took care of it! Basically, this happens when the sandbox tag is left in the article - it's an easy fix. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from @Phuongdong0701
Dear Ms. Shalor,

I received a message from wikipedia that my page Stephen Chow - Actor (Wikipedia Project in Class) was deleted without my acknowledgement. I acknowledge the reference that user gives to me. However, Could it be possible for me to retrieve the written information in this page source things that I have because I do not have a draft copy of that or just undo thing then I can get the stuffs out so that I will make some change to fit with the Wikipedia policy? I would be appreciate!!!

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phuongdong0701 (talk • contribs) 03:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't restore it, but I can send a copy to your instructor for grading purposes. I'll reply with more info on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:03, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Could you check out Wiki Ed/Brandeis/Latinx Futurisms (Spring 2020)?
You're listed as the point of contact on the page and for lack of a better way to say this it's clear that the instructors & students involved need some help on how Wiki Ed works. Chess (talk) Ping when replying 06:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know - I've stepped in! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Amykimmers (talk)
Hello.

I need help with my page I just uploaded for Sphagnum papillosum. I drafted the article in my sandbox and tried to move it from the sandbox into the main space; however, I made a mistake the first time by not changing the "user" to article and the title from my username to its actual title, so I tried it again the second time and it seems to have redirected the article back to my user page? I'm not sure what to do as I can't find my article anymore. Please let me know how I can fix this, thank you.

Sincerely, Amy

--Amykimmers (talk) 05:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - it looks like it was moved correctly! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

RE：Copyright/plagiarism in Baihao Yinzhen
Hi Moneytrees! Thank you for reminding me about the copyright issue. This is my first time editing a WIKI page and I'll pay attention to it in the future. I'll organize my information again and upload in the right way. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KZZZ01 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Salgo v. Leland Stanford Jr. University Board of Trustees
Shalor, I pinged you about your nomination back on March 23, and you moved the notification to mako's page where he said that same day that they'd take care of it in the next few days. Unfortunately, that is the most recent edit from them, and the article remains unchanged. I'm punting this back to you because this is your nomination, and it's been over a month since the review. I'm hoping that you have a more direct way to get in touch with them, and can perhaps move this along. If there is no action soon, the nomination could be closed due to lack of progress. Thanks for your attention to this. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * - I've removed the external link mentioned. The instructor is the one who is meant to work on this more - . Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like the work you did was what the reviewer was looking for; the nomination has been approved, and is now awaiting promotion. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Ed, advertising and Wikipedia
"Students will create a complete digital campaign using social media to advertise, promote, and market a student-created business, cause, or interest and contribute to wikipedia [sic] articles." - I find this conjunction of advertisement and Wikipedia... worrisome. How is Wikipedia integrated into the rest of the coursework? And is this in Wikipedia's best interest? Huon (talk) 23:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hm, sounds like they're hoisting their not here banner up the flagpole. Should we just ask the instructor what their intention is? Besides just Shalor_, this should probably be escalated so Ryan and others are aware; Huon, any objection to closing here, and moving this to WP:ENB, which seems like a better venue for this? Mathglot (talk) 23:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I would have assumed that Shalor, as the content expert, would be in the best position to know what's going on here. If there's another more suitable venue, I'm not opposed to moving the discussion there. Huon (talk) 00:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * My read of the course description includes two distinct elements: complete digital campaign using social media and contribute to wikipedia, but we can clarify this with the instructor. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 02:06, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, pending Shalor's comments, consensus seems to be to keep it here for now. Course instructor is &#91;noping&#93;. Mathglot (talk) 04:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, - my understanding of the description was that the Wikipedia assignment would be completely separate from the digital media campaign, but we will be clarifying this with the instructor and will respond back here. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That understanding indeed is a possible interpretation of the sentence as written, but in that case I wonder why the course has two completely separate assignments and spends so much space on Wikipedia describing the assignment that isn't Wikipedia-related. Thanks for taking this up with them. Huon (talk) 19:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * In my experience, most of the time the instructor has a general course description that they will copy and paste into the description section on Dashboard. I've had other classes make mention of this being one of several assignments, such as this being a term project, mid-term, and that there will be something else, like a paper. We're in the process of making sure that this is the case. In the meantime I'm more closely scrutinizing their edits just to be sure. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've heard back from the instructor - the digital media campaign is meant to be completely separate from Wikipedia. They've been trying to make sure that the students are aware of Wikipedia's rules and guidelines, but they've run into some setbacks with so many colleges and other schools moving online. It's really disrupted things in general with a lot of instructors, to be honest. He's going to reinforce that they need to follow guidelines. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Ed/Florida International University/IDH3035 - Digital Fairytale (Spring 2020) is turning into a trainwreck. Just about every article created is being deleted, or redirected to a pre-existing page. One way to prevent this would have been to vet the topics chosen by students before they started writing. But the writing style was almost always a school essay, it seems the writers did not know what an encyclopedia is for. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll reach out to the instructor again. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Debriefing - Best Practices
Hi, I received the below message that a subsection of the Debriefing article I was editing was removed:

"Debriefing[edit] Hi! I saw that you added a lot of content to the section on best practices. I've reverted this for the time being and wanted to explain why:

This was written in a very casual tone, as it was more of a "how to guide" than a neutrally written article. A section like this should summarize what has been written about efficiency and what elements tend to make up the best debriefings in reliable sources, but in a way that doesn't tell the reader "do this to have the best results", rather something along the lines of "researchers have noted that X, Y, and Z are common elements of successful debriefings". We also need to avoid subjective terms like "best" or "perfect" unless we're quoting someone who is making a statement. However even with that, in a section like this that should be kept to a minimum. Avoid using "we" and "you" - Wikipedia uses the formal third person. This needed more sourcing to back up claims, as much of the section was unsourced. I hope that this helps! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)"

I have the following questions:

I added one link to an online source which pointe to research that was performed by a professor at Rice Univeristy. Instead of publishing changes prematurely, should I draft my changes outside of Wikipedia and then publish the changes when finalized or can I work on the article within Wikipedia?
 * Sorry if I may have missed this information, but is there a minimum number of sources that needed to be included?
 * My changes were not complete since this article edit is for a school project that is not yet due.
 * I intend to rename the subheading to "Common Practices in Debriefing". Can I republish my changes using this title and making changes based on your recommendations above?

Efurtado2 (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Student project
Hallo, I noticed on the talk page of Mirabal sisters that it's the subject of a student project Wiki Ed/Xavier University of Louisiana/Women in World History - 02 (Spring 2020) and that your name is associated with the project.

Looking at the course page it looks as if the students are expecting to create a nice polished draft and then, in week 7, move it into mainspace overwriting the existing article - for subjects like this one, Sylvia Pankhurst(C class), Marie Antoinette (B class and protected) and others.

This reads like a recipe for disaster, or at least for conflict between ill-advised students and the long-term editors who have worked on the existing articles. Is this really the model they are using? I hope not. Pam D  20:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Further: although the top of the course page talks about "Students will be making a small contribution to a page on a woman in history", the last couple of sections of week 6 imply a total rewrite. Pam  D  20:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi - I think with the minor vs full edits part, this is because the Dashboard is typically set up for students making more major edits and as such, the timeline language is more specific to larger edits than smaller edits. I'll double check with the instructor and verify this. I'll also recommend that they focus on editing articles that are more in immediate need of editing (stub and start class). Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:06, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * PamD, thanks for spotting this. I concur that overwriting an existing article is ill-considered. The bios of Chanel, Millay, and Ida Wells, for example, are all already B-class. Shalor, to what you said about stub/start class articles, they are not necessarily the only articles in immediate need of editing. There are plenty of longer articles that may have been out there for a long time that have various issues. Finding the right one to match the course material and the instructor's goals is another issue. If the instructor's article list is not set in stone, there are plenty of women in world history whose articles need improvement, which may however not be "A-list" bios like Marie Antoinette, or the three I listed.  One place to start, would be the category system, and another might be the Wikipedia projects Women in Red and WP:WOMEN. Please keep me in the loop.  Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 04:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I've reached out to the instructor and asked that they dissuade students from editing major pages. They're supposed to be a small edits class, so they should only be adding a couple of sentences worth of content at most, but I do agree that there are other targets that could be easier for the students to edit. I'm going to keep an eye on their edits and if they make any poor edits, try to revert them as quickly as possible. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your follow-up and vigilance. Mathglot (talk) 19:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, hope the class goes smoothly. Maybe the course notes were unclearly worded. Pam  D  21:57, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

create a new article
Hi Shalor.

I am currently an student. I am getting to know how to use Wikipedia for my assignment by following instruction on my dashboard. The most difficult thing is that I am looking for a article to write about. I wonder If I am able to create a new article name " Certified Public Accountant in the United State". there is a article named "Certified Public Accountant" which already exists on Wikipedia. Can you let me know if I can do it? I appreciate it? thanks. PHUONGDOAN COD (talk) 22:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:20, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

hi, thank you for your responding. It is very useful, however, I am still confusing about this. So you meant, I am able to change the structure or revise the set up of the page of the existing article, I don't need to follow the sections which are ordered.PHUONGDOAN COD (talk) 17:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shalor.

thanks for your replying. I have been looking for reliable sources about "Certified Public Accountant" many days. I could not find much. However, I just figured it out that the term" CPA" used only in the United State, other countries use " CA", Which means " Chartered Accountants", that is why the article Certified Public Accountant is written more about American perspective.PHUONGDOAN COD (talk) 23:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It may just be an American term for the most part. To be on the safe side, I'm going to bring this up on a special WikiProject set up specifically for accounting topics and ask about this. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Imani Florence (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...

Hello Ms. Shalor. I am Imani Florence from Xavier University of Louisiana. I contacting you to know if I can receive information about the information I added to my sandbox. Thank you.

--Imani Florence (talk) 06:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Feminist performance art
Hi, Shalor! I'm afraid you get a lot of these requests ... You're listed on this course page as a WikiEd contact. Is there any way you could communicate to those taking or teaching that course that content added to Feminist performance art needs to be (a) relevant to that topic and (b) properly sourced? I'd be grateful. It's nothing like a Wikipedia article anyway (a student essay from some earlier WikiEd project), but this attention is not making it better. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:39, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know ! I'll jump in straightaway! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Delete images due to copyright
Hi Shalor,

I wanted to add some images to my new wikipedia page that is still in drafting process. I was testing how to upload some images then I got asked to remove them due to copyright violations or something? I thought my wikipedia page was not public because it's not on the main page. If you could figure out how to remove these two images thank you! They are on my talk page.

User talk:Hapalow —Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 26 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll respond on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Uploading images
Hi Shalor, I wanted to add an image of the person I am writing a biography on but I am unable to do so. His picture is not in any of the websites or forms suggested in the tutorial. I can't take my own picture of him. What would you suggest I do?

Cam Structure (talk) 03:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Will respond on talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:44, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Alliewoodlee (talk)
Hello.

I need help with reviewing the article i've drafted in my sandbox on Tokay Tomah! Any suggestions would be much appreciated Alliewoodlee (talk) 18:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

--Alliewoodlee (talk) 18:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Opulentj (talk)
Hello.

I want to publish this but would like someone to approve the following:

--Opulentj (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have multiple notes, which I'll leave on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I also moved the draft to your sandbox. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Kikibard (talk)
Hello.

I need help with... Making an active Wikipedia page. My grade depends on wether or not Wikipedia post my entry so I want to do all I can to get an A but I don’t know how to move my writing out of the sandbox.

--Kikibard (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page. However I do want to note that your grade isn't dependent on what "sticks" - the instructor should only be grading you on your effort. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Abortion in Colombia.
Hi Shalor,

Thanks for reviewing what I had edited. I took into account the suggestions you made when editing my article and changing the words that you suggested that I should not use. Thanks for reviewing the article and giving me suggestions.

-Isabella Cradenas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isabellac99 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem! I would just make sure that you discuss the changes on the talk page if you make any further edits. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Shenali.P (talk)
Hello.

I need help with the template of my article. My lead section is appearing as a secondary section, and I'm not sure how to change this. Right now, my lead appears after the table of contents - and I want it to come before!

--Shenali.P (talk) 10:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like you figured this out! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Kikibard (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...

My resources. I’ve been through the trainings and still can’t get it. Any other feedback before i move my page would also help

--Kikibard (talk) 14:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:30, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Could you look over a student's work?
Hi Shalor, I posted to the student's sandbox (she's in China and can't access Wikipedia herself) - could you look over the edits and let me know if it's okay to publish them? I still need to do some copy edits and format the references. The student is Ella Zhao (Ella's sandbox) Thanks, Shalor! Ecs222 (talk) 17:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

One other to look at, if you have time: Hui Huang (Hui's Sandbox) Ecs222 (talk) 18:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:KRCPhilmon
You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:KRCPhilmon. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Shalor. Since this appears to be a student you're helping, perhaps you can take a look at the post I left on her user talk page. I've got no problem with being reverted, but it would've been a good idea for her to have left an edit summary explaining why, particularly since most of the changes I made seemed to be improvements per relevant policies and guidelines. I'm more than happy to go back and tweak or discuss any of the changes and perhaps some might not have been needed, but a blanket revert that reintroduces a number of syntax and other MOS errors without explanation wasn't a really good thing to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Just going to add that you might want to advise her about her user page being kinda close to WP:NOTWEBHOST territory before someone tags it for speedy deletion per WP:U5 or otherwise starts adding user warnings to her user talk page about it. It might also be a good idea to suggest she take a look at WP:REALWORLD and stuff like WP:DOB and WP:BLPNAMES just in case she doesn't realize that there can be unanticipated risks with posting too much personal info about one's self on Wikipedia. She can if she wants if she's aware of the possible risks, but she can't really try and use her userpage as free webhost and stray too far into WP:UP territory. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I'll warn her! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to do that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from WorldOfKo (talk)
Hello.

I need help with... understanding how to use the sandbox

--WorldOfKo (talk) 20:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:46, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Nlmbrown (talk)
Hello.

I need help with... This entry on Alberta Jones. I am the instructor for the class African American History 1865 to the Present at the University of Kentucky. Two students in my class wrote an article about a civil rights pioneer Alberta Jones. There work can be found at the link below. I am writing because I don't think that they followed proper Wikipedia standards of practice in order to move their work from the sandbox to live publication. My dashboard says that the students completed the training, but it seems that they weren't paying attention. For instance, they tried to upload their work using Google Docs, though I read that Google Docs or MS Word do not follow the Wikipedia format. How do I proceed? Should they redo the project, or should I edit it myself? Thanks, Nikki

https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUser%3AJalen_Holder%2Fsandbox%3Ftour%3DWikiEduHelp&data=02%7C01%7CNikki.Brown%40uky.edu%7C0d60686aa32c4ab0da7f08d7f3cf289c%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637245943369825266&sdata=XuzP0aUYw0debXFoc%2B21YuwMb6N%2BBZzVoRDnwybp1AI%3D&reserved=0

--Nlmbrown (talk) 18:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . It looks like you're talking about User:Jalen Holder/sandbox and this is related to this question posted below by Jalen Holder, the student working on the draft. Shalor will probably post some more detailed suggestions later on, but I did notice a few things related to formatting, etc. that you might suggest point out to the student working on the draft. If the student hasn't already done so, you might ask then to take a look at Help:Your first article for a brief overview on how to format articles, etc. Some things that standout to me are the formatting of the section headings: there's no need for any MOS:BOLDing of the section headings and they don't need colons. There is also no need for a separate heading for the "title" of the page since this will be taken care of when the draft is moved to the article mainspace. There should also be a separate section for "References" as explained in WP:REFB.The most important thing to consider, however, is whether this "draft" actually should be upgraded to article status regardless of how well written, etc. it is. There is an article titled Alberta Odell Jones that already exists and Wikipedia doesn't need two articles about the same person which are basically providing the same information. So, instead of creating a new article about Jones, it might be better to advise your students to try and figure out ways to improve the existing article about Jones. They can build on the work others have started and perhaps incorporate their improvements into the article in some way; they shouldn't just try to replace someone else's work with their own, but rather figure out a way to WP:PRESERVE what's already there and work from there in improving the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC); [Note: Posted edit by Marchjuly to clarify a bit: replaced "suggest" with "point out" in the second sentence. -- 11:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)]

Misguided student work
Hallo Shalor, A student on a course you're involved in has created The Life of Alberta Jones and uploaded it. We already have Alberta Odell Jones. This seems just the sort of misguided student project which I think I've mentioned to you before: a student believes, presumably is told by their tutors, that the way to improve the encyclopedia is to duplicate, or jettison, the work of several previous editors. I have proposed the new article for CSD A-10. Pam D  10:01, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I changed my mind from CSD to MergeTo. Pam  D  10:07, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Just noticed that this article is discussed above, where the course tutor and student  have posted.  Pam  D  10:18, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I created Talk:The Life of Alberta Jones but couldn't work out how to link it to the course page. How many other similar muddles have been created, I wonder? I only spotted this one because I had created a dab page at Alberta Jones to which the new article had been added, so it was on my watchlist - I've now decided that the page needs to be a redirect plus hatnote, so have done so. Pam  D  10:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, perhaps I should have spotted how recently it had moved out of a sandbox, and moved it straight back there. Pam  D  10:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * If this/these student(s) were supposed to be creating a Wikipedia article as part of a student course, I would suggest that they have not done very well:
 * The lead sentence doesn't tell us anything important about her, only her birth date and place.
 * No links to other articles in the encyclopedia
 * No attempt to copy the structure of headings used in a Wikipedia article (eg there's an "Introductiom" heading and there isn't a "References" heading
 * No attempt at formatting, such as bolding the name in the lead sentence
 * No mention of her full name, although it's in the first of the sources
 * Dates formatted wrongly
 * Informal/POV statements like "To this day Jones hasn't gotten the justice she deserved."
 * The references are almost well formatted, but none of them include the date of publication
 * And then the small matter of creating a duplicate article instead of collegially improving the existing article. This looks as if they have written an essay, rather than an encyclopedia article, thus perhaps misunderstanding the point of the project.   Pam  D  10:25, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Beyond that, the course page clearly states that the article in question is the (existing) article Alberta Jones, not "The Life of Alberta Jones". Imho, this is just a mistake on the part of a new editor. This should either be nominated for speedy and possible merge, or moved back to sandbox. Adding . Mathglot (talk) 11:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, just moved it back to user subpage User:Cheyennecrist/Alberta Jones. Mathglot (talk) 11:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for moving it back to the sandbox where it belonged, Mathglot. What a waste of the time of other editors: it's not obvious whether this was poor teaching or poor learning, but either way a serious encyclopedia is being used as a student lab and causing non-student editors to waste their time picking up the pieces. How many other students on this course are creating equivalent problems, I wonder? The fact that the coursework deadline seemed to have been 8th May and this article was created 10th May suggests something of a last-minute attempt to get something, anything, into the encyclopedia. Students should be encouraged to show some respect for the encyclopedia and for other editors. Pam  D  11:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I find this to be an ongoing WP:HERE issue, which is part of the nature of being a student. Students are (usually) newbies, but not all newbies are students, so their patterns are somewhat different. Feel free to monitor the Education Noticeboard, and/or raise general or specific concerns there. Mathglot (talk) 11:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

A quick update on the Alberta Jones article and the student work - While the students started this work quite late and haphazardly, they weren't showing disrespect to the process or the platform. They waited till the last minute and then freaked out. Part of this has to do with COVID-19 and the lockdown of the university. If this course was taught face-to-face format, many of these problems would have been addressed in the classroom and in the library. The other part has to do with working with students who are 22-years old. Ultimately, I feel that they simply didn't pay attention and didn't know how to ask for help until it was too late. They did get their act together eventually, and I think this deserves some recognition. Still, your comments have been taken into consideration, and I will pass them onto the students. Finally, last week at this time I realized that many students just weren't able to complete the project. So I prepared a back-up assignment (2000 word paper) and offered it to them on Tuesday. I suggest that Wiki-edu consider this as an option for instructors who are new to this process. Some students will freak out and give up, and it's good to have a backup plan, which also works as a safety valve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlmbrown (talk • contribs) 16:18, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I realise that you and your students are having problems caused by Covid-19, but I feel that they showed no respect for the encyclopedia or for other editors when they thought it appropriate to move an essay created with little regard for Wikipedia format into our encyclopedia alongside a perfectly good article. I suspect that if it had been technically possible for them they would have happily overwritten our existing article with their alternative (unlinked, poorly formatted, not bothering to follow conventions, etc) version.  Pam  D  10:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Jalen Holder (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...

Hello I need help with my Alberta Jones Sandbox article? How do I make it go live?

--Jalen Holder (talk) 18:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'll leave some notes on your talk page! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Need Help Changing a Wikipedia Title
Hi Shalor! I have another question I'd like to ask you, and this is rather time-sensitive as the project is due by Wednesday. I am adding onto the Wikipedia article "The Disability Rights Movement," and I would like to change the title to "Disability Rights Movement in the United States." My reasoning is because it doesn't accurately portray a world view and focuses almost entirely on America, so I would like to delete the minimal contributions to the UK and Canada and focus on America. I can't find the exercise that guides you on how to do this. Can you please let me know how to initiate this process? Thank you in advance! Celinewherritt (talk) 00:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . A couple of things. First, there are pretty much no deadlines when it comes to Wikipedia editing in the sense that there are very few things related to a Wikipedia article needed to be completed by a certain fixed date. The editing and improving of articles is constantly being done by editors from around the world with everyone working at their own pace according to their own schedules, which means sometimes things may not happen as quickly as we want as individual editors. WP:CONSENSUS often takes time to be reached, but whatever consensus is reached will hopefully be for the betterment of Wikipedia as whole. I understand you might have specific deadlines you need to meet for your class, but you have to try and remember that Wikipedia is not really only here for you and your class and that not everyone involved in editing the article may be as pressed for time as you. Perhaps you can explain this to your class instructor if they aren't very familiar with Wikipedia. The next thing has to do with what you're asking about. Changing the title of a Wikipedia article or any Wikipedia page is called a page move. Technically, it's not a very complicated thing to do and most WP:AUTOCONFIRMED accounts can do so (unless the page has been protected for some reason); contextually, however, moving a page to a new title can often have a ripple effect on other related articles or may be considered "contentious" by others. Even when done by experienced editors, moving a page without any type of discussion can often to unanticipated problems with other editors which is why it's often a good idea to be WP:CAUTIOUS as explained in WP:BEFOREMOVING and initiate a discussion about the move on the concerned articles talk page to see how others feel. Undiscussed page moves can simply be undone by anyone who disagrees; so, in order to avoid such a thing happening, it's often best to at least propose the page move on the article's talk page or make a request for the page to be moved at WP:RM instead. The same goes for trying change the focus of the article through a major addition of new content or removal of existing content. Instead of deleting content about the UK and Canada outright, it might be best to start a discussion about your concerns on the article's talk page to see what others think. You don't need prior approval to make edits and Wikipedia wants you to be WP:BOLD, but any changes you make can just as easily be undone by another editor who disagrees with them. It might be best to see whether there are ways to expand the content on countries other than the US in a way that makes the article better overall instead of trying to reduce it's scope to just the US. So, before making any major changes, you might want to seek input from the members of the various WikiProjects at the top of Talk:Disability rights movement. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:31, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , adding to what Marchjuly said, there's also the issue of proper venue for this discussion. Without opining (here) on the appropriateness of a page move, I just wanted to say that any such discussion should take place at the article talk page, i.e., at Talk:Disability rights movement. Please read WP:MOVE before requesting a page move there.
 * Secondly: in this edit at Disability rights movement you removed two sections of the article. I will raise a discussion at the Talk page about that, and will probably revert your change, pending the outcome of that discussion. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:20, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll respond on your talk page and copy this conversation there as well. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:45, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It actually looks like there's a note for you to come here, so I'll keep this here then. In any case, I agree with in that it's best to discuss any major changes on the article's talk page and to try to expand the coverage of other countries on the article, rather than remove this content and try to make it about the US only. What you're suggesting may sound small, but it's actually a very large change. Unless you have a draft that will cover this topic on a global scale, removing content about other countries and making this US only is actually reducing the amount of information Wikipedia has on the topic even if you're expanding the US centric material, if that makes sense. It's especially not good to remove the content unless there are existing articles on Wikipedia about this - even then, there should still be some country-specific content in the main article (typically in a "by country" section).
 * In this vein it would be better to create a draft that would be US specific, then move that live. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Student signed up for ArbCom-sanctioned article
Shalor, can you please monitor all article and sandbox contributions by who is signed up as an editor for Abortion in the United States as part of this course? That article is under protection of WP:ARBAB. Also, I'm curious about the timing: this editor signed up at the article Talk page today, one week before end of course, for a course that started in January, which I don't understand. Mathglot (talk) 08:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - I've left a note for them on their talk page, encouraging them to edit a different article. With the timing, this may be a situation where the student is trying to play catchup for not doing the assignment when it was initially given to them - it's not uncommon in general, but I feel like I've seen some of this happen with all of the covid-19 stuff going on (ie, student had to travel home, then trying to make up work at home). Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Shalor. Not sure if this related to the above, but this student just moved a big bunch of text related to abortion from their sandbox to their user page, perhaps in response to your comment about it on their user talk. This could be their way of practicing moving content for later on, but if it stays on their user page for too long, it might end up being moved back to the sandbox or worse flagged as as something that’s WP:UP and blanked or deleted. The same content is also seems to be at User:Rahmatullah.mehmood/Evaluate an Article which seems a better place for it. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I saw that they'd moved content. I've removed one portion but left another, since it seems like another user edited it to where it fits better, albeit still needs sourcing. I'll leave them another note. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Jahvon Blair
Dear, Shalor I'm trying to edit the hunger games page and it's not letting me make any edits can you please help me on how to fix this problem? Jahvon Blair (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll respond on your talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started
Hello, Shalor (Wiki Ed)

Thank you for creating Merritt Johnson.

User:North8000, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

To reply, leave a comment here and prepend it with. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~.

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

North8000 (talk) 01:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * User:North8000, Unless I missed something, Shalor had nothing to do with creating Merritt Johnson. The closest she came, was moving it *out* of mainspace, to a user subpage in this edit. Is this a bug in a scripted process, that you could address at page curation?  Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Ways to improve Geri Montano
Hello, Shalor (Wiki Ed),

Thank you for creating Geri Montano.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

"See note at talk page"

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, leave a comment here and prepend it with. And, don't forget to sign your reply with. For broader editing help, please visit the Teahouse.

Delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

North8000 (talk) 01:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


 * User:North8000, Shalor created Geri Montano as a 33-byte template identifying a User sandbox page, on behalf of a new student editor, to ready it for the student to begin working on it. The student was the one actually responsible for creating all the content on the page.  This sort of creation of a rump article to kickstart things for a student happens sometimes among Wiki Education content experts (like Shalor, and User:Ian (Wiki Ed), User:Elysia (Wiki Ed) and others) that are helping out students in a course associated with Wiki Ed.  In this case, the student eventually moved their sandbox to main space, and Shalor later moved it to a User subpage for further work. Given that Shalor wasn't really responsible for the creation of the article, other than nominally to help the student and new user, is there some way that the page curation process or script can recognize this and assign the Taggednote-NPF message to the Talk page of the editor actually responsible for developing it? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:01, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Right now Page Curation tools aren't even doing their current job properly much less add something that intelligent.   But this post is just a pointer to the where I put the actual content which is at the talk page of the article.  Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


 * It's still good to know though, since I have been meaning to go back and do some major editing of the articles from that class. There were definitely issues with tone and sourcing. Some of the pages had issues with notability as well. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the question of the proper target for page curation messages I raised above, please see the discussion at WT:NPP/R. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Next step in editing article for a class
Shalor: I hope this finds you well. I finished my sandbox draft of the article I was assigned for my class, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KHIS230/Ortai

Please forgive me, I'm a little confused about the review process. Do you review it? What do I do now?

Thank you: -KHIS230 — Preceding unsigned comment added by KHIS230 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Jwh1292 (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...

1) My title is grayed out, and I cannot switch it to "United States v. Sharpe" 2) I don't have the "more" button at the top of my sandbox page to move the article from the sandbox to Wikipedia

Thanks for your help

--Jwh1292 (talk) 02:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Need help request from Liuyimingfaker (talk)
Hello.

I need help with...aaa

--Liuyimingfaker (talk) 19:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi! What can I help you with? Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Gay Magazine
Hi Shalor!

Thanks for the feedback! I chose this subject because it was listed in red on Women in Red page for June 2020 Pride focus area. But your idea to put it directly in Roxane Gay's page is probably spot on so I will explore...

I wondered about my "over-citing" and boiling down to just the AP citation -- thanks for addressing and fixing (someone fixed it!)

I wondered too about the Google search citation--thanks for advising

Gotcha as regards quotes.

Thanks tons, De Pisan (talk) 18:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm glad it was helpful! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)