User talk:ShaneGero

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A page you started (List of marine mammal species) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating List of marine mammal species, ShaneGero!

Wikipedia editor Animalparty just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

"Looks like there are more IUCN Status icons to add. It might also be a good idea to harmonize (or at least explain) the rank of Cetartiodactyla, treated as a superorder or higher clade in other articles, and as an order here."

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Cetartiodactyla
Hey I reverted a couple changes you made to the taxobox templates. As far as I can tell, you are trying to get "Cetartiodactyla" to show up as the order and Cetacea as unranked everywhere. Is that right? I'm not going to try to stop you from doing this, but this wasn't quite the right way to do it. e.g., if we're going to do it we should probably get rid of Template:Taxonomy/Cetacea/Mammalia instead of doing what you were doing. Do you want to do this? Do you believe there is consensus to make a mass change to all whale taxoboxes? Can we float the idea at talk:Cetacea or someplace before doing it? If we decide to, let's discuss exactly how (or just let me do it) before doing it, ok? Thanks, ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 01:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, That is what I was trying to do. But I have no experience with editing the taxonomy templates. The Order for all cetaceans should be Cetartiodactyla Not Cetacea (which should be unranked based on current understanding); and Odontoceti and Mysticeti, which were previously suborder should be unranked as well. The old system should always be visible as unranked, since this is a major change in taxonomy compared to current public knowledge. I had managed to make Cetacea and the two suborders unranked in the template, but it would not allow me to make an new entry for the Order which should be Cetartiodactyla.


 * Based on molecular and morphological research, the cetaceans genetically and morphologically fall firmly within the Artiodactyla (even-toed ungulates). The term Cetartiodactyla reflects the idea that whales evolved within the ungulates. The term was coined by merging the name for the two orders, Cetacea and Artiodactyla, into a single word. Under this definition, the closest living land relative of the whales and dolphins is thought to be the hippopotamuses. Use of Order Cetartiodactyla, instead of Cetacea with Suborders Odontoceti and Mysticeti, is favored by most evolutionary mammalogists working with molecular data    and is supported the IUCN Cetacean Specialist Group and by Taxonomy Committee of the Society for Marine Mammalogy, the largest international association of marine mammal scientists in the world.


 * If it helps, I am a cetacean biologist and sit on the board of the Society for Marine Mammalogy. Our taxonomy committee publishes the definitive list of marine mammal species and subspecies and recently updated the taxonomy to use Cetartiodactyla which has gained a majority agreement. I am happy to have this discussed and I have posted for help to edit the template both in talk:WikiProject Cetaceans ‎and talk:WikiProject Mammals but had not reply.
 * I am happy for you to make the changes and thank you in advance for any help or advice in guiding me through this needed process.‎
 * ShaneGero (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm aware, generally, of the shape of the cladogram, as it were.  See Template_talk:Automatic_taxobox/Archive_8 for an amusing historical digression.  One problem is that I think there might be some resistance to putting Cetartiodactyla in Common dolphin's taxobox, etc.  And in Moose's taxobox.  Just as Bald eagle doesn't have Saurischia or Dinosauria in its taxobox.  Also, I'd like your thoughts on this: currently template:Taxonomy/Artiodactyla's parent is Cetartiodactyla.  Should we get rid of template:Taxonomy/Artiodactyla altogether, and use Cetartiodactyla as the "order" on all deer/cow/etc taxoboxes?  As you can see this is kind of a big change. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 18:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * And a huge thanks for working on these articles! It is great to have your input, effort, and expertise here. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 18:13, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, I've tried to consolidate discussion at WT:MAMMALS; usually it's best to have a discussion like this in one place but possibly advertising to it from other places. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 19:17, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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