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Malinaccier (talk) 02:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Luke Morgan (defendant in landmark drunken driving case)
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Luke Morgan (defendant in landmark drunken driving case)
Hey there. I think I'm gonna try and help you out with this article here, because while I think it may be viable, it does have a lot of problems. First off, are you sure this person is notable? Please make sure you read the notability guidelines first, however in general, defendants in landmark cases aren't notable in and of themselves. However, the case itself is possibly notable, since it's not the person charged with the case that's significant, it's the case and the ruling. An article on the case, including the ruling and the actual ramifications of it (not the possible ones), could work, but I doubt this one will. In fact, a question: Was this a trail, or was this an appeal to a higher court? It looks like he pled guilty here, that's unusual for an appeals case. If it is a trial case, it sets no precedent whatsoever. It still could be notable, though, if it got a lot of attention. Anyways, the link you provide is a good start for sourcing, and is a good indication that the case is notable, however a couple more would really help. They don't have to be online sources, if you have other local newspapers or magazines that covered the case (particularly a city or national paper), use them as sources too. I can help you get them cited properly. If you can dig up enough sources to prove the notability (one more good one should be fine), I can re-write things so they look better for you. However, you really should consider whether or not this case is notable enough to be included in an encyclopedia before you continue...and I'm 99% certain the person is not. If you need some more help, just ask. --UsaSatsui (talk) 18:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, this case doesn't really describe anything that unusual or earth-shattering. It is, and always has been, part of the element of proof for car theft to prove that you're planning on taking it and not giving it back. --UsaSatsui (talk) 18:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Notability
I have reservations concerning the notability of Luke Morgan, since he appears to be an individual involved in a fairly standard court case. The only issue is that there was supposedly a precedent set, which doesn't relate to Mr. Morgan. Also, the reference mentions nothing about any ramifications in Irish law - it just describes an entirely unremarkable arrest. Therefore, unless some substantial references are provided, I will propose the article for deletion debate in a few days, giving you some time to find something in widely-circulated media to reference the legal notability of the case and Mr. Morgan's notability.  Acroterion  (talk)  18:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * UsaSatsui has good advice, and I'd be happy to help as well.   Acroterion  (talk)  18:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Luke Morgan (defendant in landmark drunken driving case)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Luke Morgan (defendant in landmark drunken driving case), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. UsaSatsui (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)