User talk:Shania45

To Do
- edit the outline as you see fit, provide resources or articles that are hard to come by -if you have an idea for a new section, edit it -'''I changed my mind regarding the word docs. You can work on your respective sections on word, but copy and paste any changes you made on the sandbox. [NOTE: Do not work on the sandbox directly, work on word first since youre working online, if something goes wrong and cant recover your file, theres nothing we can do]'''

APPROVED TOPIC:


 * Hydro One

(Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 00:28, 21 March 2012 (UTC))

Overview
Not necessary but this is the overview I had in mind:

1.) Make a group


 * ->Monitor - Someone will be responsible for doing the hard copy (screenshots, word doc, etc.)[Dont edit the topic's page yet]
 * ->Spokesperson - would be Shania then, b/c we're using her page

2.) Decide on a topic

3.) Decide on a rough outline


 * -> (each of us should have at least 2 sections or 1 if the content is too broad)


 * -> for now we should at least pitch in 500 words each

4.) Save the original copy on a word doc or screenshot and do the substantial editing on word


 * ->you can also do your articles on your sandbox beforehand but if youre not too familiar with it, use word.
 * ->The last page should be separate which includes any references used, [use APA just in case]


 * Stop here for now.Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Topic
-->Hydro One

General
Hydro One Telecom Inc is a CRTC-registered, non-dominant, facilities-based carrier. We provide broadband telecommunications services in Ontario with connections to Montreal, Buffalo, and Detroit.

Established in 1999 as a wholly owned subsidiary of Hydro One Inc, Hydro One Telecom leverages our parent company's fibre assets. Hydro One operates the largest electricity transmission and distribution systems in Ontario and directly serves more than 1.2 million customers. We use the same fibre-optic network and Network Operations Centre that monitor the electricity transmission network.

Building on the expertise and reliability of Hydro One, Hydro One Telecom delivers broadband telecommunications solutions for Carriers, ISP's, commercial customers and the Public Sector. http://www.hydroonetelecom.com/about_us/index.html

http://www.talentoyster.com/servlets/en/Employer/Profile/HydroOne Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 19:01, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

System Information
not enough info here, though I dont really understand what more we can add, any ideas? Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 19:03, 23 March 2012 (UTC) I thought of using this website as the main source for this section ://www.hydroone.com/Generators/Pages/Default.aspx what do you guys think? Laura.duenas (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

History
you can use this timeline i found http://www.hydroone.com/OurCompany/Pages/timeline.aspx to further expand on the history, if there are facts that should be in the Reconstruction section, separate from History section, dont include it (edit) the link is already on the references section so idk if you could just add some more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niccolo.jacinto (talk • contribs) 23:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC) (I'm just posting some of my edits here)--Shania45 (talk) 22:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC) Based on the company's historical timeline, Hydro One was created in 1906 and was originally named Hydro-Electric Power Commission. The company's initial responsibility was to build transmission lines, in order to supply municipal utilities with power. The power that was being transferred by Hydro One was already being generated at Niagara Falls by previously established private companies.--Shania45 (talk) 22:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Reconstructing
(info 1)[adding] Hydro One is the largest electricity delivery company in Ontario. It is a private company, though 100% of its shares are held by the Government of Ontario. Hydro One Inc. is a holding company that has four subsidiaries:


 * Hydro One Networks Inc. - operates and maintains much of Ontario's electricity transmission and distribution assets;


 * Hydro One Brampton Networks Inc. - distributes electricity within the city of Brampton;


 * Hydro One Remotes Communities Inc. - operates and maintains generation and distribution assets used to supply electricity to 21 remote communities across northern Ontario, which are not connected to the grid;

Specialties Electricity transmission and distribution
 * Hydro One Telecom, Inc. - markets Hydro One's excess fibre-optic capacity to business customers.

http://www.hydroonetelecom.com/about_us/index.html Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 19:02, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

http://www.answers.com/topic/hydro-one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niccolo.jacinto (talk • contribs) 19:25, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Capacity
http://www.hydroone.com/Generators/Pages/AvailableCapacity.aspx there are pdf files here and a video down below, Im still looking for other possible sections so let me get back to you guys on this

Transmission

 * Although Im adding new sections here, most of the ideas I come up with are already in their site, so im not entirely sure if we should just copy and paste information.Other sources are usually articles about specific events that i dont think we can use. Or rather, changing it from a neutral point of view is challenging.

--> general sectional info

http://www.jobpostings.ca/company/hydro-one

Discussion

 * I have a question -- TA's say our 'talks' would be marked, how does that exactly work, do we use our talk page, their talk page or something? Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 00:50, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

And I think the way they will mark our talk page, is by just seeing whether we have used it appropriately for discussing our topic.
 * Hey, my names Nishani not Shania, that's just my user name.

Are we still meeting up today?

If you guys want, but since we could probably do it here, it doesn't seem necessary, im still okay if you guys want, im still at home btw, if i leave in a bout 15 mins ill get there at about 3:00 today and dont forget to sign every post, b/c i think they'll be looking into that Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 17:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL, sorry about that,maybe its b/c Shania was easier to remember


 * ok then i guess we dont have to meet up, by the way do you have fb it would be faster to talk there ill message Laura and let her know we aren't meeting anymore, hope she sees it in time Shania45 (talk · contribs) Nishani Naidoo


 * phew, luckily i signed in one last time before getting on the bus. Alright, we can use fb or msn for live chat i guess? Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 18:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * for your last question, you can read the post below , you also have to be signed in. Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 18:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edits --> Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button or  located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 18:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC) I was planning on having a topic a long time ago too, has Laura said anything yet?Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 20:00, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you guys set on a topic yet, if not we'll proceed with hydro one
 * on second thought, id like to know what info we can gather first Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 20:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, yeah I'm good with doing hydro one. I just hope we'll be able to gather info. Just let me know what we need to do. Laura.duenas (talk) 00:12, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hydro ones okay but the only good info im getting is from their website, though there probably is plenty out there and I havent looked thoroughly enough. Can you share some sectional information about hydro one? (e.g.) History, Geographical Location, Awards, Goals/Objectives, Employees and Staff. Also, can you just copy and paste from any site or patch up sites altogether, I visited a site that copied and pasted a whole paragraph from a website and they just cited it and wiki hasnt taken it down. Dont ask me for the link because I already lost it, i think its about raoul wallenberg or something Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 01:41, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

-okay I'll start working on the sectional info, Im just so relieved that we finally have a topic lol. And yeah the information does seem kind of scarce, but then again it is the provinces LARGEST electricity distribution company so between the three of us im sure we will be able to come up with enough research. And I have kind of a silly question, do all our sources have to be online ones?--Shania45 (talk) 03:25, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

-for the question: I think the screenshots/word doc would be handed in with the hard copy, so you dont have to put it on the sandbox Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 18:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

-Hey guys I was hoping you could help me find more info about systems information, I just keep going back to the main hydro one website and Im having a little trouble finding other sources.--Shania45 (talk) 04:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I can look for more sources for you. Laura.duenas (talk) 19:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC) Also, I'm going to put up the banner in the Hydro One page if that's ok. Laura.duenas (talk) 20:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

-ok, thanks --Shania45 (talk) 23:22, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

-hey did you find anything?--Shania45 (talk) 00:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm having a little trouble citing the information, can you guys help me out on how to cite properly? Laura.duenas (talk) 01:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

- Just use APA--Shania45 (talk) 01:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

-So I want to start editing the actually article can you guys post your edits/information--Shania45 (talk) 01:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

-post in the sandbox--Shania45 (talk) 01:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC) and bold them so its easier to spot--Shania45 (talk) 01:46, 29 March 2012 (UTC) I posted info on the system information section. I added citation at the end, I don't know if that's right though. I'm working on adding more info in that section. Laura.duenas (talk) 01:48, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, I want to add information about Hydro One's relation to the First Nation but I don't know where to add the info or if I should add it. Any suggestions? Laura.duenas (talk) 02:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

- well if its a substantial amount of info, at least 2 paragraphs, then we sould definitely add it. Just add it as another topic under content and place it in the article--Shania45 (talk) 02:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

-The first nation info was a great addition--Shania45 (talk) 02:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

-sorry, sorry, i was busy yesterday, i still have corrections to put in, did you guys actually hand it in already? Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 11:40, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

- I just read through the article, my pending edits weren't made and I've yet to contribute my major edit -- I guess im responsible for that since i wanted to avoid re-using things you guys used. Plus, there are few plagiarism issues in place im gonna make the changes in the sandbox now since im free today Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 12:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

- P.S. there are a lot of great sources out there but is (in my opinion) beyond undergrad comprehension to efficiently re-edit, moreover, with the time we have we can't get through all of them. That aside, all the basic and general information that is likely to be what an anonymous browser looks for are already in their shortest form, meaning that you can copy and paste the paragraphs and cite them but if you remove words or write them in another format, it would provide confusion or a loss of information. Yet I'm not sure if i can just actually leave them as is, some wiki articles do that but they aren't exactly being marked by someone. Cheers to Bouchecl's annual report suggestion, probably the best 'uncommon' source we have but nonetheless still within hydro one's website. I'm fresh out of ideas where to look for general information Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

-Hey unfortunately i had submitted the assignment at around 4 this morning, so the recent edits you made in the sandbox were not include, but i did let Hannah know that these edits are available in the sandbox if she wanted to read them.--Shania45 (talk) 17:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

- Ah, alright then, im still worried about citations and plagiarism though, im not gonna bother making the changes anymore okay? Im gonna leave the sandbox as it is. Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 18:20, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

- I know I said I'll stop working on the sandbox 10 hours ago but yea I still can't get it off my mind, I've been trying to avoid scavenging information from their website b/c wikipedia says "Please do not copy and paste from copyrighted websites – only public domain resources can be copied without permission." and I have no idea what copyrighted sites are. Besides, most of our relevant information came from the parent website already. The only things I can change from their material are synonym terms and their promotional tone. Aside from that, as I mentioned earlier, expect confusion or loss of general descriptive information. If I want to cut down one whole paragraph into at least 3 grammatically correct sentences without copying and pasting, I need at least 3 sources of new and relevant information to work with.Niccolo.jacinto (talk) 23:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

-And aside from that, what does the rulebook entail about modifying direct quotes from sites, Ive read the wikipedia citing instructions but I couldnt find anything regarding modifications. I'll re-read it but just a quick flip since time is of the essence.

-Hey why are you doing all of this now, the assignment was submitted already, i dont know if any of these changes are going to be considered. And about plagiarism and copy right, I never copy pasted anything and plus we all cited everything we wrote so its not like we're taking complete credit for the information.--Shania45 (talk) 00:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Hydro One
Hi Nishani,

Since Hydro One is on my watchlist, I've noticed your U of T class was working on updating the page as part of a classroom assignment. So I was curious and I checked your sandbox and read the work your team has done so far. There are some issues with the lead section, where it is stated that the scope of the companyis limited to remote communities in Northern Ontario, which is not correct.

As stated on their web site, Hydro One is a holding company with four subsidiaries, the largest being Hydro One Networks. They operate 97% of the high voltage transmission grid throughout Ontario and they also serve 1.3 million customers in rural areas across the province in their capacity as Ontario's largest distribution utility. Service to First Nations communities (through their subsidiary Hydro One Remotes) is only a small part of this $5.1 B business. If you need some help focusing on important issues, check similar articles for inspiration, such as Manitoba Hydro, NB Power or Hydro-Québec (one of mine). And don't hesitate to ask for help on my talk page on on the article's talk page. Good luck with your assignment. Bouchecl (talk) 03:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC) -


 * Thank you so much for noticing, that section was not done by me so I wasn't fully aware of the inaccuracies. I will do my best to correct it.--Shania45 (talk) 04:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I read the discussions you had with your teammates and the problems you had locating sources for the article. I encountered the same problem when I wrote a stub for the company in the French Wikipedia. From my own experience working on Hydro-Québec, I would suggest a few potential sources:
 * Peer-reviewed articles (in JSTOR, Wiley, Elsevier, etc...) on the Ontario electricity system, for an historical perspective on the collapse of Ontario Hydro and the creation of separate entities: the IMO (called ISEO these days), OPG, Hydro One and OEFC, ca. 1999-2000. A visit to the campus library might also be in order for dead-tree books;
 * Check the newspaper articles databases (the Toronto Star seems to have good coverage of the electricity business in Ontario);
 * Annual reports. Watch out for the tone, they're promotional, but for hard and up-to-the-minute numbers they're hard to beat;
 * Last (if you have time, it's time consuming), read the company's filings at the Ontario Energy Board.
 * Hope it helps. Cheers. Bouchecl (talk) 05:25, 29 March 2012 (UTC)