User talk:Shannonfraser

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talk page for WSU
Hi Shannonfraser, welcome to Facebook. We have way too many conversations going on the WSU talk page. It's better to have a centralized one. Is it OK if I "close out" a few? Since you started them all, I'm checking with you if you think it would be OK. Thanks. —Мандичка YO 😜 18:49, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Of course, I don't mind at all. there are just two pages "2015 White Student Union Emergence" and "White student Unions", I don't mind which title is kept, I just think the issue is important.Shannonfraser (talk) 18:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Here is my defense of why this issue should be represented: "I think this issue is being swept under the rug. There was a massive debate whether this was just a hoax or if students actually feel so bad about the political climate that they are creating white student unions. This is a matter fo public interest because it exists and represents an aspect of word and national debate. These pages exist! You can't pretend they don't and people are giving statements saying that they do, they just want to remain anonymous because they feel afraid to speak out. Just because the anonymous movement was anonymous doesn't mean it wasn't worthy of public interest and we can't just say this issue doesn't exist just because these unions aren't sanctioned by universities, they EXIST!Shannonfraser (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2015 (UTC)"

What now, when is the tribunal?Shannonfraser (talk) 19:03, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The subject has been covered in reliable sources (see the list I put on the talk page), so that is where we start. On Wikipedia our job is to summarize what the reliable sources state. I think this subject has met the notability guideline Wikipedia requires. I don't think this will be brought to the Arbitration Committee, if that's what you mean by tribunal. We'll try to work it out on the talk page. :-) —Мандичка YO 😜 19:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I mean by tribunal that I feel like im going to get kicked off wikipedia if i make a change to the first article 'white student unions', but ill go ahead and do it and then please anyone how has an issue with it just tell me and dont put a strike against moe or anything, im just confused about how conflicts are resolved and if someone who has more experience can just kick me out if they don't agree. Did you see the other page, the citations look good to me, do they look good to you? I can help integrate the others that you posted as wellShannonfraser (talk) 19:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC) Every time i tried to enter some new information that guy revered everything.Shannonfraser (talk) 19:18, 15 December 2015 (UTC) I likely had some sources which were problematic but by deleting everything i don't know if i'll get dinged for including things which were cited right but were deleted. The second time he deleted my things i thought i did a much better job.

every time i try to change the definition they put it back...they want to say that wsu's claim to represent the interests of white people when thats not accurate, no one union is the sameShannonfraser (talk) 19:31, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

thanks so much the new WSU page looks really good so far :) xoxoShannonfraser (talk) 19:33, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

please see my comment in the history section of the talk section of the white student unions article, your history section assumes all white student unions stem from the one you cite when most don't identify with it at allShannonfraser (talk) 23:58, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's a work in progress! I've been adding sources as I find them. I felt like I really needed to add the history stuff back from the 1960s-1990s because people were hinting that this page is going to be deleted for lack of notability (ie it's just a current event that will be soon forgotten). We need to show there is a long history of reliable sources discussing this subject. Certainly that the 2015 movement has nothing to do with white supremacy is important. Don't worry, you're not in any danger of being kicked off Wikipedia :D —Мандичка YO 😜 00:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * OK I added info about the guy who founded a WSU in 2014 and how he hates Hitler, the KKK, etc. I think that helps with the flow of things. We should definitely get more quotes about why they're being created now and how it's not because of white supremacy garbage.  —Мандичка YO 😜 01:08, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry i likely sound upset, its just bc of that other guy, you are a big help and I really really appreciate it. Please take my honest appology my angst about this is not directed at you. I'l look for more quotes :) Shannonfraser (talk) 13:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I added some quotes from good sources, hope you like :)Shannonfraser (talk) 19:23, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

White Studen Unions page vandalism

hacked againShannonfraser (talk) 20:45, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

@Мандичка::White Student Unions page hacked again but by different user, deleted list of universities with white student unions and large portion of text listing why new WSU's exist and environment in which they arose with quotes from leaders which were in mainstream media reporting. Have asked for dialogue but Aquillion just keeps deleting text just like snowded did. What do you do in a case like this?Shannonfraser (talk) 05:05, 1 January 2016 (UTC) Is it possible to kick people off a page or prevent editing when they start deleting the whole article and pasting a whole new article on top of it without dialogue? This guy has all his content in there and all mine is gone, it's making the unions out to all be hoaxes when what the media was saying with the word hoax is simply that they weren't university condoned. That's not fair. Because I put text back i got dinged for edit warring but I don't see how that's fair when someone deletes so much, when they delete well-cited information, when they just claim its too detailed etc. to prevent you from expressing something they don't like. Am I at the whimof this guy who can just delete and never let anything into the article even if it's legit Shannonfraser (talk) 07:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC).Shannonfraser (talk) 18:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

WSU Other
Here's an interesting article on how invalidation leads to violence. My thought is if white students are feeling invalidated whether it's right or not is could mean that listening to them may circumvent greater issues later I know i read something in one of the articles on this theme but cant remember wich.Shannonfraser (talk) 14:08, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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Could you please tell me what previous accounts you edited under. TFD (talk) 02:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Who said she edited under previous accounts? Based on her edits, she seems to be a newbie. —Мандичка YO 😜 04:19, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of White Student Unions for deletion
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Am I allowed to edit and add, I'm afraid i'll be kicked off wikipedia if i add anything snowded doesn't like. He said once it's removed I have to obtain consent to add something again and he keeps reducing everything to a stump so I'd be addingit back unilaterally and no one answers me on the talk page. Can I just addd things in and see if people like or dont like it...other than snowded who hates everythingShannonfraser (talk) 17:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

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January 2016
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Sorry about that, didn't mean to do anything shady, I thought I logged back in and signed my comments afterShannonfraser (talk) 17:57, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Moderator and neutrality board?
What do you mesm? We have neither. And please don't revert again, discuss specific edits at the talk page. Doug Weller talk 07:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Please see administration comments on the talk pageShannonfraser (talk) 17:59, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016
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@Doug Weller:: If I made changes while logged out it was not my intention to deceive but I don't remember doing soShannonfraser (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)Ahh, it was likely my friend who hals me with my English, we talked about having text deleted and replaced and she was wondering if she deleted his if he had the right to revert it too...she would have a different IP than me though wouldn't she? If you can hide the IP guess that would be good, I'm getting the impression that people are hostile about this subject, it's the first time in along time I've felt discriminated against and silenced just because someone doesn't like something.Shannonfraser (talk) 19:39, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

@Мандичка:: @Doug Weller::Thankyou for recognizing that this is what it is! I appreciate it, we need to have someone look at the mass deletions, this is getting out of handShannonfraser (talk) 17:58, 1 January 2016 (UTC) Also, question, can someone just delete lots of stuff even if its properly cited because they call it too detailed and then prevent you from putting it back in and call edit war on you if you do? I'm confused about how this works and why thats ok? Can you help me understand because that's what Aquillion is doing. It seems like they just don't like the topic. There was earlier a debate whether to have two pages, one about verifiable white student unions and another about the white student union pages appearing on facebook in 2015 and people merged the two articles and said for the purposes of the article to regard all unions whether alleged or not as real and to quote the people who started them on their mandates. should i reopen the other one talking about the FB pages? now the article is being hacked apart because this user, again, wants to dispute if wsu's are real just because their universities didn't approve of them. They do exist.What are your thoughts?Shannonfraser (talk) 18:22, 1 January 2016 (UTC). So if I can't put anything back in and he has removed unreasonably large amounts of text then how do I put anything back in? Are my hands ties and at his whim?Shannonfraser (talk) 18:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)