User talk:Sharif Abdul

Sorry about that
That was actually my mistake. I thought that was what you were doing, and in reverting you had hoped to change that, but instead reverted to the incorrect version. &mdash; scetoaux (T/C)  19:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Sharif Abdul (talk) 19:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Opinion required
Asalamualikum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Battle_of_Yarmouk The strength of armies at battle of yarmuk is disputed. Early sources mentioned the size to be around 200,000-240,000 which are certainly highly exaggrated. Modern estimates are as follows:
 * History of palestine, by Gil and Broido (1997): 100,000.
 * Donner (1981): 100,000.
 * David Chandler: 100,000
 * Kennedy (2006, p. 145): 80,000.
 * Mango, Cyril (2002). The Oxford History of Byzantium. 80,000
 * David nicolle, Yarmouk 636. 50,000
 * Kindersley, 80,000
 * Andre Corvisier 80,000
 * Yarmouk university, department of history, jordan. says; 125,000
 * Agha Ibrahim Akram: 150,000
 * M. Athar Zaidi (Expansion of Islam, Centre for Historical Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University Dehli): 100,000-120,000
 * Ibn Rais ( Rise of Caliphate from BOĞAZİÇİ UNIVERSITY, department of history, Turkey.): 100,000

Looking at the lower ends, most of the sources places numbers to be around 80,000-100,000. Now what the dispute is, it is that User:Wiki1609 insist that the army size should be placed to be 20,000-25,000 claiming that Kegri and Haldon mentioned this size in there book for byzantine army at yarmuk. Though i have showed upon him that this size was for the muslim armies not for the byzaitne army and they just simply avoided stating any size for byzantine arm,y clearly and thus mentioned that "byzantine outnumbered arabs".... he still insist that leaving all historians behind these two must be preffered over all ! Now third party is invited and it wants a opinion of other users, you are invited to express your views. It must be noted that 5 byzantine expedition armies were sent by heraculis to rollback syria with there won different objects, the retreat of muslim armies with out fight, from all over syria to yarmuk, forced those 5 armies to gather near yarmuk and thus battle of yarmuk was fought. The size of usuall byzantine expedition force use to be 15,000-30,000 in that era. Regards. Mohammad Adil (talk) 09:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Mohammad, however I am no expert in this particular battle and can't offer an opinion. I will look into it. Sharif Abdul (talk) 22:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)