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Subtleties on unsubtle subjects
I thought of bringing up the problem at Talk:Sea of Japan naming dispute of changing text regarding the IHO stance in the changes you made today. But this *is* an unsubtle subject and I don't want to cause loud problems when quiet discussion can identify what is going on. Below are some comments I started to write out for that talk page. But then I saw that IHO was supposed to meet in 2017, and indeed there is a "needs update" tag right there. So I started to check out the notes from 2012 and 2017. Oh dear.

It seems the text in the article was not neutral, regarding the 2012 meeting. It seems the 2017 meeting had no progress at all.

Are you in a position to add more light to all this, regarding what IHO actually said / means / intends ? It would be good to have references for a more neutral text on IHO decisions. That's why I was noting the documents below. It's seem very strange to be talking about IHO without having any cites to the primary documents. I'm thinking of asking "if secondary documents (news) are demonstrably biased, shouldn't we have cites for the primary documents for balance?" Shenme (talk) 23:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Start at comments for Talk:Sea of Japan naming dispute
User, who restricts themselves to topics related to the International Hydrographic Organization, has made changes today in
 * Sea of Japan
 * Japan–Korea disputes
 * Sea of Japan naming dispute

These changes reflect, or imply, a subtle shift in stance or position on what actually was done or said back on 2012. While this may be a legitimate refinement in the language from the organization, it also 'looks' like rewriting history.

An example:
 * "... in 2012 decided not to change the current single name "Sea of Japan" rejecting South Korea's request to use "East Sea" together with "Sea of Japan"."

changed to
 * "... in 2012 decided it was still unable to revise the 1953 version of its publication S-23 - Limits of Oceans ans Seas, which includes only the single name "Sea of Japan", to include "East Sea" together with "Sea of Japan"."

Note the change from the active 'rejecting' to the passive "unable to revise".

Of course (sigh), as I look at the cited references (news accounts) it does look like 'rejecting' may have itself have been non-neutral. It sure would be nice to have reference to the actual language of the proceedings in 2012.

I see also that the 2017 meeting did take place, but the "needs update" tag has not been responded to.

Notes from IHO meeting documents
Notes taken over 2.5 hours time; not formatted because my stomach can't take more right now...

Found meeting notes for 2012 IHO meeting:

[https://www.iho.int/iho_pubs/periodical/P-6/P6_CONF2012_VOLUME1ENG.pdf INTERNATIONAL HYDROGRAPHIC ORGANIZATION - XVIIIth INTERNATIONAL HYDROGRAPHIC CONFERENCE - 23 – 27 April 2012 M O N A C O - REPORT of PROCEEDINGS - VOLUME 1]

pp. 158-159 Japan introduces a proposal, to establish a small working group. A vote on whether to accept the proposal ensued.

In favour: 1 Against: 4 Abstain: 62

The PRESIDENT suggested that the S-23 issue should be taken up at the next session. It was so agreed.

pp. 166-167 The PRESIDENT said that as no proposals on the agenda item were now before the Conference, and there had not been any positive outcome from the work of the Working Group on S-23, the Conference could not take any decision on the matter, apart from noting the report on work to revise IHO Publication S-23.

...later... The PRESIDENT said he would take it that the Conference did not wish to take any further decision on S-23 at present. It was so agreed.

A summary of 2017 IHO meeting:

2017 ? http://iainav.org/News/nws0965-iain-report-first-iho-assembly.pdf Proceedings of the 1st Assembly of the International Hydrographic Organisation held at the Auditorium Rainier III, Monaco, 24-28 April 2017

PROPOSALS SUBMITTED FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE ASSEMBLY p. 2

2. PRO 1 & 13: Update of Special Publication S-23 – The Way Forward for the Publication of a 4TH Edition and discuss the future of the Outdated Publication taking into account the Report of Work of April 2012 Publication S-23 edition 3 was published in 1953. Despite the Report on Work to revise the publication (2012), no revisions have been made due to the lack of agreement of a naming convention for sea areas in SE Asia. Japan, Republic of Korea and Russia acknowledged that it needs urgent attention and that without action the publication will become irrelevant and that, if not resolved, consideration be given to the withdrawal of S-23. OUTCOME: Agreement was reached that ‘informal’ discussions will now take place to resolve the state of impasse and that IHO Secretary General will convene a meeting of MS affected and for that group to report back to 2nd Assembly in April 2020.

Found meeting notes for 2017 IHO meeting:

https://www.iho.int/iho_pubs/periodical/P-6/P6A1_2017VOLUME1_ENG.pdf INTERNATIONAL HYDROGRAPHIC ORGANIZATION - 1st SESSION OF THE IHO ASSEMBLY - 24 – 28 April 2017 M O N A C O - REPORT of PROCEEDINGS VOLUME 1

p. 58 PROPOSALS SUBMITTED FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE 1st SESSION OF THE IHO ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL No.    OBJECT OF THE PROPOSAL                               SUBMITTED BY       WORK PROGRAMME 1               Discuss a way forward for the publication of a 4th   Democratic              1 Edition of IHO Publication S-23 and include it in   People’s Republic the next “3-Year Work Programme”                    of Korea

13              Discuss the future of the outdated IHO Special       Republic of Korea       1 Publication S-23, taking into account the Report on Work to revise IHO Publication S-23 (April                2012)

PRO-1 - DISCUSS A WAY FORWARD FOR THE PUBLICATION OF A 4th EDITION OF IHO PUBLICATION S-23 AND INCLUDE IT IN THE NEXT “3-YEAR WORK PROGRAMME” p. 60-61 positions stated; COMMENT OF THE IHO SECRETARIAT - "See also PRO-13."

PRO-13 - DISCUSS THE FUTURE OF THE OUTDATED IHO SPECIAL PUBLICATION S-23, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE REPORT ON WORK TO REVISE IHO PUBLICATION S-23 (APRIL 2012) p. 113-114 positions stated; COMMENT OF THE IHO SECRETARIAT - "See also PRO-1."

DECISIONS OF THE 1st SESSION OF THE IHO ASSEMBLY

p.119 PRO-1/PRO-13: The Assembly tasked the Secretary-General to facilitate an informal consultation process regarding the future of S-23 among interested Member States, including determining mutually agreed modalities of work and to report the result of the consultations to the Assembly at the next ordinary session (A-2).

1st SESSION OF THE IHO ASSEMBLY SUMMARY RECORD OF THE FIRST PLENARY SESSION 24 April 2017

p. 135-136 ? Informal discussions should ensue and everything is delayed until next assembly? ? p. 139

Shenme (talk) 23:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

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