User talk:ShattArab

July 2013
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Irānshahr (talk) 02:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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Your recent editing history at Gulf Arabic shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Irānshahr (talk) 02:26, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Just because you have been editing for a long time does not give you the right to continually revert constructive edits that contain various reliable references. You never gave an actual reason for the reverts, you just kept on reverting over and over again without specifying a flaw. Next time, use the talk page yourself instead of repeatedly reverting referenced additions to the page. The implausible claim that Gulf Arabic is spoken in Iran is not even referenced yet no one has ever challenged that claim and you were so quick to revert referenced additions about Iraq, an Arab country that is actually located in the Persian Gulf region.---ShattArab 02:41, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Where an editor reverted you with a reason, and somebody else restores that revert without further reason, it usually indicates they agree with the reasoning given for the initial revert. Also, simply providing one of more references for something isn't a green light for the edit. The information may be WP:UNDUE, WP:FRINGE, and the references may be WP:OVERCITED. Beyond that, established editors often simply blanket-revert the edits of new, apparently single-purpose accounts, where a number of the edits appear problematic in some way.


 * Gulf Arabic is spoken in Iran, along the Persian Gulf littoral. As for Iraq, only in Basrah Province, where less than 10 percent of Iraq's population live, is Gulf Arabic spoken. The country has its own Mesopotamian dialects and it is not part of the Arab Gulf milieu. To present it as so is misleading and undue. I'm not sure what you think you are going to achieve here, besides wasting your time and that of others. Irānshahr (talk) 03:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * An editor never reverted my referenced additions with a reason, only the unreferenced edit was given a reason. Basra is Iraq's second largest and most populous city and the Basra Province has 3.5 - 4 million residents. Gulf Arabic is only spoken in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia where only 4 million people live (which is less than 12 percent of Saudi Arabia's population). In Iran, Gulf Arabic is spoken by a very tiny minority - less than 1% of Iran population. If you're going to use that pretext, then Saudi Arabia and Iran shouldn't be presented as part of the Arab Gulf milieu too because that would be 'misleading' and undue. --ShattArab 04:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

"Vandalism"
Legitimate content edits are not considered "vandalism", especially when two different editors are reverting your edits for cause. Do no use the "vandalism" word in your edit summaries unless it is actually vandalism. --Taivo (talk) 04:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The repetitive removal of referenced content without giving a specified cause does constitute as vandalism. --ShattArab 04:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. Content disputes do not constitute vandalism unless the removal becomes malicious.  There was a legitimate content dispute as to whether 40,000 speakers (out of several millions of speakers) of Gulf Arabic in Iraq warranted including Iraq in a list of countries where it was spoken.  That is not, and never has been, considered "vandalism" in Wikipedia.  You appear to be new here.  The first rule of editing is assume good faith.  That means that you do not throw the word "vandalism" around just because someone disagrees with you as strongly as you think you are right.  They may, indeed, be right and you wrong.  --Taivo (talk) 10:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)