User talk:Shaunnixon

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Barnoldswick
Hi there. I think what you have added is useful explanation. And your edit summary is also very clear in showing your intentions. However, I don't think the fact that it's a "very sensitive issue locally" is justification enough for saying in the lede that the town is just "in Northern England". It's now in Lancashire. That's just a simple fact and in my view the lede should say that. Perhaps a discussion thread on the Talk page would be useful? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback and useful links from your WikiProject page - I was working on a further edit based on the guidelines at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_UK_geography/How_to_write_about_settlements and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_UK_geography/How_to_write_about_counties, with a lead that follows the guidelines and a revised historical explanation moved into the main article ...but you have already overwritten the first while I was carefully researching the guidance for the second, so I will abandon and leave it to the experts. Shaunnixon (talk) 23:39, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I've not overwritten anything. That was User:PaleCloudedWhite, who obviously feels stronger about it than I do. I'd support some further explanation in the main article, but PaleCloudedWhite seems to think it's already covered. You are very wise to look at the guidelines. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:44, 30 January 2015 (UTC) p.s. I don't consider myself an "expert" on anything at Wikipedia!


 * Hello Shaunnixon. I'm afraid Wikipedia can seem a rather confrontational environment at times, and it's unfortunate that this experience has made you wish to withdraw, however if I explain my reasons for removing parts of your edit, hopefully you will understand my action. There are several points. First, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the main article, so any expansion of information about administrative boundaries should first occur in the 'Governance' section, not in the lead, otherwise the lead becomes unbalanced. Second, the issue of which county Barnoldswick is in - in particular the main points that it used to be in the West Riding but is now in Lancashire - is already covered in the Governance section. I agree with Martinevans123 that there is scope for expanding the information here, but bear in mind that Wikipedia uses links, which means that not everything (e.g. the Local Government Act 1972) has to be explained on one page. Third, you didn't provide any sources for your information, and although not all information on Wikipedia has or requires sources, they are important for anything considered contentious. For example, without sources the information about the positioning of roadsigns could be interpreted as supporting a particular point of view (which contravenes WP:NPOV), whereas if it had a source then it would just be a statement about the contentious aspect of the situation. Finally, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and therefore is concerned with presenting facts, which should not be adjusted or softened in order not to offend certain readers. Administratively, Barnoldswick is in Lancashire. Yes, it is also in Northern England, but the fact that it is in Lancashire should not be removed just because some people don't like it. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:37, 31 January 2015 (UTC)