User talk:SheepGoatBio

Thinhorn sheep
Please review an earlier talkpage discussion concerning this term for the species before making any other changes. It appears to me that you're ignoring WP:COMMONNAME and the apparent use of Dall sheep as the nominate term. Additionally, you're editing the lede, which is merely a summary of the sourced content of the article body, without providing supporting references to substantiate that the term "thinhorn sheep" should be used more broadly. It may be that the Latin taxonomic name may be most appropriate.  Acroterion   (talk)   13:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I have created any confusion. I have struggled trying to get other authors/editors to understand the published research and the internationally accepted naming conventions.  "Dall's sheep" is the correct reference, as the subspecies was names after the explorer (last name Dall), hence it is a possessive reference and name.  "Dall" is not correct, but it is one that is long standing in some circles.  A similar comment applies to "Stone's sheep", again named after an explorer with surname 'Stone', so the correct animal name is again possessive and should be "Stone's".
 * In terms of "thinhorn" sheep, this is a species name (its counterpart also North America being the bighorn species). Again, both Dall's and Stone's are subspecies of the thinhorn sheep species. It seems there are editors who fail to understand this order of taxonomy and lineage, but it would be nice to entrench the text with the correct information rather than to keep suggesting that 'Dall sheep are the same as thinhorn sheep', because that is not specifically correct. SheepGoatBio (talk) 13:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Please provide references to academic publications rather than general comments about the logic (or illogic) of common naming conventions. Editing the lede should be the final edit, not the beginning. Also,please review Wikipedia's taxonomic naming conventions at WP:FAUNA.  Acroterion   (talk)   15:00, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * With respect, I offer you some reading as suggestions for you to become more familiar with the relationship between the thinhorn sheep species, and its two subspecies, the Dall's and Stone's sheep. Some of these I have coauthored, some I have contributed to as an editor and some are from students of mine:
 * https://a100.gov.bc.ca/pub/eirs/finishDownloadDocument.do;jsessionid=A8958BA05107092B1413F2C0AA0A9E47?subdocumentId=3173
 * https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/plants-animals-ecosystems/wildlife/wildlife-conservation/wild-sheep-and-mountain-goat
 * https://unbc.arcabc.ca/islandora/search/sheep?type=dismax
 * https://era.library.ualberta.ca/items/f351dacf-357c-40f8-a448-c4638c080777/view/44d44081-d292-498d-aee7-37f11e5fb42c/Sim_Zijian_201901_PhD.pdf
 * https://era.library.ualberta.ca/items/00c75d7b-a902-444c-ba2e-fe24332039b7/download/4c2ec83b-8836-4666-bc4f-7d342ae9cd7c
 * https://wafwa.org/wpdm-package/thinhorn-sheep-conservation-challenges-management-strategies-for-the-21st-century/
 * The bibliography listed here may be particularly interesting for you: https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/39250/22149895
 * My concern and attempted edits have simply been in effort to try to correct some incorrect taxonomic and biological information about these two subspecies. Others appear quite passionate about the content and whether its more descriptive or lesser so, I care not anymore; but incorrect information should be corrected.  I'll leave that to you to fix after you read some of the academic papers I have provided citations for above, in response to your request. SheepGoatBio (talk) 22:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)