User talk:SheilaCameronArtist

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http://www.theguardian.com/film/2005/jun/14/news1 Fortuna  Imperatrix Mundi  19:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Creating a Sheila Cameron (artist) article
Hello, SheilaCameronArtist. I would like to put all the sources for a potential Sheila Cameron (artist) here so that they're in one place for my reference; your question at the Teahouse will shortly be archived, so simply referring to that page is not ideal. Note that the title of the page would have to be "Sheila Cameron (artist)" (or "Sheila Cameron (visual artist)") because there is already a Sheila Cameron article, about someone with the same name who's a lawyer.

Note that for all print sources that are not also online, I would need you to either transcribe the article, or scan and upload it, so that I can see what information is there. I would also need you to tranbscribe the NPR interview if it's going to be used (and the program title, interviewer name, and date of original broadcast are also needed) because I am somewhat hard of hearing and have extreme difficulty parsing speech when I can't read lips to compensate.

I have marked sources for which more information is needed with an → arrow.

• NPR interview → program title, interviewer name, and date of original broadcast are needed, as is a transcript

• UK TV interview → program title, interviewer name, station (e.g. BBC2 or SkyTV), and date of original broadcast are needed, as is a video link or transcript

• German interview → program title, interviewer name, station, and date of original broadcast are needed; translation and/or transcription may also be needed

• Morton, Andrew Tom Cruise: An Unauthorized Biography. St. Martin's Press, 2008. ISBN 978-0312359867 →We would need page number(s), and you would need to transcribe or scan in what the book says about you.

• Bentley, Brett. "To hell and back: The tale of an artist", The Union, 13 June 2013 [online]

• Cover of 2012 Style Magazine, Northern California magazine with artist bio inside. I'm unclear on the title of the magazine, is it Style Magazine? → We would need an article title, even if the 'title' is just your name. Page number and date (however specific the date gets, e.g. Summer 2012, May 2012, 5 May 2012 or just 2012) would also be needed.

• Semuels, Alana. "Sharing schadenfreude, from Katie Holmes to The Star Wars Kid", The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 5 August 2005 [online]

• Kellar, Tom. "Artist, blogger and mom finds voice, opportunity to share it in Nevada County", The Union, 25 March 2012 [online] [transcribed article is online] This is up at The Union's website after all!

• Stevens, Anise "Art in LA: Recommendations for May 2015". LifeinLA.com, 30 April 2015. [about group exhibit Women] [online]

• Scully, James. "Sheila Cameron: Watching The Paint Dry" The Wallbreakers, 16 July 2012 [online]

• Wolf, Buck "'Free Winona' to 'Talentless,' Celebs Let T-Shirts Do the Talking", ABC News Go, 23 August 2005 [online]

Source found by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi above: • "Website hopes to 'free Katie'", The Guardian, 14 June 2005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrammarFascist (talk • contribs) 15:24, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Sources I found online: • Derrick, Lisa. "Homeboy Industries: 'Every Angeleno Counts' 5k Race and Art Show", The Huffington Post, 17 October 2014

• Lane, Tahree. "Paris proposal latest plot twist to Holmes-Cruise romance", The Toledo Blade, 18 June 2005, p.A1,A6

Regarding "Free Katie", there are enough sources for it to be mentioned in an article about you; it doesn't need its own separate article, but if someone searched for "Free Katie" on Wikipedia, they could be redirected to the article about you.

Regarding your work on Project Greenlight, I'm afraid we would need a reliable source saying that you are known both as Sheila Cameron and as Sheila McLaughlin in order to list your co-producer credit in the article about you.

I believe that coverage of you in The Union (newspaper) of Grass Valley, California is sufficient to establish your notability, so additional information I can source to interviews about you can be used in the article.

Also, if you could give me a list of shows you have exhibited in, I can check for sources substantiating each one. A list of shows is often included on artist articles. For each show, give as much information as possible about: →Show name, gallery name and location (city, state), title of work(s) by you in the show, date show opened.

When replying to this message, please begin with GrammarFascist (you can just copy & paste; this makes Wikipedia alert me to your answer) and put a colon : at the beginning of every paragraph so that your response is indented. You can use the Show preview button (right next to the Save page button) as many times as you need to ensure your comment is formatted correctly. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 15:19, 24 September 2015 (UTC) GrammarFascist
 * I will work on this and get it to you. Thank you for your help and, most of all, patience. I think I've got it!
 * I went ahead and started the article with what we had, since I felt that two of the articles taken together were sufficient to establish notability. It's at Sheila Cameron (artist) if you want to take a look.
 * I would like to include a table listing shows and other exhibitions of your work. Each one would have to be sourced, of course, but I think there are enough sources on the website of The Union. If you can give me a list of shows you've exhibited in, with show name, location (e.g. Art Works Gallery) and date (month and year) for each one, I can search for news reports about each one so it can be added into the table. I don't have any more time for this article today, but I will come back to it periodically.
 * (PS Don't forget to include GrammarFascist in your replies! It might have been days before I saw your response if I had finished the article before you posted it.) — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 19:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, you should consider donating a photo of yourself, your art, or both, to be used in the article. Understand, however, that in order for an image to be used, its copyright owner must agree that anyone can use the image for any purpose — you wouldn't just be granting special permission for Wikipedia only to use the image or images. A photo of you would be copyrighted to the person who took the photo, which might be a friend or family member; that person would have to be the one to upload the photo. A self-portrait, or a photo of one of your art pieces, you could upload yourself. I hope this is clear; I know the Wikipedia image use policy can be confusing at first. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 20:13, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * GrammarFascist. This looks great. Two clarifications. My husband and I live in Nevada City, not Grass Valley. Although he works in Grass Valley. He is also the drummer from SWA that is referenced in the article from The Union "Behind the scenes: Talented couple gives Back September" 5, 2013. I believe SWA has a page. Also I did not show at the Leeanne Brook Gallery. There may be confusion as her gallery moved into the space where DANK had the first pop up gallery. An important show I did in LA that has many links but not sure of the best one was "Two Johns and a Whore" at Coagula Curatorial in Los Angeles. You can get information on it from "Two Johns and a Whore: Well Hung and Packed at Coagula", Cartwheel January 25, 2014. I will get scans and transcripts together this week and post as I go. Thank you again for all the work you do.SheilaCameronArtist (talk) 02:57, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, SheilaCameronArtist. About the clarifications, unfortunately the source I cited for the move did not mention Nevada City — though I see now that it was only implied that you moved to Grass Valley — and I don't believe any of the other sources I've looked at said that you live in Nevada City either. What I can do while we try to find a source with your correct city of residence is change it to read "the Grass Valley area" as I believe Grass Valley and Nevada City are not too distant from one another.
 * And I see what happened with the LeeAnne Brook Gallery, the source actually just listed an address and I used Google to get the gallery name. So was that one of the "pop-up gallery" shows? (That's such an interesting concept, and one that might be useful in the city where I live which has many empty storefronts in our historic downtown.)
 * Because the author of the "Two Johns and a Whore: Well Hung and Packed at Coagula" article also curated that show, it would be better if the article used a different source in addition to that one. This one should do, though if you have a better one, such as a newspaper review of the show, that would be better. I'll make the corrections to the page tonight, then I need sleep.
 * By the way, a friend of mine (not a Wikipedia editor) who read the new article immediately asked me if you would be providing any artwork images for Wikipedia! Not to put pressure on you, but artist articles are improved by having an image or two to represent the artist's work. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 04:44, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * GrammarFascist I am pulling out my files and old press clippings today. I have a ton of gossip/celebrity magazines from the UK and the US that mention me. Are those worth noting? I also have mentions in LA Times and NY Times that are clear but brief. Trying to sort out the most helpful. Can I upload images of them for your review or is that bad form? I am also happy to contribute images of which I own the rights. Also if you search "Sheila Cameron on ABC News Now 6/7/05 Promoting Free Katie.Net" on youtube you can see an interview. SheilaCameronArtist (talk) 16:33, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Great timing — I just finished making a few additions to the article, both content and sources. What would be useful in old clippings you have is if any of them mention information about you not already in the article. I would particularly like to document more of your gallery showings, if possible, as the only ones currently listed are from 2014 and 2015. In terms of scanning and uploading old articles, I would upload them only to your own site, and not link to them from elsewhere on the website; then you should take them down after I have put the information from them into the article. This is to avoid copyright infringement. It's especially important you don't upload such scans to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons.
 * To begin uploading images, click on the "Upload file" link in the left-hand sidebar of any Wikipedia page. It will take you to the File Upload Wizard, which will walk you through the process. I recommend two pieces you feel are most representative of your work, possibly including one from your "Going to Hell" series. And a photo of you would also be welcome, so long as you took it yourself, or the person who did uploads it themselves.
 * You may notice a message at the top of the article saying that it has been nominated for deletion. I wouldn't worry about it, though; the person who made the nomination seems to be a deletionist (someone who thinks that as many articles as possible should be deleted) and doesn't really have a case. I doubt they will be able to get consensus to delete the article, since even the nominator conceded that the article meets Wikipedia's notability standard — just not their own personal standard, which is not what decisions are supposed to be based on here. You are more than welcome to go to the discussion page for the nomination and state your case for not deleting the article. Just make sure you identify yourself as the person the article is about, and begin your comment with . I would also recommend sticking to discussion of what thw Wikipedia notability standard actually is, rather than promoting your accomplishments, which could hurt the article's case. — GrammarFascist   contribs talk 17:38, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * GrammarFascist I have a few more articles that discuss other digital projects and noteworthy-ness. It looks like Free Katie is covered but I will get you the books it was mentioned in as well as LA Times and Newsweek. My Fine Art shows, before Art Works Gallery, are not well-documented or even noteworthy. I tend to focus on breaking down barriers on fine art and digital engagement. I love doing shows but my true love is the internet. Paintings often sell right off Facebook, but again, that is more social media buzz and blogs than independently documented. As I'm sure you are aware, celebrity satire gets more coverage than fine art in traditional media. I would say my painting life didn't really take hold until I moved to Nevada City.
 * "The Real" at Center of the Arts was also co-created by Heather Donahue a well-known writer and actress of Blair Witch fame. Don't know if that is helpful. Search "An art and blogging celebration" Posted on June 2, 2011 in Sierra Foothill report for my first solo show of note in the area. Again, not great coverage so not sure if it is helpful. Are awards at ArtSlant.com meaningful? I was a juried winner there which in an honor in some circles but not sure it is worth mentioning.
 * Thank you for clarifying the deletion discussion. I find it all fascinating, even the debate, so I'll watch it unfold. Wikipedia is not my forte best not to insert myself I think.
 * Also search "Yes but is it ART Sheila Cameron" and there are links to NPR interviews with me and the Terry Gross/Iggy Pop mention as well as pages from Spanish Vogue.

SheilaCameronArtist (talk) 18:33, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * GrammarFascistAndrew Morton book doesn't mention me by name but has images of the Free Katie merch so I'm not sure that is helpful after all. I have uploaded some articles that may be of use to a sub-blog that is rarely used. Images uploaded sidewise by the blog formatter so very sorry but probably best to down load and read anyway. Let me know when I can delete them. They are at http://watchingthepaintdry.typepad.com/laylas_macaroni_blog/2015/09/my-entry.html. Also found the Toledo blade piece that adds I was born in the Cleveland area and mentions a following that might support notability. http://www.toledoblade.com/Culture/2005/06/17/Tongue-in-cheek-Internet-campaign-explodes-into-celebrity-gossip-phenomenon.html Also here is a Pittsburgh Post piece that has me going to High School in Upper St. Clair http://www.post-gazette.com/news/portfolio/2005/08/05/Sharing-schadenfreude-from-Katie-Holmes-to-The-Star-Wars-Kid/stories/200508050241 SheilaCameronArtist (talk) 20:21, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello Ms. Cameron. You can take down those scans now, I have saved them locally (and will delete them as soon as I have taken the information I need out of them). I think I will include a sentence in the article indicating how widely Free Katie was covered, and in that respect the Morton book's mention could be useful, but I would need the page number(s) of the mention to cite it.

Thanks for the other links, I appreciate you finding them. The Pittsburgh Post article doesn't actually say you attended high school in Upper St. Clair, just that you moved there, and in any case I'm not sure it's necessary to mention your life prior to college graduation in the Wikipedia article. I see that one of the new sources does state that you live in Nevada City, so I will get that corrected as well. Thanks again for the correction.

In order to cite the UK TV coverage of Free Katie, I would need more details about the program, especially the original airdate. Do you know if "Tom & Katie: A Showbiz Marriage" is the actual title of the program?

Just a reminder that my poor hearing means I would need a transcript of the NPR interview with you in order to use it. However, if the interview was at least in part about Free Katie, mention of it can go in the sentence about how widespread coverage of Free Katie was; I would still need the program title (e.g. "All Things Considered", "This American Life") and original airdate, though.

Regarding images of your artwork you might make available for use on Wikipedia, I would particularly suggest Sit since it appeared on the cover of Style magazine. Thanks in advance for whatever photos of your art you choose to upload. As a reminder, to start the upload process, just click the "Upload file" link (under Tools) in the left-hand sidebar of any Wikipedia page, and follow the on-screen instructions. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 16:58, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oops... looks like I forgot to actually download one of the scans. It's the one that mentions you live in Nevada City (by process of elimination) so it's one of the ones from later than 2005. I believe it was the first image in the post if that helps. Sorry for the inconvenience. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 20:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I found a copy of the Toledo Blade article you shared online, which is good because now other editors can verify the information cited to it. I've added most of the other scanned sources, plus some I found, but I'm not comfortable adding the Prospector newspaper article as a source yet as I can't seem to find any independent confirmation that it exists. It doesn't appear to have its own website or be mentioned in anyone else's. Is it maybe a titled mini-magazine like some local newspapers include in their weekend editions? — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 05:49, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * After looking at some images of your art that's already online, I think another good piece to include on the page would be "The Evolution of the Feather", as it both shows up nicely at thumbnail size, and would balance "Sit", the other piece I suggested. Alternately one of the Saltz challenge pieces, since that was a significant event in your career as an artist?
 * Oh, and I found another source for your living in Nevada City, so no need to put the scan back up. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 08:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * GrammarFascist I am very intimidated by posting anything or uploading images. I have a great deal of respect for what everyone does here and don't want to mess up or even give the appearance of impropriety. I would like to learn and be helpful but am sensitive to the implication that I am doing something wrong or dishonest. SheilaCameronArtist (talk) 00:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

"The appearance of impropriety"
I can certainly understand you being "sensitive to the implication that I am doing something wrong or dishonest" with regard to the creation of the Wikipedia article about you. As someone with years of history at Wikipedia, including many other articles I've contributed to that could come under increased scrutiny, I haven't been enjoying that one editor's accusations either! But you should be reassured by the fact that the other editors who have reviewed the article and participated in the deletion discussion (see here) have overwhelmingly voted to keep the article — the vote currently atands at 8 to 1, with only the original nominator wanting to delete it — and only that editor who nominated the article for deletion in the first place has suggested that either you or I did anything wrong. (Per Wikipedia policies and guidelines, we haven't.) In fact, even the editor who talked about feeling "twitchy" about your having consulted in the article's creation has voted to keep it, and another editor pointed out that it is common for articles to be created in part because the subject of the article came to the Teahouse asking for help as you did.

Unfortunately, about the only way images of your artwork (or you yourself; though I don't know if you would even want your photo in the article) can be included in the article is if the person who owns the copyright to the photo or scan uploads the image themselves. I can't upload a scan or photo you made to Wikimedia Commons (where the majority of images displayed on Wikipedia are stored) on your behalf even with your permission, without us having to go through a complicated process involving you sending paperwork to Commons's oversight committee. So I hope you'll reconsider uploading some images. That's not considered editing the article (though just as a reminder, you're only discouraged from doing that, not forbidden) and you wouldn't get in any trouble even if someone questioned whether the uploader had the right to upload the image. I really do feel that the article will be incomplete without at least one image of your work, so I hope you will reconsider. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 20:42, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * GrammarFascist Thank you for your considered response. I was feeling very nervous. Because I'm a complete newbie, I feared I would mess up and my good intentions would be misinterpreted. I will certainly upload some images and feel encouraged based on your clarification. Again, thank you for your patience while I learn.SheilaCameronArtist (talk) 21:28, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Wonderful! As a reminder, to begin uploading images, click on the "Upload file" link in the left-hand sidebar of any Wikipedia page. This will take you to the File Upload Wizard, which will walk you through the process.


 * I continue to recommend "Sit", since it was featured on a magazine cover; "The Evolution of the Feather", as it both shows up nicely at thumbnail size, and would balance "Sit" well; and a piece of your choice from the "Going to Hell" Jerry Saltz challenge series, perhaps one more colorful than the other two I suggested. I feel those pieces would represent the range and significance of your art nicely. You might also consider a photo of someone wearing "Free Katie" merchandise. Feel free to ask for help if you run into any difficulties in the upload process. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 22:17, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * GrammarFascist I have uploaded images of my work and myself based on your advice and suggestions. I don't believe I have an image of someone wearing a Free Katie shirt that I completely own the rights to. I will upload if I find one. I believe I did it correctly but am open to feedback on how to do it more effectively. I did not categorize them as I was uncertain how to do it correctly. Thank you again for your help while I learn. SheilaCameronArtist (talk) 17:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

About images for Sheila Cameron (artist)
Hello, Ms. Cameron. I have been discussing the status of the images you uploaded with a colleague of mine here at Wikipedia, W.carter, who is (unlike me) well-versed in image use rules both on Wikipedia and at Wikimedia Commons. Please visit the following link, User talk:W.carter, to view our conversation. You are welcome to participate in that conversation as well if you have anything to add. Thank you again for your willingness to share photos of your artwork (and yourself) for use on Wikipedia. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 14:37, 1 October 2015 (UTC)