User talk:Shellac41

Welcome!
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Happy editing! JarrahTree 13:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright
Hello Shellac41! While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.


 * You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
 * Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Close paraphrasing. Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
 * We have strict guidelines on the usage of copyrighted images. Fair use images must meet all ten of the non-free content criteria in order to be used in articles, or they will be deleted. To be used on Wikipedia, all other images must be made available under a free and open copyright license that allows commercial and derivative reuse.
 * If you own the copyright to the source you want to copy or are a legally designated agent, you may be able to license that text so that we can publish it here. Understand, though, that unlike many other sites, where a person can license their content for use there and retain non-free ownership, that is not possible at Wikipedia. Rather, the release of content must be irrevocable, to the world, into either the public domain (PD) or under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. Such a release must be done in a verifiable manner, so that the authority of the person purporting to release the copyright is evidenced. See Donating copyrighted materials.
 * Also note that Wikipedia articles may not be copied or translated without attribution. If you want to copy or translate from another Wikipedia project or article, you must follow the copyright attribution steps described at Copying within Wikipedia. See also Help:Translation.

It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Nick-D (talk) 09:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * In particular, do not upload images to Wikimedia Commons under a false claim that you have the legal right to release them under a Creative Commons licence, and do not add such images to Wikipedia articles. Nick-D (talk) 09:01, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

August 2021
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without evidence of permission. Please take this opportunity to ensure that you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Nick-D (talk) 11:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

UTRS 46604

 * has been closed. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 12:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see notification on user's talk page on Commons. Instructed user to send permissions to OTRS. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 12:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for this followup appeal and apologies that the previous one expired without action. Image permissions now seem okay on first glance, but Nick-D is more of an expert on this area and is also the blocking admin. Nick-D, views welcome on the appeal. -- Euryalus (talk) 19:57, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like this editor now has a good understanding of Wikipedia's policies towards copyright and has successfully navigated the process to have some images released by the RAAF (which is a non-trivial achievement!), so I am strongly supportive of an unblock. Shellac41, please feel free to ask me for any advice on editing, and WikiProject Aviation and WikiProject Military history are supportive communities. Nick-D (talk) 21:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

over-signing
Please do not start conversations at the top of pages - please do not 'over-sign',

once will do... please look at other pages similar to what you are hoping to do - and

take special care with how referencing works. Please do not ask me for help, I am not a military history mainspace editor, Thanks. JarrahTree 13:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your points Jarrah Tree.
 * I realise my error with oversigning so hopefully it wont happen again.
 * I have tried to follow Wiki's format examples for my references and have looked at quite a few examples on other pages so I hope I have got mine right.
 * I am sorry but I do not understand your advice about not starting conversations at the top of pages. Can you elaborate or point me to an example of what you mean?
 * I am also very worried that if I publish my revised text with my listed and numbered additional references onto the "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" page that doing so will somehow erase completely or 'alter' the existing references and their number order. I am not asking for your help because I intend asking "Teahouse" how I can prevent either possibility happening.
 * Thanks again. Shellac41 (talk) 10:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * For any talk page (article or person), in the top menu there is a choice "New section." This creates a new section at the bottom of all the existing sections. Editors expect to see new content there. As for inserting text with references, if the references are properly formatted, the software automatically renumbers all refs in the content following the addition. Last, if you add content in modest sized chunks, if any chunk is reverted (reversed) by an editor, start a discussion about that disputed content on the Talk page, seeking consensus. Repeatedly inserting content is called 'edit warring,' and can result in you being blocked temporarily. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you David.
 * 1.If I understand correctly I should place (ie copy) my suggested revision onto the "New Section" of the 25 SQN "Talk" Page and that will attract editors' attention to it.
 * 2.Wiki's "No.25 Squadron - RAAF" article page is not very long - less than a page. My changes comprise additional info and rewording of existing info and more supporting references.
 * This will probably increase the length of article to close to or over a full page.
 * Could I put my revision (shown on the Talk page) onto the "New Section" in one go, or do it by progressive halves or thirds?
 * Thanks again, Shellac41 (talk) 23:54, 9 January 2023 (UTC)