User talk:Shevashalosh/Archive 2

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Hi. i wrote the article The Return to Zion and User:Shuki has tagged it with "merge" to "gathering of Israel". I turned to shuki many times - and left him messages so we can discuss this matter, including sending him an e-mail, reminding him to respond to my posted message at his talk page - but have got no answer.

So I'd like to turn to some administrator, in order to discuss this matter and solve the issue.

firat, as i wrote on my posted message to shuki - i had translated this article from Hebrew - (also- in consistence with the article Pre-Zionist Aliyah wich also seem to match it's Hebrew article).

"The gathering of israel" - was put in the Hebrew wikipedia as a different subject to "the return to Zion" - since it "gathering" is the promise of exile and return - and "the return to Zion" is a different term by itself - which is only one of the fulfillment of this promise of return (there were other exiles and return - who are subject to different articles). "The Return to Zion" also has other related topics of Aliyah and modern Zionism etc - not specifically concerning the promise of exile and return.

In addition, after shuki's tagging - I had linked "the gathering of Israel" to the Hebrew article - and had asked him to see for himself that they put it on a different article then "the return to Zion", again couldn't get his answer.

Second, the article is not an original research, had it been so, i wouldn't have translated it from hebew - look at the Hebrew link i put to "the return to Zion" - Hebrew wikipedia has not tagged it this "original research". I also referred on my references to :


 * Book of Ezra
 * Book of Nehemiah

wich the article is based upon - I just can't think, in case of article on the bible, of a more "reliable source" then the bible itself ? ...

third, the article "pre-zionist Aliyah" is also translated from the Hebrew article (or at list in consistence with the Hebrew article) - but "pre-Zionist aliyah" has no references at all and it was not tagged - in contra to my article - wich both is in with consistence with the "Hebrew- the return to Zion", the "English + Hebrew - pre Zionist aliyah" as well as has the references of which the article is based up on and those are:


 * Book of Ezra
 * Book of Nehemiah

i'd like to ask the administrator to remove those tags. Thank you! And have a nice day!

--Shevashalosh (talk) 11:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Anyone can remove those tags, BUT protocol should be followed, since the OR tag did not have a description on the talk page and it is not obvious for me what it OR I removed it. as for the merge tag it is not appropriate to remove it, what you should do is state your point in the talk page as per the link in the articles merge tag and get WP:CONSENSUS with other users. Then it can be decided if the article should be merged or not, just because a merge tag is on the page does not mean that it will be merged, it is just the first step after which a discussion is held and then it is decide what to do. --Stefan talk 12:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you Stefan! I'm new here and i'll try to read the WP:CONSENSUS, and follow it. If I'll have some questions I'll get back to you.


 * Have a great day !


 * --Shevashalosh (talk) 12:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism
Hi Shevashalosh: Hope you are having a nice time on Wikipedia. One way to avoid problems in Judaism related articles that may be disputed or somewhat controversial, or if you bump into some problems with other editors, is to join WikiProject Judaism and to seek help and input from a number of very knowledgeable and reliable and experienced editors over there, some of whom are also admins, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. You can also feel free to contact me at my talk page. Thank you. IZAK (talk) 07:39, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you IZAK, I've added my name to the list of WikiProject Judaism, according to what it said there. If I have any questions I will turn to your talk page.


 * have a nice day,
 * --Shevashalosh (talk) 10:06, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Gathering of Israel
Nice work :) Could still use more reliable secondary sources, but certainly way better than the previous article. Keep at it! -- Nudve (talk) 02:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Nudve! :)

--Shevashalosh (talk) 06:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: "Aliyah to Israel and settlement" table
Hi. First of all, kudos once again on your initiatives. As for the issue you've presented, it generally sounds like a good idea to me. However, I have not yet read all those articles carefully. I will do it later when I have time. Either way, I'm not really familiar with those articles and am not an expert on the subject. I would suggest posting a message similar to the one sent me on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish history and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel and see what other members think. It will also be a good chance to introduce yourself to those projects :) Good luck! -- Nudve (talk) 04:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Lehi (group)
Please do not remove referenced material or footnotes from wikipedia articles. If you believe the article to be POV, please raise specific complaints on the talk page, preferably with references to back up your arguments. Thank you. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 00:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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Can you help on the article of Lehi (group)?

Since I'm pretty new here, you are probably more familiar with the protocols the are needed

The neutrality of the article is in dispute, I've placed a tag of it, but they removed it.

Here are some examples:

First:"Although the name of the group became "Lehi" only after the death of its founder, Avraham Stern, this article follows the common practice of referring to it by that name throughout its history."

(The whole sentence is not true, they called themselves Lehi, some brits were name calling them so (not Lehi themselves). I only heard of what the Brits name called them once before. 3 lines, dedicated to explaining why the article will use this in stead of a Lehi..!?

second, the whole portion of contacting the Nazis is of perplex to me:

They contacted the Nazis since they thought they could play against the Brits, they figured the Nazis didn't want Jews in Europe (some what unreasonable idea to me, yet they have done so) - and not for the sake of a "Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis" (never heard of this).

Third, "German plans such as the Madagascar Plan eventually failed and ultimately led the Nazis to initiate the Holocaust, the "Final Solution to the Jewish Question" in 1942,"

Not true. They wanted to murder Jews anyway.

What? Is this the reason for murdering 6 million Jews?

There is no reason to murder innocent 6 million Jews, not to speak of evacuating them from Europe nor if the plan is failed.

And of course, the whole article is full of name calling "terror" instead of "Lehi group" etc, as well as the category added (to it.

There is much more to it, those are just examples.

--Shevashalosh (talk) 08:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You have followed the correct procedure in taking the exact same discussion points to the talk page of the article in question. --Stephen 10:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * ok. thank you.


 * --Shevashalosh (talk) 11:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Your question
Hi. You will have to explain in the talk page, and then make a good case, and eventually remove the category. I agree that it's not appropriate, but it's a tough issue and a category in general also. Amoruso (talk) 15:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. ThanX.


 * --Shevashalosh (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)