User talk:Shibbolethink/Archive 13

Minor point: automatic archiving set-up
I observe when you set up automatic archiving at Special:Diff/1060939924 you set numberstart=7 when the Archive 1 existed but Archive 2 through Archive 6 did not. This caused the talk header display to display the index and archive 1, but to miss Archive 7. I consider it a good faith minor mistake, and quite frankly a sort of mistake I make quite a lot of at a frequency of once or more a week. I 'fixed' the issue yesterday by adding null pages for Archive 2 thru 6 (My initial thought had been to rename archive 7 to 2 but it might have interfered with the bot and or/its index. There have been a number of discussion irregularities in my opinion on a recent discussion and your action slightly obscured one that I may choose to take to a noticeboard at some point; however I confirm I would find it totally implausible you setting of the auto-archiving may have been for that reason (it may have plausibly been to cover some of my uncivil comments in an earlier discussion but that is a different matter). Thankyou. 03:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-leighpark (talk • contribs)

Thank you!! Yes, I must have missed it when I copy pasted the settings. I’ve tried to fix all of those but I occasionally miss one. I appreciate your help. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 03:18, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I don’t recognize your username? Have we been in a discussion ? Was it Covid related? Or pseudoscience type stuff? Or like academic medicine?, most recently sex vs gender? I absolutely did not do it to cover anything you said up or anything like that. The talk page was long, I added archiving I'd set up on a different page, and changed the name. Simple as that! — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 03:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sort of involved where you've been discussing recently - here though we've not disucussed directly, so yes, covid related. Apologies for not signing earlier. (Lucky Covid Surivior Dec/2020(Non-hospitalized likely alpha). Lucky to be 2*Vaxzevria'd+Pfizer boosted. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 03:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Holiday greetings (2021)
Shibbolethink, I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Wikipedia. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 18:48, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I hope your holiday season goes well this year too! For my end, I will be spending the next 11 days studying for my internal medicine shelf exam, because I'm desperately trying to get a better grade in the course and I need every point I can get :)I think both for you and for me, 2022 will be better! — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Season's greetings!
FormalDude is wishing you a Hellish Hexennacht!

This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Hellish Hexennacht, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person.

Don't eat the red snow! –– FormalDude  talk 23:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And a very hellish hexennacht to you too, FormalDude! :) Sleep tight, and don't let the midnight rituals by the dawn of a full moon bite! —  Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 00:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy holidays!
Hey! Whatever you celebrate, I hope you have a good one! Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:20, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And you as well, @Sideswipe9th! I'm spending my xmas eve with a glass of whiskey and 60 multiple choice practice questions on heart murmurs :) Not what I envisioned, but COVID makes fools of us all! — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 01:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oof! I'm sat in bed, editing Wikipedia when I really should be playing Breath of the Wild and filling myself full of chocolates. Alas there's people wrong on the internet and content in dispute! What is an editor to do? Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Concatenating the Wikiproject Notifications
Hey. Feel free to combine/move all those notifications into one section above my reply. Just makes the flow easier for any closer. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:05, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I sometimes do. They're created automatically by a plugin, but I'll combine them if it makes it easier :) — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 01:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ugh, I'm not sure your notifications to wikiprojects are beneficial for run-of-the-mill RMs. They certainly haven't been standard practice so far, except for RMs foreseen to be controversial, and they may spam Wikiproject talk pages. Wikiproject members can be notified of RMs by watching Article alerts page (such as WikiProject Plants/Article alerts), although I grant that not everyone is aware of that. Anyway, that's just an (not too strong) opinion of mine, perhaps someone else may chime in. No such user (talk) 18:37, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Happy to stop doing it! I figure the more participants in RM discussions, the fewer will need to be relisted. As it stands, nearly 100% end up relisted, which is a tragedy. And there are many many discussions with 0-2 participants. I stopped doing it with Biography articles once I saw they had an automated list. if that exists for other WPs like Plants, I will happily stop tagging those as well. I mostly do it out of boredom tbh. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 18:39, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, routine RMs have never attracted much attention; perhaps a compromise solution is to issue wikiproject notification only when the article is relisted (although 's, which already handles relists, could be programmed to do that.) I believe that almost all projects have Article Alerts system (or it can be configured). Just look at an average Article alert page - we probably wouldn't want to have all those notifications issued on Wikiproject's talk. Perhaps we should move this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Requested moves? No such user (talk) 18:47, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * One issue with programming a bot to do it is that it would end up advertising at every single WP on the talk page many of which are clearly irrelevant in some cases. Such as a company that is in the US, and has a WP:United States banner. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 18:49, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't care enough about this to continue discussing it. It just doesn't matter that much to me :) Until there's a consensus in place I'll only notify WPs of moves which are stagnant, about to be relisted x2, etc. But you can feel free to discuss over there and I will abide by whatever consensus develops. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 18:51, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It also seems that many WPs alerts do not actually work as intended... For example, the alerts on WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography are all over the place, mostly closed and do not include any of the open crime moves. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 18:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

No fun!

 * An inspiration to the proper and judicious running of an online encyclopedia. Yes sir, of course. That would be far too enjoyable! We cannot have that. Your inter-office memo is duly appreciated. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 20:23, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

NPA warning
Please strike your comment insinuating that I discriminate against Chinese nationals. LondonIP (talk) 22:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * What part of that comment in particular? I don't believe any part of that comment describes anything you have said. But if you tell me which part you'd like struck and why it insinuates that you discriminate, I would be happy to. I certainly don't think you've said anything to that effect, and I do not believe that you do. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 22:51, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And further, how is that a personal attack? Please keep ASPERSIONS in mind moving forwards. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 22:57, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just Chinese nationals. Even Thucydides411 was careful to say Chinese scientists. LondonIP (talk) 22:59, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * struck and replaced. as I said "scientific publications published by ______" I would have thought it would be implied. But I have edited for clarity regardless. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Please don't do that again. I have no prejudice against Chinese people and I highly respect Chinese scientists working under these difficult conditions. LondonIP (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * How did what I said in any way imply that you do not do those things? "scientific journal articles published by chinese nationals" and "publications by chinese scientists" and "publications by chinese academics" are all synonymous in this context. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:04, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you know exactly how Chinese nationals differs from Chinese scientists in context of the gag-order placed on Chinese scientists publishing their COVID-19 research. LondonIP (talk) 23:39, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually do not. Could you please explain it to me so I don't use this term in the future? I was under the impression "national" meant "person from a country" so, in this context, a person from china who publishes scientific journal articles would, by default, be a "Chinese scientist." I am 100% serious, I have no idea how/why it would be problematic. Oh is it because it could imply Chinese people who are not in China? Is that what it is? — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:43, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If that's the concern, then I would tell you that I think "chinese academics" has the same exact connotation. It would also include Chinese-born individuals who moved to other countries to become academics elsewhere. I would urge both you and myself to use "mainland Chinese academics" to avoid this confusion. —  Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:51, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

James my friend, I am worried that there is tag teaming going on and that you are agreeing with NOLABLEAK editors even in areas where most YESLABLEAK editors agree (like a cover-up of natural origin). You agreed with me that there is a possible cover-up of natural origin, so why did you vote to delete the page and any mention of a cover-up? This looks like tag teaming just to WP:WIN. Francesco espo (talk) 23:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * uhhhhh, what? I voted to redirect/merge, which was the consensus of many many editors, most of whom have never touched these articles. I'm actually quite happy with how the Chinese government response to COVID-19 article is turning out, it includes much of the cover-up article content, but in an NPOV way. I hope it continues to improve. Much like how I have been pleasantly surprised by the COVID-19 lab leak theory article. I support having articles on these things, as long as they portray A)the scientific consensus and B)the overall dispute in a proportionate and NPOV-compliant fashion. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:48, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Participation in a signpost interview
Hi Shibbolethink, hope that you're well. I was wondering if you'd be able to participate in a Signpost interview in your capacity as a contributor to WP:COVID19? I am enthusiastic about these interviews because they help remind other Wikipedians about the passionate and diverse group of volunteers that edit Wikipedia, and into the many discussions and editors that inhabit our space, nooks and crannies. If you had time to even answer a few questions here (User:Tom (LT)/sandbox/WikiProject COVID19 interview draft) I'd be very grateful :). Tom (LT) (talk) 22:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd be happy to! When's a good deadline for answering all of these? I can probably find time to work on it this weekend — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 05:34, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! In the next week or two is good :). Tom (LT) (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Tom (LT) sorry I've been completely neglecting this :( A lot of IRL stuff happened that got in the way, and my wiki participation has been flagging. I will try and get to it this weekend, and if not then, the next. I have a big exam next wednesday that I will have a lot more time after :) (It got delayed from COVID) I hope you can still use the interview! Thanks for asking — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 00:08, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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