User talk:Shiva's Trident/Archive 2

Godhra
Godhra is of course "infamous"... how does Godhra's being infamous for having sparked of the riots hurt anyones sentiments? It was not just a venue for Gujarat 2002 riots... it is as infamous as Meerut for having sparked of Revolt of 1857... infamous is just the right word Godhra is "well known". Not famous for an achievement. Remembered for the carnage. "Infamous" is just the right word. Very neutral to say the least. --Geek1975 11:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Manu Smriti
Hello. Please try to clean the page and make it encyclopedic in the true sense. If you can do it, you shall be doing some thing really great. I tried - it is really difficult task. Thanks. --Bhadani 15:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Religious identity issues
Hi Netaji - I ask you to refrain from provoking the discussion of religion and identity politics across different articles. Yes many of the points you have are valid for discussion, but on WP one requires to strictly adhere to the business of building an encyclopedia. Your views and those of others should not take up the time and energy devoted to building an encyclopedia. If you want to discuss religion and other stuff with others, e-mail them or join chat groups, blogs, etc. Too many of your comments are loaded with the same POV stuff.

If you are so interested in religion, you should focus on writing and building articles based on credible sources. You seem insistent on driving home the point with other users that Sikhs are Hindus on Talk:Hinduism and Sikh Panth - focus instead of gathering credible references that will give you facts and credible information to add to the article. Expand knowledge, so we may all learn from one another. This Fire Burns Always  16:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That takes time. I got a copy of the Guru Granth from the library and am reading it to drive my point home. I have other crap to do too you know...Netaji 18:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * If you do have other "crap" to do, perhaps you'd reduce the posting of POV-pushing statements across different articles? This Fire Burns Always   19:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I was being melodramatic. Don't take it personally. I'm working as hard as I can.Netaji 19:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm very pleased to hear that. If you need help on anything, lemme know. This Fire Burns Always   19:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Petty warning
Are you trying to block me because I tried to revert your chauvinistic edits to the Sena article? Quit so soon? --Wikindian 02:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I ain't goin' nowhere pilgrim.Netaji 05:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I am not trying to revert your edits due to vandalism. I think that your edits are sickening, and baseless. Why are you poisoning so many articles on Wikipedia? Stop your parasitic propoganda right now, and leave this website alone, join the Sena if you want to campaign for them. The way your are using Wikipedia is truly disgusting. --Wikindian 16:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And you are engaging in a campaign of defamation and consistently violating NPOV to further your own agenda. Nothing is more disgusting than a self-hating Hindu.Netaji 16:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

bogus tags
Hello Subhash. Please desist from adding bogus vandalism tags to other's talk pages, it is an implicit personal attack.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It is not bogus. He was about to start a revert war.Netaji 05:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hindu Unity
You might want to keep that on your watch list. The pak will come back and try to edit it.--D-Boy 06:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, you might want to cool down just a bit. Not everyone here is anti-hindu.  Rama's Arrow is pretty cool and has contributed a lot to hinduism articles.--D-Boy 06:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll watch the HU article.Netaji 06:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You might want to watch Bajrang Dal. The pak made some edits.  Heck, watch the whole Hindutva category.--D-Boy 10:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have. Sleepy time for me now...Netaji 10:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Both, I have serious objections to your using the abusive slang Pak to refer to other users whose views you dont agree to.You have been getting chances to improve your behaviour but it seems the problem is fundamental.

Lkadvani 21:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Slang? Pak is short for Pakistani. Just like Turk for Turkish and Viet for VietnameseBakaman%% 03:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * How can you assume that everyone contributing against your POV is Pak?

and of course if you encounter a person from Pakistan he is Paksitani and not Pak while someone from Turkey is called Turk.Calling one Pakistani as Paki or Pak will sure invite you trouble as it considered derogatory.
 * "Pak" doesn;t stand for "Paki(stani)". It's short for "the pack". Learn english colloquialisms, or go live in Iran and learn Farsi...Netaji 20:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Netaji,read again the Wikipedia list of ethnic slurs and the entry of Paki - Paki / Pakki / Pakky / Pak (U.S.)

(Primarily UK) a Pakistani or other South Asian.[144] and I am very kindly referring you to an administrator for using slurs and objectionable race/ethnic related words. Lkadvani 20:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well it's okay for ME to say it because I'm the same race as a Pakistani.Netaji 20:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This term used in the Indo-Pakistani context is considered as an abuse.Do you want views from Pakistani Wikipedians?

The use of this as a derogatory reference to Pakistanis is referenced in this article:


 * Instead of white neo-nazis on the rampage, NRIs and Americans of Indian origin have reclaimed that racist slur to denigrate Pakistanis during the current Kargil crisis. Newsflash to Ignorant Indians: Long before we became South Asians, desis or Indian-Americans, we were all once Pakis.

Lkadvani 20:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * News to even more ignorant Indians. They're getting ready to slit your throat first. I'll be there to watch. When they ethnically cleanse our people fom kashmir I think most Indians would be rather miffed, don't you?Netaji 21:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from personal rhetoric on Wikipedia.

Lkadvani 00:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have already informed you that using abusive language or religio-ethnic slur is also prohibited including those mentioned above.Any violation would lead to your being referred to the adminstrators.

and enjoy your vacations Lkadvani 00:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The same to you. I am going to refer YOU to the admins as well for your defamatory attack on myself in your talk page.Netaji 00:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Bajrang Dal
First of all, remember to obey rules and sign your name when you make comments on my talk page. Secondly, if you're posting allegations of hateful statements by the Pope, Pat Robertson, or whoever, you had BETTER cite them. Otherwise, you're lowering the standard of this website from an encyclopedia to a website that's involved in smear campaigns against popular people.

Also, just because you cannot come up with concrete arguments based on tangible facts does not give you the authority to simply use the garbage-can term of 'vandalism'; if it's unclear, Wikipedia actually categorizes people who post non-cited propaganda as vandalism; not people who try to stick to the facts. --Disinterested 17:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I find it amusing that you defend a racist evangelical Southern Baptist theocrat nutjob like Pat Robertson. Do you know what this man has to say about Islam? See his website. He calls it a 'Demonic faith of terrorists' and insults muslims as 'unholy minions of Satan' (his own words). Think twice before writing a paean to such a man. Plus, the Catholic Pope has often demanded that all muslims abandon the 'false ways of the Koran' and 'embrace Jesus' or face 'eternal perdition'. I believe some muslims regard him as one of Islam's greatest enemies...Netaji 10:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment
Subhash, I am very disappointed. I had made a few changes to 2002 Gujarat Violence a couple of days ago, but did not notice that the tabbed browsing o in Wikipedia with firefox was working again. There is a standard, accepted response if another editor notices this, which is to reintroduce the deleted portions of the end of the page, but I notice you chosed to revert and then slapped a vandal note on my userpage. You should know by now that I dont make edits which arent carefully thought out, even if you dont always agree with Unless you change your attitude as I suggested, in my long, long, letters that you immediately archived, you will alienate everyone here. Hornplease

Warning
''If you refer me as a terrorist-lover one more time, I will try to block you. I am forgiving you one more time, even though I should not.''--Wikindian 21:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Uncivil?
Subhash, There is a difference between calling someone chauvinist and calling someone a terrorist-lover. I am not exaggerating nor trying to demonize you. So, it is YOU who should pay heed to the warning. --Wikindian 21:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Veiled epithets? I don't remember even one of them. Your honesty is nothing but branding others as terrorist-lovers, when they are not. That becomes defamation, so, be warned, unless you want to be blocked for a day or may be for a week. --Wikindian 22:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

just ease up a little bit
Dude, just try to calm down a little bit when interacting with others. There's no point in getting banned. Others users will use your anger to get you banned. Not everyone is anti-hindu.--D-Boy 03:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, but Wikindian clearly seems to be. He should be watched very closely...Netaji 05:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Blatant attacks and HARASSMENT by you
I am EXTREMELY OFFENDED by your comment: "your Osama." I am warning you that this is not your private lounge where you can say whatever to whomever. Personal attacks such as this will be reported and you will be kicked out very soon. It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars. Also, DO NOT REMOVE CITED MATERIAL.

--Disinterested 08:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This user DELETED my comments from his talk page which is illegal. --Disinterested 11:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Look who's talking
After you called me an anti semite and Osama's fan, said "what's the f'ing problem", and Osama's fan, you are finding someone insulting ? I just used the same tone as you did, so if you find that insulting please look at your own tone. Haphar 13:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You are an anti-semite. You have used an anti-semitic canard of the mythical 'Jewish Lobby'. That is the perfect example of anti-semitism. Might as well start quoting from the 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion' or something from David Duke's books. There is a category in wikipedia for anti-semitic people.Netaji 18:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You are anti India for calling India a "stinkhole". You are also anti Islam .calling it names here  and here.

Anti Jewish lobby is a report published in the west which I quoted. It's not just my claim. Also saying that a "Jewish Lobby " is at work in the U.S might be labelled as anti semetism in the U.S, but fortunately Wikipedia is not the U.S.A. . Many countries lobby in the U.S, pointing it out does not make one against the nation. But then name calling is easier to do than giving logic. Haphar 19:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is located in USA, and you are an anti-semite. There is an Israeli lobby, but it is minor at best and has littel influence. USA supports Israel because it is in their best interests to support the one true democracy in the middle east, versus all the tin-pot Islamofascist theocracies who should be bombed. I am more pro-India than you. I have every right to criticize India for electing the most useless government in human history like the UPA into power. Speaking the truth about the 'Religion of Peace' makes me anti-Islam, then ok. I am sick of political correctedness and the truth needs to be known.Netaji 19:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * So your calling Islam a religion of rapists killers and bombers is speaking the truth. And to say there is a Jewish lobby as well as Isreal is doing wrong to Palestine is anti semitism ? Let me repeat myself here, you might resort to name calling when a POV differs from yours or when you do not have logic, I still prefer logic as the first line. One can "talk" of a Jewish lobby ( or a Hindu or an Indian or a Pakistani lobby) and not be anti the country or the religion. Specially when there has been a paper written on the subject One can be against a policy of a country and not be against that country or it's main religion. If you are pro India then display it not by moving to Austin. Take the new flag sing it's praises ( already happening) and let go of the "stinkhole" as you called it. If this is pro India then no thank you, ndia does not need such "pro" Indians. A person calling his country names is anti the country more than a persson referrng to lobbies or policies Haphar 20:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The fact that India is one of the poorest countries in the world is not an insult, but a fact. Because of you negationists and your UPA government and their vote bank politics and 5-year plans, we have been dragged through the mud. Sometimes, it is necessary for a well-wisher of India to belt you people to your senses. The Mearshimer and Walt papers has been thoroughly discredited as an anti-semitic lie, and anyone who touts the mythical "Jewish Lobby" to advance an agenda is an anti-semite by definition.
 * Your screed attacking my patriotism is pretty dumb. I am in a foreign country, but I am deeply devoted to India and have donated sizable sums of money to charities like IDRF and others. The fact is that unless India becomes a Hindu Rashtra, we will never develop. We will be partitioned further, with UP, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Jammu, Rajasthan,Haryana and others separated as a Hindu Rashtra. With that, the rest of the left-leaning beggars in Bengal, Orissa and the Southern States will lose the most economically advanced states in the country and will be global pariahs like Cuba or North Korea, while slowly degenerating into Islamic theocracies like Iran or Saudi Arabia (without any oil to sustain your economy, you will form the poorest muslim country in the world, millions will starve to death while mullahs and muslim drug lords rake in the money). Hindus will be ethnically cleansed from there and migrate to the HR, Pakistan will bomb Punjab back to the stone age with Nuclear warheads and we will be able to do nothing to stop them. The Indian Subcontinent will become like the middle east is today. THAT is the direction that you people are taking us towards. Until you stop, India will remain a stinkhole, and thus it is only right to point out that India is a stinkhole. First, get your act together like Israel has done, then talk.Netaji 20:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah right, and the most intelligent analysis was at work in calling me anti semitic and Osama's pal. We have been dragged through mud a million times in the last 1000 years and divisionists have caused it more than anyone else, So go ahead and divide and watch the one's you fear laugh all the way to the bank. West Bengal is incidentally doing a better job of attracting FDI and new projects than most Indian states including the progressive right wing Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan who cannot get over Gaushala's and temples to look at economics. The south incidentally is growing more than Maharashtra is at the moment. A.P, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu are fast emerging as a preferred location for business.
 * Your scenario is at least original. I will refrain from saying more as it is hard to take this as a serious attempt to point at a future danger. In all this you did not factor in China at all. A serious rational attempt would have had all aspects covered, China would gobble the North East and get access to the Bay of Bengal. Incidentally if the Hindu Rashtra pipe is not smoked ( and all the Sadhu's in akhara's smoke it so let's not talk of liberals here) then this division stops right ? So it's in your hand to stop this "scenario" from playing out, desist and the nation remains as it is. Someone needs to belt you to your senses too. For you yourself spelled it out how your path would lead to a split and still you continue down the path.

Nuke's in Punjab- Naah- no industry, hardly impacts anyone and nuclear fallout in Pakistan ( too close to the border see) NCR is target no 1, 2 and 3, and maybe Bombay 4th. Take out one you take out the govt, the defence hq, take out the other and you take out most of India's tax revenues. And you repeatedly call your country names, desist. The stinkhole gave you a degree that got you where you sit today. Haphar 21:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No INDUSTRY???? Punjab practically feeds the whole of India! It is one of the few places where, thanks to the Sikhs, muslims were unable to vandalize much. Punjab has the most arable land in India. If the paapistanis nuke Punjab both India and Pakistan are scrwed (from fallout+no food). However, the muslims are not known to follow logic when the dicta of their holy koran are concerned, which tells them to slaughter all infidels.
 * The stinkhole did not give me a degree. I earned it fair and square. The stinkhole gives unmeritorious degrees to Dalit Christians who enter through quotas.
 * My path may lead to a cultural split, not a territorial one. A split where the muslim can go form a mini-Iran in Pakistan if they want. China will not attack India coz Chinese are more reasonable and have their own problems to deal with in Tibet and Xingyang. Chinese just engage in saber-rattling now. They may supply arms to Paapistan, but, ina crunch, they will back USA coz they are more interested in cultivating better relations with the most powerful country in the world than some mullah infested collections of mud huts. Right now, they are merely trying to counterbalance. I don't see China as a serious threat militarily (maybe economically).They want economic development. Paapistanis hate us and want to destroy us. They are not 'rational' per se. Big difference. Plus, Taiwan is watching China closely.
 * One thing though. If you look at the map of the subcontinent, you will see that Paapistan will cause severe damage to India in a nuclear blast, but Indian nuclear retaliation will completely annihiliate their country. One high-kiloton explosion in Balochistan or Sindh in the right time of year and radioactive residue will spread all the way to NWFP by winds, causing massive epidemic of radiation sickness and cancer. We can defend oursleves if we remain territorially unified. Ever heard of KALI (Kilo-Ampere Linear Injector)?Netaji 00:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You have very obviously not kept in touch with parts of your own country. Punjab did lead the green revolution and continues to lead in food production but compared to the 70's and 80's India's dependency on food being based on Punjab is lower. So nuking Punjab gets lower returns than a NCR or Mumbai ( where there is also good old BARC and Trombay).
 * The stinkhole subsidised through it's socialist methods a class one degree for you, so your degree is owed to the "socialist" you abuse, (like your country), your talk reminds me of a movie called "Purab aur Paschim" and a character played by Pran in the film.
 * China has no issues left in Tibet, it is not even like the issue India has with Maoists and Naxalites in Central and Eastern India, Muslims in Kashmir and the ULFA + the Mizo and Naga rebels in the North East. Taiwan watching China is like a mosquito watching an elephant. Has no impact on what China does.
 * Yes, and there are no such problems in your beloved country Paapistan, right? (Separatist movements in Balochistan, Osama in Waziristan, mad mullahs everywhere). Go ahead. Root for Pakistan. Then I'll be there to watch when you are forced into Dhimmitude and Ajraf-hood and get shot at by LeT.Netaji 09:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well for a person who left the nation and sings the American anthem who are you to talk of patriotism ? You worry about the KKK and getting stuck on the wrong end of a cross and let me worry about my country.Haphar 16:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Though you can try and arouse me by getting "Punjab" attacked. By birth I am from Uttranchal, and if you Have to pin a home state on me it's Haryana (Kurukshetra district). So try a change of tack, rather attack. Haphar 15:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * China has no issues left in Tibet? Now look who's not been keeping touch! China has been condemned by every major Human Rights org for what the commies have been doing to people there...
 * wrt Nuclear attacks, the Kilo-Ampere Linear Injector being developed by DRDO will easily deflect any attack from the Pakis in a major metropolitan area. Please, since when have the Pakis been capable of any real innovation compared to India? We developed our own home-grown supercomps, remember? Paapis just got all their techie as goods smuggled from erstwhile soviet countries anyways...Not worried abt that.Taiwan is 100 times more developed than China. Taiwan is a first world country and China a third world country. With American backing, Taiwan can be a very poisonous mosquito to China.
 * Haryana, eh? A nuke on Punjab would bring radioactive fallout to Haryana. You'd suffer a fate worse than Punjab if the muslim nazis you love so dearly attack. Ironic, isn't it, that the ones who love them the most will be among the first ones slain in their jihad?Netaji 08:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * DRDO projects ( Like Arjun/Agni) would take a few decades to implement or not deliver. Unfortunately ( for you) Pakistan is not going to go by your list of people you hate before deciding the region to Nuke. So Kurukshetra is safe. I am not claiming Pak superiority, you are the one who raised that they would bomb us. ( try and remember what you said, it would help). Everyone recognises China's ownership of Tibet. Including India who got hit pretty badly by China. We still kowtow to the Chinese. Taiwan is not even recognised even by India and 90% of the world. It's a non entity for China. Taiwan's size as an economy is microscopic compared to China, read some economics and find out, Taiwan was something in the 80's, last two decades it's been left behind as an economy.

You have been abusing India and claiming Pakistan would bomb us, and then you say I root for Pakistan ? I root for a secular nation unlike your version of a communal one. And you get so incensed at a denial of your vision that you get India nuked, and choose regions the opponent comes from.( You left out Uttranchal) Not to mention taking silly pleasure in making visions of the opponent being killed by some obscure group. That's just shows your lack of control and emotion and does not help you with the discussion. Haphar 16:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Not a good idea to imply that Haphar is an Islamofascist. Blnguyen | rant-line 08:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Islamofascist? Hardly. That requires something that he does not have. No, he is more of a typical liberal anarcho-fetishist like Nancy Pelosi or Arundhuti Roy. He has called me worse things. It's almost worth a holy war just to see the muslims take care of them...Netaji 08:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Let him decide, half a discussion ago I was a Paapistan lover. Incidentaly the turn of phrase liberal anarcho-fetishist is an oxymoron, but then one used to dropping words are not to bothered about their meaning. He does not see that he proposes another version of the right wing fundamentalism he opposes in Islam.

Reporting you
Neta, I am reporting you to an administrator for getting you blocked for your most recent post. --Wikindian 16:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

You might be blocked in future
I have reported you. --Wikindian 16:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And I have reported you.Netaji 23:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice try
Nice try on the Gujrat page, no one is saying "biased" just mentioning the name of the author and the website where the claim is made and the fact that on the link given there is just the accusation given and no proof. So none of all this is unsubstantiated, or are you saying that Koenraad has not written this ? The website does not have voice of dharma in it's id ? Or that there is proof on the link given ? I am presenting the full facts, whereas the current write up hides some info. I am sure I can get someone else to make the change. Haphar 21:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That is all original research (yours). Until you have third parties confirming it, your opinion is irrelevant.Netaji 21:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * By your own logic then your claim that the link is not Koenraad Elst writing on a site called voice of dharma is also original research ? So get third parteis to confirm it is not Koenraad Elst writing on voice of dharma and we would remove your attempt to fool readers. Haphar 15:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You're not even making any sense now. Resorting to incoherent temper-tantrums.Netaji 19:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * One has to have some to see some. There is nothing in the text above that gives even the hint of temper or tantrum. Incoherence could be in the mind of the reader.

If we have to go into "sense" then the part you deleted was my mentioning that Teesta's conversion to Islam is "written by Koenraad Elst on a website called voice of dharma " That is obvious if one looks at the link given. You deleted it and said ""That is all original research (yours). Until you have third parties confirming it, your opinion is irrelevant. Looks like you are down to reverting / deleting without even reading what the other has written. Now your lack of sense makes sense. Haphar 19:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You wrote more than that. You made accusations that you could not back up. You know it, I know it. Plus, there are several people (other than your malik/sockpuppetmaster wikindian) watching this article now, so any monkey business will be handled.Netaji 19:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Twisting facts around never ends with you. The last revert or edit you did, referred only to "facts" like Koenraad Elst writing on a site called "voice of dharma" but then you would have to "read" to realise that. And I accused you of sockpuppetry AND proved it. All you can do is make empty claims. If you are so confident then howcome you have not requested for a usercheck ? Please go ahead. Haphar 13:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And despite your sockpuppet watching the article, someone's monkey business seems to have stopped on the Gujrat page. In fact the complete comment and link I was opposing is gone. So we can end this discussion now. Haphar 15:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Haphar should be blocked. That was a personal attack. Bakaman%% 19:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Ahh and you have another sockpupet doing your dirty work ? Bakaman first comment on the language Netaji has used on so many pages Haphar 15:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * SOCKPUPPETS SOCKPUPPETS! Our liberal anti-semitic friend haphar sees SOCKPUPPETS everywhere! I thought you anti-semites ran around and only accused Jews of sockpuppetry. So we're all Jewish according to you? I am honored!Netaji 08:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry man, I'm NOT a sock and I don't care about Gujarat articles (the best state in India). The vast majority of our Guju bhaios and bahenos realize Modi is a visionary and wont waste their breath reading Wikipedia POV. Oh and the other thing, I'm sure Netaji really has time to do dirty work on Lord of the Rings articles. Nothing like Thorin Thackeray and Mithrandir Modi for fun.Bakaman%% 03:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah Sure, so what did you get blocked for ? A sockpuppet no less. Haphar 15:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Can't eat the cake too

 * Yes, already know that you especially relish sewer-quality language. But you will either have to choose between sewer-quality language, or cyanide-quality propoganda. Yes, I understand your pain, but you can't have both. Sorry. --Wikindian 14:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Self Hatred
Why accusing me of being anti a lot of things not only do you call India, you country of birth a stinkhole, you being of Bengali origin do not leave your state either. To quote you "Maharashtra and Gujarat are the most prosperous states in India (run by the right) where left-wing beggars from Calcutta come bowl in hand for jobs". You might have moved to Mumbai ( and now to the U.S.A) for economic or whatever reasons but that does not give you the right to label an entire community as beggars. You cannot genralise based on what you went through. No original research please. And incidentally the NCP is in power in Maharashtra, along with the "Congress", filled with defectors from the Shiv Sena no doubt but still a "Congress" government. But then what is this inconvenient thing called facts or logic. Let's just wave it all away with a " I heard it on the radio" or tv- CSpan itself. Haphar 20:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I am a Mumbaikar, born and bred. I am Bengali by ethnicity. W.B. is a communist hovel. "Progress"? HAH! What progress when BB's government of communist bandits cause more blackouts per day than Uganda, and Jyoti Basu spent decades wiping that forest between his posterior cheeks with ballot paper and defrauded elections through thuggery and intimidation tactics? There are more spurious strikes and work stoppages in WB per hour than any other state. WB has no future. It is destined to be a stinkhole within a bigger stinkhole as long as it's being run by the left. Gujarat is the economic powerhouse of India. Gujaratis manage every major business and every major industry in Mumbai, and successfully too. "But then what is this inconvenient thing called facts or logic" to YOU?
 * I call India a stinkhole because it IS one. Patriotism is different from parochialism. I have every right to do so in a democracy. The jury's still out on NCP, which, as you have admitted, contains many SS members. Let's see if they can make as many infrastructural improvements as BJP-SS did, then talk. Personally I doubt it. Congress is the most useless political ideology in history, and is the most corrupt party bloc in Indian history. They'll probably just engage in vote bank politics and other crap, even when muslims blow up our trains and their extortion gangs attack Hindus on the streets. We need a DECISIVE party to make DECISIONS.Netaji 21:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So what caused you to run with whatever you had in your hand from the "right wing ruled" Maharashtra ? That should have been your ideal closest to the Hindu Rashtra you dreamed of ? And FACT is that it's the NCP and Congress in power, defected Shiv Sainiks are not the majority, and it just shows that the rats are deserting the sinking ship. Mumbai is very much competing with the decay of Calcutta and the cause of it have been the right wing regionalists that have ensured it's not on the map for newer entities. Other cities like Hyderabad, Chennai, Kochi and the NCR region that seems to be progressing. But not the "right wing ruled" Gujarat, from an emerging tier 2 city Ahemdabad is not even in the contention all thanks to Modi and friends. Saying the same words back won't change the fact that you have seldom used logic and have used abuse as a standard response mechanism. Jyoti Basu is history but then what does one expect an Austin boy to know ? The Congress has it's flaws but on the corruption front the BJP or the Shiv Sena has not been found lacking either. ( Including dear boy Raj Thackeray forcing poor widows out of dipsuted houses to line his own pockets). And as if the BJP or the Sena never milked a vote bank. They are BUILT on a vote bank that is xenophobic. Haphar 14:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Xenophobia means "fear of foreigners". So you ARE admitting that muslims are foreign to India! Ha!Ha!ROFL!LMAO!PWNED! Ram, Ram!Netaji 14:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * YOU do see them as foreign, despite sitting 7 seas away so KLPD!JKRHG!CKP!Haphar 15:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

While I do think that this is an interesting discussion, it does not belong to this talk page.--Wikindian 01:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No blackouts in Mumbai the last time I was there. Plenty in Calcutta. 'Nuff said about your socialist paradise of beggars and bandits.Netaji 08:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Just washouts in Mumbai, no need for blackouts Haphar 15:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Worse washouts in the black hole of Calcutta. Shyambajar in North Calcutta was flooded upto the neck in 1998. The schizophrenic nature of the godless communists again. Fantasizing about Brinda Karat, are we? Ewwwww.Netaji 21:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hinduism in India
Maybe you might want to take a look at that? Maybe have it concentrate on the legal/cultural position of Hinduism within the political frontiers of India since 1947.--D-Boy 20:27, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I'm looking into it.Netaji 21:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thank you very much
No problem, just stepping in before it goes too far. — FireFox  ( talk ) 12:21, 28 July '06

Languages
Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Pass this on! Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 19:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Persecution of Hindus
Answer see Talk:Persecution_of_Hindus. `'mikka (t) 02:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Watch out
The dude on the California textbook talk page, User:Holywarrior:Holy+__Warrior or whatever, is throwing anti-Hindu garbage here and there. I confronted him (a week ago) and he got an admin Ragib to block my IP for 48 hours. I don't know any nice admins, but I hope that you might have time to look into that. Bakaman%% 21:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep an eye on him.Netaji 22:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Subhash, did you mean to put a blatantvandal tag on my talk page about the textbook article, or on this holywarrior guy's page? Hornplease 01:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Great work :-)
Hey, I just looked through the changes you have made and I would like to thank you working for tirelessly for a good cause. I was just wondering, are you in contact with any Hindu/Indian Organization in your Austin area? --Sjain 02:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Trying to contact HAF. Sent them an email.Netaji 05:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hindu Vandal (this poster has been blocked for this post by an admin)
YOu are a confirment Upper caste hindu vandal. Morally corrupt as you are; you must be a Bhramin. You are a Confirmed sock puppeteer. You have been going around with another user name "Netaji"--Yeditor 12:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This is the first instance of personal attack from Yeditor.
 * The second instance is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caste&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Caste#subhash_bose
 * His third instance will be recorded below:

Netaji 12:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Lol that guy doesn't realize Netaji is your display name.Bakaman%% 15:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This poster Yeditor has been blocked for vandalism and/or personal attacks.Netaji 01:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Bengal
tried to make it more active--D-Boy 18:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
For someone accusing others left right and center of sockpuppetry, and having being proven a sockpuppet himself,and when Bakaman has already been accused of being your sockpuppet, it is really funny that you should be "surprised" by this. And what adds to the suspicion is the timing of the start of this sudden defender of Netaji, who seems to have come into existence around end July when Netaji got worried that some reportings might lead to a ban. And If I wanted my sockpuppet not to seem like taking interest in my articles suddenly, I would also leave messages on my sockpuppet's talk page to "help". Provided I had a sockpuppet in the first place. Haphar 18:58, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ha!Ha!lmao! This is amusing. Too see the psychopathology develop is also truly enlightening.Netaji 19:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes so are attempts to remove comments left on your page that point towards sockpuppetry- Again ! Haphar 19:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Making baseless accusations without proof is a personal attack. I will warn you once.Netaji 19:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL "D-boy is your puppet", "Bakaman is your puppet". Wow the "pak" plays dirty.Bakaman%% 20:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I never mentioned D Boy, so do not know where that is coming from, also Netaji deleted some comments to hide "his" involvement.Which is a past behaviour of his repeated. He first accuses me of sockpuppetry and then warns me when I return the favour- but then baseless accusations are a speciality with Netas. Haphar 10:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm a sockpuppet? What the hell?--D-Boy 20:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * NO but the way the "pak" talks, you soon will be. I'm supposedly one. Since you and I agree with Netaji, we must be. Remember "Indians are secular, not Hindu". Haphar, stop making baseless accusations, it gets you nowhere.Bakaman%% 15:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ahh- making predictory accusations, and that is not baseless ? But then logic and sockpuppets do not go together. Khakhi chuds over one's eyes impairs vision and makes all people not on one's side appear like "pak". Incidentally that is an insult and request you to watch your language. Haphar 10:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Caste
I realized you had reverted my edits along with the edits of the other use - I copyedited the article in those two places with your edits in place. I find your accusation that I am partisan because I am a Christian to be extremely insulting. I came to that article to read up about untouchables and the caste system based on a discussion I had with a friend from India so that I would be less ignorant when we talk again - you should read the copyedits I made rather than just assume bad faith about my edits. -- Trödel 02:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. If you thought I was insulting you then I apologize. I was just making an observation. I have seen a lot of bigotry and hatred on wikipedia message boards and talk pages and tend to be a little reactionary. I assure you that a lot of information on wikipedia regarding caste is unreliable on account of it being edited by partisan editors. Caste system is a social evil that all affects all of India, not just Hindus. Muslims and Christians also have castes in India, as do Sikhs. People with vested interests (*cough Christian Missionaries *cough) are trying to blame it all on the Hindus, and I'm trying to correct that, that's all. Good luck with your search for knowledge. Caste is less of a big deal in urban areas and more serious of a problem in rural areas as a general rule.Netaji 03:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thx for the apology - I'll read the caste info with the typical critical eye I read all wikipedia articles - and read the references as well. I really don't care about blame - I am more interested in understanding the vocabulary, history, etc. -- Trödel 12:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Babri Mosque
What happened to the article? It was completely fine a month ago. It was actually very well balanced.--D-Boy 05:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * this place might be of use to you: User:AMbroodEY/Fundy Watch--D-Boy 06:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Michael Witzel
inserting bogus claims about the content of references is a form of vandalism that is particularly hurtful to Wikipedia. If you indulge in that sort of thing again, you will be blocked from editing. dab (&#5839;) 22:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * also do not issue bogus vandalism warnings . You were caught by an anon, but your edit was still bogus. Again, if you do not reform, you will be blocked from editing. dab (&#5839;) 22:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Think
Some of his edits are plain wrong. I am planning to leave the good ones. Don't start an edit war unless you are blockedsick.--Wikindian 01:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I support Nobleeagle's edits (except for the grammatical errors). Threats won't work against me anymore.Netaji 01:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Whether or not you care to pay attention to these "threats" is a comment on your brain-size. But, most of Eagle's edits are faulty. Whether or not you "support" them does not matter if you can't defend them. I have already replied to this. So, lets start an edit war once again. --Wikindian 01:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

dab
What's the other article that he is giving you trouble with? I never had a problem with him before. Actually, he did the rigvedic dieties section. Are you using citations for your "contraversial" edits? Trying contacting these admins: User:DaGizza, User:Deeptrivia, User:Bhadani, and if you're still on good terms contact: User:Rama's Arrow. I'm not an admin.--D-Boy 07:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that you're not an admin. That's not why I contacted you. I just need a kind soul to monitor dbachmann in case he blocks me.Thanks.Netaji 08:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi
He has made veiled threats against you too in the witzel talk page Do you have proof? --Babub→Talk 11:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

3RR violation at Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America

 * I reverted the last edit so as to counter previous editor's 3RR violation. I think there has been a grave misunderstanding.Netaji 08:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please see the "Self Reverts" section of WP:3RR. In the event that an editor reverts over the 3RR limit, they are responsible for the self-revert. While I appreciate your willingness to help your fellow editor, perhaps you could use this time to review the 3RR policy (and related policies) so as to not have this happen again? Otherwise, without proper knowledge, this really just looks like a protracted revert war. ~Kylu ( u | t )  08:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm truly sorry. It won't happen again. Scout's honor.Netaji 08:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Unblock
"

"
 * I do not see how this edit is supposed to be a gentle explanation of 3RR to a newbie. At the moment, I'm declining to unblock you, though if another admin does so, it's their perogative. If an admin does unblock you before the expiry, I'd urge them to do the same with Borntorebel also. I have no doubts that the two of you can make valuable contributions to Wikipedia, and I firmly welcome you to do so and appreciate your willingness, but revert-warring like that serves no useful purpose, and perhaps you'll both subscribe to WP:1RR from now on? Please don't see this as punishment for the two of you. Thanks for your understanding. ~Kylu ( u | t )  09:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I concur with Kylu's block here. I suggest you take a break & resume editing constructively once your block expires. I have also been noticing that several of your edits have been dangerously close to being incivil & borderline personal attacks. Continued behaviour of this kind may fetch you a longer block. I respect the fact that you hold strong socio-religious/political beliefs but please remember that Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Please keep your discussions relevant to improving articles & Wikipedia in general. Thanks --Srikeit (Talk 10:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have been. For the most part, I've been trying to expose the fact that others have been using wikipedia as a soapbox for biased and racist propaganda.Netaji 10:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Re:Your email. While I appreciate the fact that you are, from what I understand from your mail, fighting against racism here on Wikipedia, I personally try to focus on editorial issues such as, well, 3RR violations, verifiability, citation method, grammar and spelling (even though my own is horrendous, yes), and similar problems. I leave it to far wiser admins than I to determine what to do about these, as I'd rather not get involved in a situation where I'm immediately over my head, if you get my meaning? I'd probably suggest avoiding such terms as "Pak" and "Paki" as you stated, however, since others could misconstrue the meaning. Good luck to you. ~Kylu ( u | t )  01:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Your recent message

 * Reference

I refer to your recent message. I would request you to please continue here in conformity with the policies. It is a different thing that sometimes you will find "might is right" in wikipedia. This is everywhere - and, wikipedia is no exception to this human tendency. I am sure that you shall continue your work here to build the encyclopedia and will not stop like lesser mortals like me! --Bhadani 08:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Greeks defeated a greater army at Thermopyle. Shivaji defeated a mightier muslim horde. I'm not giving up on our mutual friend just yet. He's being watched.Netaji 08:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I found your user page inspiring. I have also learn that wikipedia is being mis-utilized by some editors. We should watch their activities so that the dream project of Jimbo Wales does not de-generate further, and we may bring back its credibility. Regards. --Bhadani 16:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Watch
Dear Friend, watch your own postings. Please be a little less agressive. That would help our purpose. Aupmanyav 14:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to join
I am serious about organising patriotic indians within wikipedia as a common interest group. I have created this category for this purpose [Category:Patriotic Indian Wikipedian's Guild]. You can join this category simply by adding this category in your personal user page. More details are in the category page itself.

regards

Sisodia 04:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I notice that no sooner that the nationalist Indians started to organize themselves in a guild, attempts have begun to kill the initiative in its infancy. What else can be deduced from this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:AMbroodEY/Fundy_Watch. We surely seem to be giving enough sleepless night to Bachmann and company given that he is down to stalking me all over wikipedia.

May be this is going to be our first test. Let us not fail in this attempt. Whether in the form of a wikiproject or a category or in any other format, we are going to maintain a watch on certain users and articles. This organization was long due. This guild is here to stay. Stay strong.

Sisodia 04:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America
I'm not going to be the arbiter of what goes into teh page, but I can make suggestions if you want to guide the discussion. Blnguyen | rant-line 06:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Contact Anirvan. He has taken out all the POV garbage. He's really done a good job (Anirvan).Bakaman Bakatalk 14:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Copyright
BhaiSaab talk 19:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a copyright violation. Nothing in the website(s) cited is copyrighted and the material is paraphrased from the books, not taken piecemeal. Too bad, Sheik.Netaji 10:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually one of the websites has a copyright notice on it - the other does not, but per WP:Copyrights you'll still have to prove that it is not copyrighted or your insertion of the material will fall under WP:Vandalism. Don't refer to me as "sheikh", or "mullah", or whatever other titles you can think of. BhaiSaab talk 22:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have quoted from only one website, not two. I do not see any copyright notices on it. Show me. You have made the accusation, so the burden of proof is on you. I have not violated fair useNetaji 22:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The content you inserted was identical to sentences from this and this. The first website has a copyright notice on it, and I could not find a notice on the second one. Regardless, you'll have to prove the text from the second website is copyright-free as per WP:Copyrights which states: "All works are copyrighted unless they either fall into the public domain or their copyright is explicitly disclaimed." BhaiSaab talk 22:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Nein mein freund. The website I have cited is the original source and has no copyright. What I can do is whittle down and paraphrase in my own language. However, you have used copyright as a canard to remove factual information from the section which I fully intend to restore.Netaji 22:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * An absence of a copyright notice does not equate to an absence of copyright on the material unless you have some proof from the website itself. Per WP:Copyrights the burden of proof is on you to prove an absence of copyright on the material. Of course, if you don't copy it word for word as you did previously, then it probably won't be a problem. BhaiSaab talk 22:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * BhaiSaab continues to still want to delete the Indian caste system section on the Muslim caste system? Even after Pecher, D-boy, myself, you, and Stifle have confronted him? WikiCrusade perhaps? (I'm not using the other word, Crusade is more secular)Bakaman Bakatalk 22:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

2002 Gujarat violence
Please see my proposal at Talk:2002 Gujarat violence. Thanks, BCorr | Брайен 20:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Netaji -- I see you've started to edit, which is very much appreciated. I want to just ask you to please tone down your edits on the talk page. While you are not violating the guidelines I proposed, your tone sounds very final, as though you are making demands rather than working towards consensus with other editors. While I am not at all questioning your good faith, I just think it will help the process along.


 * Thank you again for your participation in this process. Sincerely, BCorr | Брайен 22:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Countering systemic bias in Hindu-related articles
Hi, I'm setting up this project as a child project of WikiProject Countering systemic bias in religion. Will you be a part of this, per your "fundy list" discussions? --Babub→Talk 11:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Wind ups again
"Yes, and there are no such problems in your beloved country Paapistan, right? (Separatist movements in Balochistan, Osama in Waziristan, mad mullahs everywhere). Go ahead. Root for Pakistan. Then I'll be there to watch when you are forced into Dhimmitude and Ajraf-hood and get shot at by LeT.Netaji 09:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC) "- And this is not offensive and a wind up ? Haphar 16:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes these are definitely not acceptable, and I have told him before many times to stop insinuating that other Indian users are "pak". Does "Paapistan" have any meaning or just something he made up. Also, it would be helpful to explain to me what "Dhimmitude" and "ajraf-hood" means. I think LEt is refrence to Laskar-e-Toiba, is this correct? Blnguyen | rant-line 05:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Paapistan - Land of Sinners - ridicule of Pakistan which means Land of Holies
 * Yeah, that was silly. Heh!Netaji 01:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dhimmitude - Dhimmi means protected - persons under Islamic rule who were obliged to pay a tax different to the religious tax - Zakat applied to Muslims.This is a popular terminology among Islam bashers like Daniel Pipes
 * Defaming Daniel Pipes? That's what you've reduced yourself to? Pipes is a great man and tells it like it is, is all. This might violate the biographies of living person's rule on wikipedia.Netaji 01:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ajraf - I dont know but I remember seeing in the factlet pushed by one of the authors that it has something to with the alleged lower caste among Muslims.
 * Alleged? Hardly. It's a fact. Read muslim sources.Netaji 01:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hindu right wing in India suspect Muslim's allegiance to the country hence the term Pak or Paki against them
 * Suspect? Hardly. They're sure of it.Netaji 01:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * LeT is correctly - Lashkar-e-Toiba previously a militant movement in Kashmir but recently involved in terrorist activities in many countries.TerryJ-Ho 19:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep.Netaji 01:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

For the above comments, in which you once again imply that Haphar is a Pakistani, and then make comments about him being shot at by terrorist, I've had to block you again for 72 hours for incivility and personal attacks. Haphar is also in trouble. Also, when this is over, please remove the threat of libel unconditionally with a full apology against fellow user Lkadvani, as legal threats on Wikipedia carry a mandatory permanent block. Also, please remove that hostile "reminders" list - I'm sure you can remember everybody in your head - I keep track of more people (good and bad) and I certainly don't need a proclamation on the Wiki servers to remind me. If you have a complaint about their editing styles, simply lodge a NPA complaint with the diffs, or an article mediation request, without calling them bigots, etc. Blnguyen | rant-line 02:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Subhash -Your legal notice against me still sits on my userpage even after intervention from Blnguyen. I have not had any apologies from you as well.I am reporting you to Blnguyen for administrative action.TerryJ-Ho 20:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have explained my claim to blnguyen that it is not a legal threat. If he disagrees, let him tell me and I'll remove the statement.Netaji 20:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think both parties should remove the two comments. They are unnecesary and ambiguous and unhelpful to the morale needed for productive editing. thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 01:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC).


 * That's fair. Let's remove them in the order that they were typed. Him first, then me.Netaji 02:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

einstein quotes source
actually i copied the einstein quote from your userpage. I shall be grateful to you if you can also give me the source from where you got the quote, if possible. my email address is nidhishsinghal123@yahoo.com. thank you.nids 21:47, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Potential rev of Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America
Hi Subhash. As you probably know, Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America is protected due to the recent edit war; the protection will remain until the dispute has been resolved. I'm trying to get feedback around a potential substantial revision, located at User:Anirvan/Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America. That particular edit seems to have consensus from both Bakaman and Borntorebel, but I'd like to get the broadest consensus possible before moving ahead with it.

I'd really appreciate it if you could look at User:Anirvan/Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America, and leave any feedback at Talk:Federation of Tamil Sangams of North America.

I know you're interested in FeTNA's position on the ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka, and I'd particularly appreciate your help researching that. As part of the suggested revision, I've been trying to track down every single FeTNA statement/letter about the conflict in Sri Lanka, and have been summarizing and linking to each one. I'd appreciate it if you could help track down any additional FeTNA statements, particularly any pre-1994, as well as 1996-2004.

Thanks! Have a good weekend.

- Anirvan 22:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

You back?
What an interesting week.Bakaman Bakatalk 20:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Lol Bharatveer and i have joined you as Hindu vandals. Yeditor posted 4 unwarranted warnings on my page, and backed Holywarrior up on one. Bakaman Bakatalk 21:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Two users we should watch closely. While Yeditor has a clear bias Holywarrior is a more interesting character. He seems to do a fair amount of bible thumping but he seems civil and not anti-India per se.Netaji 21:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No way, he filed an RfC against me while you were gone. D-boy, Nobleeagle, Gizza, and Rayfield made sure it got screwed.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You also might want to check BlNguyen's talk page where Holywarrior accused my bestfriend of being my sock, and a few debates with BhaiSaab and Holywarrior , the discussion of BhaiSaab's vandalism , the anti-Hindu ganging up discussion  in response to Holywarrior and BhaiSaab joining up in a hate attack on me  and Blnguyen trying to end the conflict here, in which I respected his (Blnguyen) views but our little WikiLawyering buddy here still is trying to bait me . I suggest you make a ton of noise with good admins like Gizza and Blnguyen. If BhaiSaab cites Hornplease, I have closed matters with him (merely a content dispute) and Ragib (I apologized to him, and am helping him out on wikiProject Bengal) you should ignore these baseless rants. Also I got into a little scuffle with Haphar, but Blnguyen blocked him so w/e. Bakaman Bakatalk  03:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/ShivLing of Makkeshwar
You may be interested in this deletion debate. Gizza</b><sup style="color:teal;">Chat  <b style="color:teal;">&#169;</b> 12:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

rv vandalism
Stop using the excuse (rv vandalism) while reverting in all your edit summaries in when there clearly is content dispute. This is a form of personal attack.let this be your first warning. Pls discuss on the discussion page firstYeditor 05:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. Unfortunately your edits so far have been extremely hatemongering and anti-Hindu. I suggest you read some serious and broad range of textual material for a balanced view of things and discuss them with specific sources cited. Do not advance POV and do not make polemical attacks in the article, for that IS vandalism.Netaji 05:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Blog as a source
Why are you using a blog as a source? BhaiSaab talk 18:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not an ordinary blog and not an ordinary blogger. Ramesh Rao is a collaborative scholar.Netaji 18:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Refrain
Refrain from insinuating anything about BhaiSaab. His views are well documented, just don't accuse him outright. Saying the source is anti-Jewish is good enough.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 18:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.Netaji 19:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * His views are noted on gujarat articles talk page. Just check the talk page for a couple of diffs.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 19:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What source is anti-Jewish? Please clarify. BhaiSaab talk 19:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Were not talking about the source. I merely recommended he refrain from insinuating about you, since your views are documented by myself, and Blnguyen is aware of your POV regarding the Jewish/Israel stuff.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 19:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to have to ask you to stop saying that either myself or my views are anti-Semitic. BhaiSaab talk 19:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I never said anything of the sort. I merely cited diffs. Infact, I told Netaji to not insinuate anthing.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 19:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * My comment was directed at Netaji. BhaiSaab talk 19:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Please do not reinsert corrected citations. BhaiSaab talk 19:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

hate
BhaiSaab has put a report on the 3RR board without notifying you of 3RR violation. . I have made a comment on it.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 20:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Make more noise on the noticeboard. Don't pull any punches against this hate attack. Make as much noise as you can, so the viewing admin will see taht the 3RR violation is a joke.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 21:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

regarding manu smriti
i would have loved to do those edits, but i dont know whether wikipedia accepts the scanned copies of newspapers as source or not. anyways, i found that that article became a centre of revert wars and POVs.

by the way, thanks for your reply to my email.nids 22:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll try and find out if this is allowed. Can you provide me with the name of the newspaper and the date of the article and I can go to my univ library archives and look for a microfilm of it or something. Thanks.Netaji 22:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks for finding policies for me. the newspaper was TOI and dated aroung 31st may, in the heat of madal-2. it had a full page report regarding that. but i will give you the exact date tomorrow, as i have the cutting.

actually, it is not hard to understand. the work that dalits did was basically carry off the human excreta. In india, the size of cities was always smaller than the mughal cities, so everyone used to go to fields to answer the call of nature. nids 22:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Check out The Times of India, New Delhi edition, 28th April 2006, Saturday, Pg.14. That may be of interest to you as it covers things about OBCs.nids 10:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna have to get my hands on the epaper or try to get it from library. Can you give me an idea as to what's in it?Netaji 10:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course. this is a full page of articles with references on Politicisation of quotas. The articles on this page are Dividing the future, An ABC of the OBCs, Ivy League's lip service to quotas  and one on In the end, there are still seats vacant referring to the vacant seats on IITs (which are reserved otherwise). you must be having an idea for IITs? is it true that the reserved seats in IITs are left vacant since they have to score a minimum of 1/3rd of last general candidate admitted and they (SC/ST) cant even score that.nids 11:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

3RR Block
As this is your second block, it lasts for twenty four hours. Please, be more careful in future. This is for your edits to the Gujarat violence page

Robdurbar 22:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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,, , , - though not all the same revert, still four reverts on the page within 24hours. --Robdurbar 22:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The page mentioned is actually not even a real wiki page, merely a forum to try and throw out the POV from a trashed up article with the intent of wikifying a protected page.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 23:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I disagree that all the diffs count equally as reverts (since they were on different parts of the article and one was hand edited with different language), if the complainant had followed wikipedia procedure and warned me about 3RR I would have self-reverted back.Netaji 23:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

after block has been lifted

 * Revert crap changes by Geek1975


 * Revert my user page to earlier version by Blnguyen.


 * in contemporary persecution by muslims
 * Add abt atrocities in Bangladesh
 * Many Hindu temples have suffered from implementation of the Vested Property Act through which land and moveable property has been confiscated by agents acting on behalf of successive governments. Hindu temples are also high risk areas during communal disturbances (most recently in 1990, 1992 and 2001) when it has often been necessary to call the army to protect sensitive locations.
 * The Bangladesh Liberation War resulted in one of the largest genocides of the 20th Century. While estimates of the number of casulaties vary between 300,000 and 3,000,000, it is reasonably certain that Hindus bore a disproportionate brunt of the Pakistan Army's onslaught against the Bengali population of what was East Pakistan.

An article in Time magazine dated August 2, 1971, stated "The Hindus, who account for three-fourths of the refugees and a majority of the dead, have borne the brunt of the Muslim military hatred."

Senator Edward Kennedy wrote in a report that was part of Senate Committee testimony dated November 1, 1971, "Hardest hit have been members of the Hindu community who have been robbed of their lands and shops, systematically slaughtered, and in some places, painted with yellow patches marked "H". All of this has been officially sanctioned, ordered and implemented under martial law from Islamabad". In the same report, Senator Kennedy reported that 80% of the refugees in India were Hindus and according to numerous international relief agencies such as UNESCO and WHO the number of East Pakistani refugees at their peak in India was close to 10 million. Given that the Hindu population in East Pakistan was around 11 million in 1971, this suggests that up to 8 million, or more than 70% of the Hindu population had fled the country.

The Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Sydney Schanberg covered the start of the war and wrote extensively on the suffering of the East Bengalis, including the Hindus both during and after the conflict. In a syndicated column "The Pakistani Slaughter That Nixon Ignored", he wrote about his return to liberated Bangladesh in 1972. "Other reminders were the yellow "H"s the Pakistanis had painted on the homes of Hindus, particular targets of the Muslim army" (by "Muslim army", meaning the Pakistan army, which had targeted Bengali Muslims as well), (Newsday, April 29th 1994).
 * Truncate the above and link to Hinduism in Bangladesh
 * Add stuff from here & hereNetaji 01:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Add about ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Uganda by Idi Amin
 * Add about Taliban's Persecution of Hindus
 * Add a miscellaneous persecution section regarding persecution of Hindus in Fiji from here
 * Persecution of Hindus by Christians in Bali from this book and this article (don;t cite the article, just the book)


 * Go to the Godhra Train Burning article and rewrite it from fsiusa articles.

Article on terrorism
You may find the article Terrorists of Pakistani origin interesting. It may be deleted soon in perhaps a few hours.

If you have any views on having such articles on Wikipedia, please do share them at Articles_for_deletion/Terrorists_of_Pakistani_origin

--Robcotton 16:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Fascinating. Looks like there are more keep votes than delete votes. I'll only be able to vote after block has been lifted tho.Netaji 18:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Copyright
If you didn't plagiarize content from other websites, we wouldn't have this problem in the first place. And I told you before, do not give me these titles. BhaiSaab talk 23:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You're a grad student - shouldn't you have in depth knowledge of what constitutes plagiarism and what doesn't? The "reworded" paragraph you inserted is still way too close to the original. BhaiSaab talk 23:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Janaab and Huzoor are titles? No, Janaab, they are honorifics, addressed as per the custom of "Tehezeeb" (civility) among your own people, and we are rquired to observe civility on wikipedia.Netaji 23:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no need to put up a false front. These "honorifics" contradict your general attitude towards me. BhaiSaab talk 23:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * BhaiSaab asked on one page "What if I am Indian?". Its impossible that he is. He thought Ramesh was a female name (lol) and he does not know what Janaab and Huzoor mean (if he was even an Indian Muslim). Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 00:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I just read the "Rao" of "Ramesh Rao" and thought him to be a woman. I am aware of the meanings of huzoor and janaab. BhaiSaab talk 00:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If you were Indian you would know that Rao is merely a cognate of Raja (like Rawal, Raj, Raza, Rana).Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 00:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe I don't live in India. :) BhaiSaab talk 01:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe you never did (or anywhere in the subcontinent, for that matter).Netaji 02:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I never did; that is certainly another possibility. In the future I suggest you reword additions before you add them to Wikipedia to avoid copyright violations. BhaiSaab talk 02:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In future I suggest you communicate any allegations of copyvio before deleting them.Netaji 02:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Once I see a copyvio I will delete them unless I have time to rewrite them myself. Wikipedia is not a place for plagiarism. BhaiSaab talk 03:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, right. We all know how much you care about "copyright". Perhaps more like copy(lack of any)rights.Netaji 04:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That didn't make any sense. BhaiSaab talk 05:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe this will help:

"Liberalism and democracy have not been able to help realize the ideals of humanity. Today these two concepts have failed. Those with insight can already hear the sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the liberal democratic systems. The world is increasingly turning to faith."

--Ahmadinezhad ibn-al-oudh Nutjob
 * I don't see what that has to do with you or me. BhaiSaab talk 05:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * They don't teach deductive logic in a madrassa, do they?Netaji 05:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't go to madrassa. BhaiSaab talk 05:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * GASP! BLASPHEMY! APOSTASY! IDOLATRY! al-Harb! al-Harb! alalalalalaiiii!
 * Anywho your intentions on wikipedia are eminently clear since I notice you're scouring only articles on Hindus (specifically those edited by me) for these so-called "copyright violations" while there are many articles on wikipedia with more serious copyvios, just ones that don't involve quenching the obsessive thirst of anti-Hinduism. Remember that I can do anything that you can do.Netaji 06:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * An anti-Netaji crusade?Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 17:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How is it my fault if its specifically your edits that have so many copyright violations? BhaiSaab talk 17:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Babri Mosque
A new user, User:AAhmed has been vandalizing the page, doing edits even TerryJ-Ho would not do. I don't want to tarnish my colorful block log with a 3RR.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 01:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I'm watching the article.Netaji 02:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Stalker?
I am amazed at your close watch on all articles on Hindutava... BTW you've a habit of stalking new users who threaten credibility of Sangh Parivar? --Geek1975 11:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Need to keep 'em NPOV from anti-Hindu bigots...Netaji 11:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Credibility? The Sangh represents Hindus and a majority of Hindus agree with that. Since "Sangh Parivar"-supporting "Hindutva hate-mongering bigots" are the majority of Hindus in a democracy we merely place the Hindu side.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 19:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hate attack
A supposed 3RR vio.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 22:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

He put you on the board again. Look at the above linkBakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 22:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Check this site out. You may want to voice your concerns here .Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 02:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Done, and done. ThanksNetaji 03:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

3RR Block
Robdurbar 22:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Right, you have been blocked again for breaking the Three revert rule. Be warned that this is your second twenty four hour block, and that infuture admins may extend blocks to up to a week. Please avoid edit wars. --Robdurbar 08:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

TerryJho
He's trying to get us banned .Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 14:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Page protection
I have protected the page User:Subhash bose due to the edit warring. Note: I protected the version that existed when I discovered the edit war. This is in no way an endorsement of anything -- please don't accuse me of protecting the wrong version.

I will unprotect it when things cool down.

BCorr | Брайен 22:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You protected the right version. BhaiSaab talk 22:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Shiv Sena
Isn't this a double standard? BhaiSaab talk 05:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope.Netaji 05:43, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please explain how. BhaiSaab talk 05:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that you have acted in an uncivil manner on Talk:Controversial activities of Shiv Sena. It is important to keep a cool head, despite any comments against you. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and action can be taken against the other parties if necessary. Your involvement in attacking back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors, and lead to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! BhaiSaab talk 05:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I was speaking metaphorically.Netaji 05:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would still be upset if you had directed that comment towards me. BhaiSaab talk 05:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You should see the things that he wrote in talk pages.Netaji 05:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In any case, you made a bit of a mess moving the section into a new article, please make sure the title has proper spelling and grammar. Your Controvertial activities of Shiv Sena article was put on CSD by BhaiSaab, so I took off the notice and moved it to the correct Controversial activities of the Shiv Sena, then I realized you had created a new article titled Controversial activities of Shiv Sena, so I merged that into the former. Please tell me if you made any more.  Noble eagle   <font size="0.5"> (Talk)   05:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the spelling error, and I tried to correct it the only way I knew how. It was a snafu on the part of yours truly.My bad.Netaji 05:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)