User talk:Shiversnyc

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N o f o rmation Talk  03:03, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Notice of discussion at the Administrators' Noticeboard
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic The Shivers. Thank you. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 01:21, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved. -- Donald Albury 01:59, 18 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Note that the user name may be in violation of Username policy as a group name. If this user is unblocked, a name change may be in order. -- Donald Albury 02:47, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, I have unblocked you. I urge you to change your user name to something that doesn't include "shiver". Please see Changing username on how to do this. I cannot guarantee that you won't be blocked over your user name if you do not change it. Beyond My Ken has moved (part of) your material into a new article. I urge you to provide more reliable sources for the article to help establish the notability of the band. See our guidelines for more on what we look for in determining whether a band is notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia. -- Donald Albury 03:06, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

The Shivers (New York City)
I've taken your article, did a quick Wikification on it, and posted it as the above. It's still got serious problems, and I don't know if you've established notability -- take a look at WP:ENT for an idea of we need to find that the band is notable enough for an article. Also, the writing is still, even after my edit, too much from your point of view -- please see WP:NPOV for our policy on writing with a neutral point of view. Good luck with your article, but please learn how things work here before you do anything too rash. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:48, 18 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand the neutral point of view aspect as will edit or find someone else to do so if they never remove my block. However, what I must respectfully contest is the addition of (New York City) to The Shivers as the band from New York City actually owns the trademark to the name "The Shivers" without any mention of New York City in the trademark. This is relevant because as trademark owners, that band is legally entitled to use that name. The entry for just "The Shivers" states incorrectly that The Shivers band from Austin, TX own the copyright to the name The Shivers. Their copyright expired years ago and they never renewed. I would also respectfully contest that this band does have enough notability (as per your guidelines, which I've now read), that they've performed with very big acts, in major festivals, one member doing music for a major motion picture, written about in major national newspapers in UK and on BBC radio and on major music websites like Pitchfork and definitely have a stong and growing "cult following". Just as much if not more than the band with the page, The Shivers, whose page remains uncontested. I would request that at least there be multiple entries under the name "The Shivers" without the need for the (New York City) in the title and that the entry can verifiably prove the ownership of the trademark, when the current page by the Austin, TX band does not verifiably prove it and yet remains uncontested. Again, the editing for intricate detail is noted and can be fixed. Please advise and thank you for your time.


 * It's irrelevant whether you own the trademark to the name (names cannot be copyrighted, by the way). The band from Texas existed, we have an article about them, and the editors of Wikipedia decide what our articles will be called. We have our own system of naming, and are under no obligation to use thename your prefer. Please be careful about pushing this point, our policy of no legal threats is what got you blocked in the first place, and if you push the ownership issue (which, in fact, is completely beside the point, ask your lawyer), you may be blocked again for the same reason.  You're treading on very thin ice. I would point out that I moved the article about the Texas band to The Shivers (Austin, Texas), and The Shivers is a "disambiguation page" in which both articles are listed. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:20, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Your article
I added a number of tags to your article that give advice on what it needs to come up to WP quality standards and since you're new here I want to explain a little bit.

First off, I added tags regarding sourcing and original research. In a nutshell: all statements on Wikipedia have to be verifiable by an independent third party source. The first sentence of your article is "The Shivers were formed in 2001 in Brooklyn, New York City by Keith Zarriello and Joanna Erdos. Their first record, "The Shakes", was recorded at Context Studios in Brooklyn," and you source it to context studio's website. However, if I go to the website there is nothing there that supports the statement you made, i.e. there is no part of the webpage that says that the Shivers recorded there, nor that it was the first record, nor that the members of the band are Keith Zarriello and Joanna Erdos. To make that statement you would have to link to a source that makes those statements, more information about this can be found at WP:V. Some statements can be sourced to self published sources but these are few and far between, you can read more about this at WP:SPS.

I also added a tag regarding the amount of detail. For instance, the sentence "Zarriello soon fled to Canada to avoid several outstanding warrants from the New York Police Department" is probably not necessary to give an encyclopedic overview of the band. Furthermore, statements like that are usually hard to source except to personal knowledge, which brings me to the next tag: the Conflict of Interest. I will leave another message about having a conflict of interest on WP after I finish this post, as we have a ready made template. But the gist of it is that you have to be super cautious when writing about a subject in which you have a special interest, if you're part of the band for example.

The last tag I added was the notability tag, though I think it's the weaker of the tags. It looks like there is some independent coverage and so this page might be able to muster past WP:N, however I'm not familiar with notability requirements for bands so this is something that will have to be discussed by other editors.

Anyway, welcome to WP and good luck with your article. If you ever have any questions you can edit your talk page (where we're posting right now) and at the bottom add along with your question and someone will drop by to answer it.

N o f o rmation Talk  03:14, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

January 2012
Hello Shiversnyc. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. N o f o rmation Talk  03:14, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry
Please note that Wikipedia has a policy against using alternate accounts to avoid scrutiny of your edits, which we call "sockpuppetry". You can read this policy at WP:SOCK. Please choose one account name to edit with, do not use mulitple accounts, and do not use IPs to edit with when you have an account. Failure to follow the policy could potentially lead to being blocked from editing. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)