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Cory Williams
"....My Wiki is back! I emailed Wikipedia back and allowed them to post my article back up. The majority of the information is wrong anyway...." - Cory Williams

Cory Williams (born August 5, 1981), also known as "Mr. Safety" from SMP Films, is a YouTube personality who lives in Thousand Oaks, California, USA.

History
Williams started streaming online video in March 2005 on Newgrounds. He then developed a following by posting original music tracks to his Myspace, leading Myspace to sponsor him on a cross country tour. In September 2005, Golden Palace Casino sponsored Williams, making him one of the first video bloggers to receive corporate sponsorship.

YouTube
Williams's video output includes music, sketch comedy and community building. As of October 2007, Williams's YouTube channel, smpfilms, has acquired over 30,000 subscribers and over 13 million video views. He is also a user partner of YouTube's first revenue sharing program.

Television
In November 2006, he became the host of the first national TV show to spawn from video bloggers, called The FIZZ on DirecTV channel 101 in the United States. . The show features other popular video bloggers such as thewinekone, boh3m3, TheHill88, Digitilsoul, and many others. It airs daily on DirecTV channel 101.

Williams has appeared on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and MTV Scarred.

"As One"
Williams is the founder and West Coast American Event Coordinator of the international gathering of YouTube users dubbed "As One". The first "As One" gathering was held in January 2007 in Hollywood, California; Williams's associated video went on to receive over 1 million views. The second gathering, held at Pier 39 in San Francisco, California, managed to attract many of YouTube's highest viewed users, YouTube employees, and attention in mainstream press. Notable YouTubers who attended include Caitlin Hill, Ben Going, Smosh and Paul Robinett, as well as Yousef Abu-Taleb and Jackson Davis, the actors who play DanielBeast and jonastko in the YouTube serial lonelygirl15. Another "As One" gathering was held on July 7, 2007 in New York City. One is currently scheduled and November 2007 in Melbourne, Australia.

Cory Williams

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Restored prod, bumping away from CSD G11 (blatant spam) because it isn't. Appears to be a noteworthy net celeb, others disagree and have proposed it to be deleted twice now. badlydrawnjeff talk 22:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC) appeals ) 01:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Ichormosquito 03:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In order to meet the notability guidelines, a person has to be the subject of multiple, reliable sources that are independent of the subject himself. The Modesto Bee qualifies as one such source.  There needs to be one more to meet the multiple requirement.  The CNet News piece cited in the article does not even mention him.  Another article appears in the Turlock Journal, a twice-weekly, small town newspaper with a staff consisting of a managing editor, three reporters and a "newsroom assistant" (all of whom I'm sure are fine people).  The Turlock Journal article was written by the assistant and it seems to be written solely based on an interview with Williams, as it consists almost entirely of his quotes strung together with "Williams says" and "According to Williams"-type language.  While newspapers are typically considered reliable sources, there is no indication that the Turlock Journal writer did any fact checking, thus calling into question how reliable and independent a source her article truly is. So, there is one reliable source and one newspaper article that may or may not be a reliable source.  I looked, but couldn't find anything else I'd consider a reliable source.  Thus, my opinion inclines to weak delete.  ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata •
 * The CNET article references the "As One" YouTube gatherings, of which Cory Williams is the founder. You are wrong in your claim that it does not mention him.  Here's his picture and a description of his role:  http://news.com.com/2300-1025_3-6160378-1.html  Multiple YouTubers' pages link to the "As One" section in Williams' article.  If we get rid of it, Wikipedia will then fail to acknowledge that many of these YouTube celebrities are in contact with each other in the "real world".  And I don't understand your objection to the Turlock Journal article.
 * Well, I was talking about the CNET page cited in the article. The one you link to does have a picture of Williams with a caption, but is still not an article that would provide a good source for us to write about Williams.  My objection to the Turlock Journal article is that it is not really a reliable source.  I like to see a WP article have at least two solid sources and this only has one at the present time. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 13:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The major claim of notability is having a skit of his about to be aired on The Tonight Show, which hasn't actually happened yet and is just one skit anyway. If it turns into a regular gig in the future, then we'd have something to work with. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  01:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Sources: Turlock Journal, Modesto Bee, CNET [] If these alone do not speak for him, Wikipedia is broken. More: He has 16,000 YouTube subscribers, who I would argue comprise a cult audience per Wiki:Bio.  My biggest concern: many YouTubers' articles already link to his.  There's a burgeoning community of popular YouTubers, and the best way to get this across is through linking to the "As One" section in his article.  I came to edit Williams's page for the sake of enriching other YouTube celebrities' pages, not to feed Williams's ego.  Take into consideration what links to his page and all the internal links under "As One".  According to Wiki:BIO, unique contributions to fields of entertainment mark notability.  "As One" is such a contribution.  Of the 7 YouTubers who help coordinate Cory Williams's "As One" gatherings, Tubers Wikipedia does not currently find notable, 6 have over 10,000 subscribers.  At least six Tubers Wikipedia does consider notable have already attended; and, though I cannot source this, "As One" has a visible and continuing effect on their video output.  Please don't let contempt for YouTube celebrity get in the way of evidence in this article's favor.  Ichormosquito 03:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Williams's YouTube username, smpfilms, produces more than half a million Google hits.Ichormosquito 09:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Admins, please be wary of sock puppet accounts here and especially on Talk:Cory Williams. What alerted me was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_review&oldid=125702519.  Scroll to the bottom to find an abortive attempt at Williams's deletion by what look to be three SPAs that regularly appear on Talk:Cory Williams.  They posted within six minutes of each other, and I can't fathom that 3 separate users made the same mistake of posting deletion arguments on a discussion page. Ichormosquito 03:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Appears to meet WP:BIO, if only just. FCYTravis 03:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Weakest of weak keeps - barely scrapes through WP:BIO. Might be slightly more notable the average video blogger but not by much. I'd say give it twelve months and see if he drifts into obscurity (would you like fries with that?). Completely fails the 100 years test. Megapixie 10:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Although it does scrape through WP:BIO, it's another article written as promotion for a Youtube blogger. Not notable outside of Youtube. ~ SEEnoEVIL punch the keys 11:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If it scrapes through WP:BIO, how isn't it notable? According to Alexa Internet, YouTube is the fourth most visited site on the internet, the highest rating for a site that's not a web portal.  It's its own internet.  Considerable notability inside YouTube = notability outside, more often than not.Ichormosquito
 * Notability inside Youtube does not equal notability outside of Youtube. Youtube is a steppingstone in internet memetics, but no more than YTMND is. ~ SEEnoEVIL punch the keys 12:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Many people here would agree with you, which explains YouTube's shabby treatment on this site, but you're wrong. YouTube has a mainstream appeal that goes beyond "internet memetics", especially when the attraction consists of a personality with oodles of exposure.  Anyway, I promise not to go further off topic.Ichormosquito 13:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not an issue of Wikipedia's shabby treatment of YouTube vloggers, it's that Wikipedia is not here to promote the hundreds of thousands Vloggers on that site. Youtube in itself is extremely notable; every Tom, Dick or Harry who uses it to vlog isnt. ~ SEEnoEVIL punch the keys 14:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable enough for an encyclopedia that isn't paper. DickClarkMises 15:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The sources provided are all reliable. Many of these people who are discussing this article here on Wikipedia obviously know Cory enough to have strong opinions (whether good or bad) and that proves his notable presence.  I have been accused of being Cory Williams (when I am not) by the people who dislike Cory and it would be wrong to delete this article based only on the opinions of the people who dislike him.  He is notable and I support him. ViralMediaMan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Viralmediaman
 * Delete::::Yes, I have in fact accused user:ViralMediaMan of being Cory Williams, because he is. Admins, users, readers, and contributors are welcome to research and check this fact for themselves. While disturbing, it's "understandable". (update: apparently, now user:viralmediaman claims to be Mr. Safety's friend in a youtube video. in this video he goes on to say he was in Cory's youtube videos and lives in the same town. thus bias.)

I am somewhat unclear where i state arguments for deletion of articles. however, i wanted to point out an article "Cory Williams" Mr. Safety is clearly violating TOS. the basic outline for the argument and dispute follows:

A. the article is an autobiography and blatant advertisement of "self-promotion" / ie: (see User_talk:Viralmediaman) [] it is important to note that user denies any involvement and /or connection with Cory Williams or Direct Tv The FIZZ i will not argue this point, but am more than happy to explain further

B. the article completely bias, and lacks notability

C. the article inaccurate and reads like spam

going on further, Cory aka Mr. Safety is a just a random guy that uploads youtube clips (just like thousands of others) however unlike most Cory openly admits to cheating the youtube system. this where safety admits to cheating as well as on his youtube channel it says "Watched: 418,88" videos. somehow i doubt he was able to legitimately watch that maybe videos. it's really bizarre in my opinion that he blames "his friend". "HERE'S HOW I "CHEATED".... ''This all started while I was on a music tour back in March 2006. A good friend of mine offered to help promote me while I was away, so I left my account in his hands and offered him compensation for his help. At the time, I didn't feel the need to question his methods. Back then, I only used YouTube as a host to put my videos on myspace and that was about it. When I got home, started making videos again and noticed a few things were different on my YouTube account. I was still fairly new to YouTube because I only uploaded to it... but my number of "watched" videos was at 400,000 and I knew there was no way he could have possibly watched that many videos. So I asked him where that number came from and he told me how he did it. After that, I took back my account because I knew his method of promoting was wrong and a URL refresher was never used on my account again. Even though I made this video confession, many people still don't believe my situation, but I can understand why. Although, I will not let this mistake or the people who don't believe me, effect the way I do videos. I am not a cheater and I will never be a cheater and I would never risk the consequences of cheating. I have worked very hard at what I do and I will not go down because of one petty mistake such as this. If YouTube thought I was a cheater, then they would have banned my account a long time ago. Cheating did not get me ANY new subscribers and even if it did, then it was because THEY chose to subscribe because THEY enjoyed my videos. When this all happened, I only had around 400 subscribers. The refresher that was used only got my old videos a bunch of views. Many of the videos that were refreshed didn't even show up on the most viewed list because they were over 48 hours old. My total number of video views as of April 27th 2007 is 7 million views, so if 400,000 of them are fake from the incedent, then 6.6 million of those views are legit. Here's another roomer I'd like to clear up... I have never created fake accounts for more subscriptions nor do I add fake comments or ratings. As of early 2006, all my stats are legit (minus the 400,000 fake views/watches from the incedent). Many of my subscribers came from Myspace once I became more active in the YouTube community. (I have over 20,000 friends on myspace) Some people said I should have deleted my account and started over again after the incedent, but what good would that have done? Hiding what happened to me would have been worse than coming out and talking about it in public. No matter what I do, this will always be a part of my story... so why not tell it like it is. For those who refuse to believe me, I forgive you. For those who do, thank you.'' -Cory "Mr. Safety" " (END)
 * in conclusion, the following is Cory Williams admitting to cheating (as found on video clip How I watched over 400,000 videos - SEE DESCRIPTION []),

'''In conclusion, it is clear he is now cheating the terms of service regarding wikification on this encyclopedia. Thank you for time and consider on this issue of bias, neutrality, and advertising spam''' TomSkillingJr.


 * The deletion criteria are not "terms of service" and he's borderline notable anyway. Why has this become such an emotional issue for you?  Please calm down. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 21:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I will read up policies considering calm down, apologizes for any confusion. yes, i am passionate about this issue; as are others from what i have read on the talk page on the issue. not sure if i am reading your talk correctly, but you suggesting deletion criteria no longer includes articles written for self-benefit and autobiographies / resumes. thus it sounds like i am hearing basically it's ok that individuals write and create their own wikipedia pages if they have been in the paper, tv, and youtube? TomSkillingJr.


 * Delete. Scraping the bottom of WP:BIO doesn't automatically entitle one to a Wikipedia article. The evidence presented here adds up to a non-notable self-promoter fighting hard for memehood that has yet to be achieved. Being known by (a subset of) people who cyber-socialize on YouTube isn't notable. / edgarde 03:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm noticing that Wikea has a new YouTube-specific wiki called Wikitubia. This may be a suitable repository for information on Cory Williams. / edgarde 04:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep. People are still accusing me of being Cory, so I posted a video on [my YouTube profile]. I created this article, but it isn't the same as it what when I wrote it.  Thanks to the help from other people here on Wikipedia it has been edited and fixed.  Sure I came in to clear up some facts, but that was it.  I'm done with this place.  People on this site who go out of there way to hate other people (TomSkillingJr.) are the ones who drive the good and honest people from this site.  I don't need to deal with this BS anymore.  Have a day! viralmediaman
 * this video you, viralmediaman, uploaded clearly expresses and explains my point for deletion to the whole.

you just happen to live in turlock and just happen to "be" in cory's videos ? isn't that bias because it hurts the neutrality of the substance regarding notability / accountability? i am not sure to be honest. do you happen to also be the guy that refreshed Mr. Safety' videos as well ? your video speaks volumes and is interesting. i look forward to further civil debate and less conjecture on this article. TomSkillingJr.
 * Somewhat Weak ut still a Delete -- No evidence of anything notable as far as Wikipedia is concerned quite yet. Could eventually go either way. DreamGuy

Strong Keep fr0z3nkn1ght
 * Delete. It's painfully obvious that Cory Williams has made this article himself or coached one of his friends to do it for him. I cannot even understand why it's even still here. He has NEVER appeared on HBO or The Tonight Show, those are facts. His Youtube stats, such as subscription numbers, channel views, and video views are INVALID. He has admitted to using Mozilla FireFox plug-ins to enhance his view numbers. Being that he has done this, I think it's fair enough to assume that he has also minipulated his subscriber numbers (which really isn't that high, considering his length on youtube) and channel view numbers. I highly recommend this article be removed as it is being used DIRECTY by Cory to self promote himself and he is not wiki-worthy.--Mikeskehan 22:36, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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Strong Delete - Indeed it has been confirmed that viralmediaman is strongly connected to Cory, and is a personal friend - this shows extreme bias. I watched the video he linked to and there was Edit points after every three words or so, suggesting it was scripted. Could there be some irony at work here, viralmediaman works with Cory in his videos performing stunts - is viralmediaman Cory's "Fall Guy". Whilst Cory has admitted cheating using an Auto-refresher, he has not admitted creating dummy accounts to subscribe to himself. I investigated this a little, and there are many many accounts with only a handful of views that are subscribed only to smpfilms, i find this very suspicious but still not a "smoking gun" that he indeed a subscriber cheat - however within minutes i found this account - how can someone subscribe to smpfilms without watching anyvideos?? - i also noticed on the youtube profile of viralmediaman's YouTube profile that he linked to above ^^^ : a bullettin from smpfilms which states : WIKIPEDIA HELP: Do you have a WIKIPEDIA account? If so, can you go help Jake out with my article by demanding Wikipedia to keep the article up... I would but apparantly I would be breaking some rules by discussing topics on my own article.

It's under: Cory Williams

Thank You for everything you guys! I really can't thank you enough!

from the above statement i would be very suspicious of the people here that suggest a "keep" are they simply cory-fans from youtube chiming in at his request? also does Cory think he can DEMAND things to wikipedia??. As has been said before "Scraping the bottom of WP:BIO doesn't automatically entitle one to a Wikipedia article". And as for viralmediaman's threat to leave Wikipedia, from his contributions - he came to wikipedia simply to promote cory and the projects that cory is involved with. None of which are really notable enough. Shoopshoop 00:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete - Article's subject has requested page be deleted through the OTRS system. FCYTravis 06:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

SmpFilms
YouTube fakelebrity Cory Williams (also referred to as Mr. Safety, but only by himself) is an Internet lolcow, a professional  New media Parasite and a figurehead to a few YouTube Nobodies. Cory owns the Smpfilms advertizing channel on YouTube.

He lives in Central California, right near Salida/Modesto.

YouTube gave Cory Williams thousands of subscribers by featuring him on the YouTube homepage and on the YouTube Signup_invite page. They have paid and promoted him as well by making him a YouTube Partner. When the YouTube Community ignores Cory Williams he cheats using MySpace autoplayers and dummy accounts to create fake comments, fake ratings and fake views. Which is interesting, because Cory has a deep fear of Google search pulling up Wiki-Truth (like this article). Oddly enough, he uses the facade of respectability he has created on Google's YouTube to scam people into sponsoring him. His channel has become a neverending advert-segment. Welcome to the fucked up world of Smpfilms.

Help me...to help you!
Mr. Safety polluted the Internet by branding a San Francisco YouTube gathering (February 2007) with his own "As One" logo and declared that from that day on "where two or three gather in my Name, there I am in the midst of them and deserve all the credit" - Cory 18.20. Noone wanted to go to to any YouTube meetups after that, since noone wanted to be just another chair-filler in a Cory Willaims advert.

In March 2007, NickyNik and Cory rehearsed for a skit on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, however, the staff of the Tonight Show decided to not use it at the time because it was utter crap.

Three months later (22 June 2007) Cory Williams was given a two minute pity slot on the Jay Leno Tonight Show where he babbled incoherently about his girlfriend and hats. NickyNik then snapped the kneeling Williams with a large elastic band whilst Cory told the unimpressed audience that he was a New Media Consultant.

Jay Leno's obvious "WTF is this Internet shit" attitude may have been down to 4chan.org having mercilessly Goatsed his online NBC forum for the previous 24Hrs as revenge for a failed attempt by Carson Daly (of NBC) to steal their Rickroll joke.

On April 1st 2007 Williams proposed to his girlfriend in a YouTube video. It is rumored that he intends to use the same attention-grabbing ploy again and video himself dumping her either sometime in September 2007 or earlier if he drops 5 places or more on the YouTube most subscribed list.

In a haze of weed-induced paranoia Producing101 got everyone already involved with organising 777 (known as the Committee) to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA). This dumb move stopped everyone involved talking to everyone else, both inside and outside of The Committee (since they had no idea what they could and could not say and were afraid of being dragged into e-court). This sudden and unneccessary silence made everyone claim that the Committee were an exclusive bunch of elitist bastards, and all the members of the Committee (except Nalts) were afraid to say otherwise because of the Non-Disclosure Agreement.

When Cory Williams found out that he was too late to grab the easy money and free kudos that would go with being a figurehead for the New York gathering (and all the future YouTube gatherings as a result) he decided to try and kill 777 by arranging for anyone considered e-famous on YouTube to be half-way around the world in Australia on that day at a different "As One" gathering. Noone was interested.

At the invitation of The Fizz-backed Katiesopinion crew, Cory then tried to arrange a gathering in west Philadelphia (where Will Smith was born and raised, a place which, on the playground, Smith spent most of his days, and which, more pertainently, was only one hour's travel away from New York). This meetup was arranged for 30 June 2007, a week before 777. By doing so he hoped "As One" could steal the buzz from "iTube NYC" and cut the 777 attendance in half. Noone was interested.

Producing101 needed some money to buy a bus so he approached Cory Williams to see if DirectTV's "The Fizz" would front him at least some of the money. After private negotiations between Producing101 and Cory Williams, the 777 gathering became an "As One" overnight.

To seal the deal Producing101 organized the making (by the Committee) of one of the worst emo-bullshit-filled videos to ever hit the most viewed pages on YouTube (As One - NYC 777). The video was posted on 9 different YouTube channels at once and stirred up a shit-storm of epic proportions. The fact that both Nalts and Podcasting101, the people who had originally initiated 777 had been left out of the decision-making process and the associated failtastic 777 video caused a huge rift and eventually Flame wars between both the iTube NYC and As One camps.

From: mrsafety, smpfilms

Date: May 30, 2007 1:55 PM

Subject: RE: "Cory hopes we fail." - What?????

To: Jill 

Jill,

Karen and Joe were able to get back to me just fine and we were all on the same page (as far as they told me). The last time I was able to get contact with you was when we spoke on the phone, immediately after the meeting and I thought everything was cool. The reason I stepped down was because I was trying to take the stress off of the team... besides, I didn't stop helping, I just stepped down a rank... I was still doing the website and promotions (after the location announcement) like I said I would. I'm not bothered by the name change... I'm bothered because you assumed that I wanted you to fail and those kinds of assumptions are not very kind when you speak them to others. I have read an email were you stated that assumption to several other people, so you can't say you never said it. You knew I was still helping you Jill... you knew I was waiting to hear back from you regarding the location of the gathering so I could promote it on the website and in a video... heck, everyone knew that I was still waiting for more information from you so I could help (it was posted publicly on my website for a week)! So why didn't you contact me and tell me you were switching to podcasting101's website??? You don't like the guy, but you'd rather talk with him than me??? That felt like a major slap in the face Jill. I may not agree with the way you are dealing with your problems (no one else on the team had any problems), but I hope you really do come through for the people who attend your gathering. These people deserve a drama free gathering. With that being said, I'm not even going to say anything publicly about your shift against me. This gathering stuff was started for just one reason... to bring people together... not to talk bad behind backs or make uneducated assumptions in public. I don't mean to sound like a prick (LOL too late for that), but I'm not going to attend your gathering. Your the host and it's pretty obvious that you don't want me there. Enjoy the gathering and I mean that in a non-sarcastic way. Let's just stop talking from now on and leave it at that. I don't want the issues between us to effect the experience of other first time gatherers. I have removed all information regarding the NY gathering from my website since it's no longer needed anyway. -Cory (Williams / Mr. Safety) PS... you might want to tell podcasting101 to remove all those fake RSVPs from his website, because there are a few people that are on his list that are very upset that they're on there. It may also dissappoint a lot of misled people who'll come to the gathering just to see their favorite YouTubers (who aren't even coming). Don't let the people get misled.

When Cory Williams' spy on the Committee dropped this and other Committee emails all over YouTube Nalts, who was back on the Committee, contacted Cory Williams and they posted this shared video.

''Despite being as welcome as a turd in a spacesuit, Cory Williams claimed he ws going to 777 right up until a few days before the gathering. When word spread that Cory was not going hundreds of people decided to make the trip to New York and the final attendance was over 9000 people (or at least 100 people, depending on who you ask and whether they were actually there).''

Cory Williams - Evidence of Pathological Lying
The YouTube Terms Of Use have been rewritten to accomodate people selling and advertizing from their YouTube channel. The only problem with this is that unlike Old Media where advertising is regulated,  New Media Parasites are able to make any shit up that they want and present it  in their advertizements as fact, which of course is a deplorable and not something that good people would ever engage in.

After hearing disturbing rumors, Encyclopedia Dramatica researchers where dispatched to verify the "truthiness" contained within the stream of non-stop adverts on the youtube channel.

The most recent video on the Smpfilms channel was chosen as a test sample.