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Roberta Williams scheduled for TFA
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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you today for Roberta Williams, "about a notable game developer, who earned their reputation mainly with the King's Quest series from the 1980s and 1990s. She arguably developed the first graphic adventure game, which catapulted her career and her company, Sierra Entertainment. She retired in the late 1990s after Sierra went through a series of acquisitions (including some unfortunate financial drama). But she leaves a great legacy of titles she personally developed, plus the successful business that she ran with her husband, Ken. She has won lifetime achievement awards for her overall career."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * +1. Cool choice of topic, thanks. Levivich (talk) 01:30, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Really enjoyed working on this one. Thanks for the appreciation. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought the name on the front page was familiar! Congrats on reaching the front page! Panini!  • 🥪 17:41, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The face was familiar too, thanks to all those KQ4 death screens... Double sharp (talk) 22:58, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for all the support. FA writing is serious work. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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Heads up About Dark Moon
If you are still interested, you have done a copyedit of the lead a bit back but I have since then overhauled it to make it comprehensive to the article's contents. If you are willing, could you do a second lookthorugh? Panini! • 🥪 15:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy to help and glad to see you working on this. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:39, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Star Control
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Metroidvania category
Game genre categories generally don't require citations, and I don't understand on the insistence for this particular category of Category:Metroidvania games? This is very problematic for a newer term like Metroidvania, which means reviews of older games can't possibly contain the term. The genre itself has a clear definition, and usefully applies to a lot of older games. When the elements of a game are well known and fit this definition, it is not WP:OR to apply the definition, it is simply applying the facts. 1+1=2. Furthermore, you're reverting even the ones I can provide a modern source for which actually use the term. I have no idea which sources you consider valid or not. You're gatekeeping a very useful categorization with an impossible task that has very nebulously defined requirements. I think some of your removals were correct, but for others you're eliminating good and correct information. List of affected articles: - Rainwarrior (talk) 21:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The Adventures of Captain Comic
 * Captain Comic II: Fractured Reality
 * Citadel (video game) -
 * Citadel 2


 * Categories follow from what can be verified in the article body. It's WP:OR to interpret a definition for yourself, and you're right that it's problematic applying new genres to old games. I've been adding citations where I can find them, and removing them where I can't. Following WP:OR and WP:V is protecting useful information, not gatekeeping. (I've even been playing a little loose even where they say "similar to a Metroidvania", or something like that.) You can find a list of reliable/unreliable sources at WP:VGSOURCES, which might help. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I feel that the factors of a game that constitute the Metroidvania category can already be verified by contents in the article body. I don't agree that it should be original research to just put two facts together, any more than it should be original research to e.g. summarize the plot of a movie. With the requirement you're insisting on, the category is being reduced to something like "games that a whitelisted journalist have called a metroidvania", and it will be impossible to apply the label to many relevant older games that have no ongoing commercial prospects and will likely never be discussed in future mainstream media. These old games may have more than enough past coverage to be notable, but there is no reasonable expectation that future journalistic coverage will ever come to exist to resolve a simple question like this. If we agree/verify that a game is a side-scrolling platformer, we agree that it's open-world/non-linear, and we agree that progression through the game is gated by collected utilities/items/abilities, why should applying the definition be gated by waiting for a source that will likely never exist? If there are editors who disagree on the facts, or want to argue that the conditions are not clear enough to apply the label, fine, take it to talk, dig up sources and gather consensus, but I really don't see a good reason to block a straightforward decoding and application of the label. - Rainwarrior (talk) 04:01, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thus far I've reviewed more than 100 articles in the category. Many are sourced, and almost as many are unsourced. I've removed the category where there is nothing in the article to verify it. I've also found sources where I can. If that only leaves a handful of articles where you believe we've lost something, then I think we can address it and figure out a solution. In a few cases you've found sources that I couldn't, and I thank you for doing that.
 * I'm going to keep working through the category. I won't treat it as WP:HOUNDING if you follow my work and see where you can find additional sources. When I'm done with the 250-or-so articles, it's my hope that there are only maybe 10 articles where we will need to discuss further. Yes, every article on Wikipedia is a summary of what reliable sources say. No, I don't that editors can apply multi-factor definitions without WP:OR that could be potentially disputed. (For example, Mario 3 or Mario World aren't metroidvanias, but they are side-scrolling platformers, with non-linearity, and areas stuck behind item-based abilities.) Before the trendiness of the term, we called them action adventure games. But keep track of where you disagree, and we can continue to talk. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:50, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I've not seen the "hounding" article before, but I am definitely not trying to harass you. If an user makes what is essentially the same edit to many pages at once, they have to be treated collectively, so if I'm going to respond with editing I don't see a way to do it except with multiple edits, and I'm sorry if it's come across as personal. I haven't started reviewing any of your other work, just the recent ones I spotted of you removing this category from pages. Anyway, I still disagree on what should constitute original research in this case, and I feel like feel it's playing devil's advocate for a "potential" dispute that doesn't actually exist. MOS:VG refers to Metroidvania as a "standard genre", and I really don't feel it's as nebulous and interpretive as you make it out to be, at least not for the majority of cases. There's always grey area cases, and I do agree we need to trot out the sources where an actual edit dispute has arisen, but most aren't controversial, and we should be able to call a fig a fig without having to hope some miracle of journalism will do it for us. However, I'm not here to edit war, and if I can't change your mind all I can do is hold out for finding a source that satisfies you, I guess. I don't really have enough bandwidth to start reviewing more cases of this if it's gone back much more extensively, but of those remaining in my above list, Citadel feels like a big omission to me. There are quite a few websites categorizing it as a Metroidvania, several with real commentary that shows someone has engaged with and understood the game, but alas nobody from that accepted press list, so far as I could find. - Rainwarrior (talk) 10:35, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean for the essay to sound like I took it that way. I'm actually thankful you're taking a constructive approach. I feel like the sources are out there for most of the grey area cases. I'm still working through the category so let's just keep track of any articles that feel like omissions. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I finished working through the category. Many of them already had sources, and I was able to verify many more. In total, I think I ended with maybe two dozen removals. Take a few days and see if there's any borderline cases. I'm usually pretty good at deep diving for sources. If you are confident that some of these articles still belong in the category, there's a good chance there's a source out there to verify it. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:38, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Suggested refs in Star Control
Are they worth using in the article? Panini! • 🥪 23:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I had a chance to double check. The Matt Chat actually became part of his book Honoring the Code, so I think the best parts of it are already in the article. I've gotten a good look at the Ars Technica interview before too, but I might look again, just because it is two hours long. Thanks again for your help. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:16, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Star Control
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Comments
Hi there Shooterwalker. Since you are very good at copyediting video game articles, I would like to ask if you are able to leave any comments here at my FA nomination for The Longing. It has stalled recently over a few concerns over the prose, and I would greatly appreciate some advice on how I can improve it. Any amount of comments would be appreciated, but I completely understand if you are busy or uninterested. Thanks in advance,  The Night Watch     (talk)   15:06, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Always happy to help when I can find time. We can work on this at the FA page. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Star Control
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Reference you found for Realm of Nauga
Hi, in this AfD you mentioned you found a reference in the book "Playing Nature: Ecology in Video Games" by Alenda Chang. How did you find it? I cannot find anything about this game online, barring some database mentions. Do you have access to the book physically? Thanks, Merko (talk) 22:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't have access to it. I believe there is a preview in google books, and Realm of Nauga is discussed for at least a page, with a few other games. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

July 2023
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Precious anniversary
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FAC
Hi Shooterwalker, I hope you are keeping well. No real reason for messaging, other than that I was reminded of Featured article candidates/Ur-Quan/archive1 in a recent thread and so of the string of quality FACs that followed and I thought I would say hi. As I type this I realise that Ur-Quan came up at Featured article candidates/Raichu/archive1 where the nomination is struggling big time and there seems to be a communication issue. Possibly, if you were so inclined, you may be able "translate" to the nominator[s?] and so help them get the article back at FAC sooner rather than later (or possibly but sadly, not at all). Just a thought. In any event "Hi" and if you felt like nominating a new FAC, that would be most welcome. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi! I'm going to look at this and see if there's a way I can help. I am working on some additional articles as we speak, and I hope to be back at FAC soon. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks; and excellent, I look forward to it. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Superb, thank you. I have copied it and squirrelled it away; I see myself using chunks in similar future situations. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate hearing that it helped, and hopefully it helps the FAC along. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)