User talk:Showers/Archive 1

Meetup in Minneapolis
 Minnesota Meetup Sunday, 2007-10-07, 1:00 p.m. (13:00) Pracna on Main 117 Main SE, Minneapolis, Minnesota Map Please pass this on! RSVP here.  Spam delivered by -Susanlesch 17:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh My Goddess!

 * A goddess descends to your talk page

Hi, I noticed your username appears on this category and would like to invite you to take part in a general improvement drive on all articles relevant to Oh My Goddess! including character articles, episode articles and others. -- Cat chi? 21:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd be glad to help. I assume this is about the recent discussion of making a list of Oh! My Goddess! Characters. I'll have to get my manga out. Showers 20:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This isn't just about that. Episode articles were also mass merged. Fundamentally the articles are in low quality and lack proper sourcing. I would more than welcome manga sourcing. We can start with Belldandy or Lind (Oh My Goddess!). -- Cat chi? 21:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'll get started on Belldandy. Showers 21:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have out of universe sources? Such as interviews and etc? -- Cat chi? 21:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Afraid not. Showers 21:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * English edition of the manga doesn't have such specials? A shame... -- Cat chi? 21:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't remember and I have to dig them out first though. I have a couple of thousand books in many boxes. I have to find them ;) I would consider those as in-universe however as they are published in the book and not by a independant organization such as some anime magazine or whatever.Showers 21:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By in universe we mean story as it appears inside the manga. Out of universe information includes how a particular manga was developed how the author felt or feels how fans received it and etc. -- Cat chi? 21:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The Ranma minor characters lists
Hi. Thanks for the help/back-up with the manga character lists. Is there any chance you could repeat it for the anime characters page, so I'm not arguing by myself? (I have yet to see a solid counter-argument to that it's visual entertainment and as such necessary for reader understanding to use images, but get the link instead of logic) Thanks in advance. Dave 14:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent changes to InuYasha
Hello and Konnichiwa, Showers. I have a question for you regarding a edit done by you yesterday.

Earlier today, I discovered you made an edit yesterday on the talk page correcting spam, it says... But when I looked at the changes, it shows all of my replies on the page deleted, and now the talk page is protected. Was this your doing? If so, I would kindly like to know why- my replies were not spam.

I appologise if this was a false accusation on your part. Please understand that I am a new member, and am still not sure about how to do everything here at Wikipedia. :)

With all due respect, Mizu onna sango15 21:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That was not me. You can go to the disscussion page and see who did with the history page. My edit was a reversion of the spam of user:Kelvin Martinez. He was advertising a scanlation website in the talk pages which is not allowed under Wikipedia rules. Showers 01:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Showers! Once again, I apologise for accusing you... I wish I knew more about how to use wiki! Mizu onna sango15 03:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If you need any help or anything just ask. Here's a handy reference for basic Wikipeda polocies. WP:LOP Showers 01:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I went and took a look. Seems like you posted in the archives by accident and user:JRSpriggs moved your posts to the Inuyasha talk page. You're not supposed to post in the archives. Honest mistake. You are supposed to start a new subject if you want to discuss an old subject from the archives. Hope that helps. If you have any more questions just ask. Showers 01:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * gasp* Ohh... Then what are the archives for? And you're supposed to start a new subject when replying to an old one? I don't quite understand-- How would someone know if you were replying to them or not?

Thanks, Showers! Mizu onna sango15 03:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's correct. You just start a new subject when replying to one of the old archived ones. Archives are simply there to show you what has been dicussed before.Showers 03:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Harem
Please read what Harem (genre) is. The series Ranma ½ is not really a good example of one. Love Hina, on the other hand, is. Inclusively, WP:MOS-MANGA tells us to use the most accurate categories/genres. See Bleach for example.

Regarding this bad faith revert, if I catch you using WP:UNDO on a good faith edit without leaving a proper edit summary again, you will receive a vandalism warning(s). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Tone down on the wikilawyering. WP:GAME Showers 19:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It was discussed in the Ranma 1/2 talk page. If you want to reopen the discussion go ahead. The consensus at the time however was that Ranma 1/2 was harem genre. Showers 19:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Burnsville, Minnesota
Both kevin dixion and david stang are prooved notable. Kevin dixon has direct link to the offical Milb website. David Stang is listed in the offical fcc database. --Shrimpoj 01:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't believe the meet the "Significant coverage" requirment to be notable. My Dad is on the federal Health and Human Services government website but I hardly consider him notable. Showers 01:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well you are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. --Shrimpoj 01:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * An opinion formed using Wikipedia guidelines. WP:NOTE You have not given reliable sources that will prove significant coverage to meet notability guidelines. An opinion is not sufficient. 1 website link per person does not meet those requirements. Showers 01:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

3 Revert Rule
You have already violated the three-edit-revert rule WP:3RR please desist from making any more changes to Burnsville until consensus is reached at the talk page. .:DavuMaya:. 18:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 3 edit revert rule only aplys to edits made in 24 hours. The 3 edits I had done before were done the previous day. 1 was done the next. Showers 21:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Guilt is something that everyone must accept sometimes. Your dedication to pointless notable people is not inspiring.

.:DavuMaya:. 21:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC) Here's your talk: "You are mistaken. I did not violate WP:3RR. It is true I did 4 edits. However 3 of them were done on Nov 8th. 1 was done on Nov 9th. WP:3RR only refers to reversions done within a 24 hour period. I did them on seperaste days. Your dedication to Wikipedia policy is inspiring if misguided in this case. Showers 21:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)" Your comments are rather insulting if not also equally misguided. .:DavuMaya:. 21:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) (cur) (last)  04:43, 9 November 2007 Showers (Talk | contribs) (31,214 bytes) (Undid revision 170259302 by Davidjstang (talk)) (undo)
 * 2) (cur) (last) 02:14, 9 November 2007 Showers (Talk | contribs) (31,214 bytes) (again, see my talk) (undo)
 * 3) (cur) (last) 01:23, 8 November 2007 Showers (Talk | contribs) (31,214 bytes) (See my talk) (undo)
 * 4) (cur) (last) 01:13, 8 November 2007 Showers (Talk | contribs) (31,214 bytes) (Does not meet WP:NOTE guiudelines) # (cur) (last) 00:59, 8 November 2007 Showers (Talk | contribs) (31,214 bytes) (→Notable natives and residents - notability?) (undo)
 * How so? I thought I was complementing you by saying you were inspiring. I was not being sarcastic if that is what you thought. However, I do believe you are misguided by jumping on me because I waited 23 hours instead of 24. The difference in time is negilable. Showers 21:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:3RR Rather, the rule is an "electric fence".[1] Editors may still be blocked even if they have made three or fewer reverts in a 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive. Efforts to game the system, for example by persistently making three reverts each day or three reverts on each of a group of pages, cast an editor in a poor light and may result in blocks.' WP is not a game. .:DavuMaya:. 21:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * How was it disruptive? I have given clear reasons for my edits using Wikipedia policy and was reverted with no reasons given other than must learn to discuss (who made no effort to discuss other than saying "you have your opinion, I have mine") or giving any sources to prove notability. Showers 22:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ........ I'm done talking on this, I'd rather use my energy to build pages up and not quibble over Notable natives. .:DavuMaya:. 22:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Joseph Brant
What source are you using which indicates that Joseph Brant was leader of half of the Indian force at Fort Stanwix as indicated in the American Revolutionary War article? Joseph Brant was only a minor Mohawk war chief. BradMajors (talk) 06:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I reverted your unsourced edit since it directly conflicts with 1) the info you changed, 2) the Joseph Brant article, and 3) the Battle of Oriskany article where he is listed as a commander. Showers (talk) 07:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I apologize. I misread it mean the forces of the Battle of Oriskany, not the forces marching to lay siege to Fort Stanwick. Showers (talk) 07:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

December 2007
One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view A contribution you made to InuYasha appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. My edit removed only one actual real note, calling the Tetsaiga spelling in the dub "incorrect." A source needs to be provided otherwise its just original research.'' Collectonian (talk) 03:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Readding the footnotes is not vandalism. You know that. If you have a problem with them you can bring it up in the talk page. As for sourcing, you are right about that. However, almost the entire article is unsourced and we haven't deleted almost the entirety of the article. If you want to improve the article then I suggest adding some sources. Showers (talk) 04:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * There was no reason to readd them like that. One was incorporated into the article text properly, one was removed (the Sit/Sit Boy seemed excessive but I put it into the article text where it belongs), and the final note was unsourced but also seemed to be NPOV/OR and shouldn't be in the article without sourcing.  Calling a professional company's spelling/translation incorrect requires an actual source, hence my removing that all together.  Collectonian (talk) 04:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agreed with user:88wolfmaster that the notes shouldn't have been removed. Having notes is not against wikipedia policy and if you want to change the style of the article then you should discuss it in the article's talk page first. Having been reverted twice by different editors should have been your first clue. Showers (talk) 05:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Not really. Reverts from two editors who do not have a broad range of editing experience does not tell me anything except that both are fairly new and don't understand the edit. So I tried to explain in my summary. However, I've also long since learned that editors in the anime/manga articles tend to have ignore basic Wikipedia style guides, guidelines, and policies because of their love for the show. That was a minor change to bring the article more inline with MOS. Pre-discussion is not required for simple and necessary clean up. Footnotes are not against policy, but they should also only be used if necessary, much like See Also, as a place to hold stuff until it is incorporated into the article. I incorporated was needed to be incorporated, and dumped the bad item. That is in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Collectonian (talk) 05:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Being reverted repeatedy by different editors makes it a point of discussion since you kept doing it anyway. The Notes do not violate wikipedia policy. Your incorporations do not improve the quality of the article in any way and in fact detract from it in my opinion. The notes provide a neat way of expanding on the specific portions of the text they are attached to. Showers (talk) 05:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The notes are a detraction. If its notable, it is easily incorporated into the text (as I have done), and readers no longer have to hunt down the footnote to see what was important.  They may not violate policy, but that doesn't make them a good idea or appropriate in this context. If the text needs expanding, expand the text.  Footnotes are not for side remarks and commentary, or to hide OR. Collectonian (talk) 05:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You did incorporate them. Poorly. The Kirara pronunciation for example should be there as a note. That section should be a simple summary of the character and its role in inuyasha. Not have half the section taken up on how her name should be pronounced. Same concept for the sit boy bit. They are side remarks and they should stay that way. Like I said, if you dont like it, take it up in the talk page. Perhaps consensus will be reached. Please remember that you are not the sole authority of the Inuyasha article and that Wikipedia is a collabrotive work. Showers (talk) 05:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm...by your own statement, you are right, they should be a simply summary. In truth, both of those notes are more appropriate on the List of characters article and not on the main page at all.  *shrug* The article is in such bad shape as it is, I guess it doesn't really matter anyway. Collectonian (talk) 06:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right. Showers (talk) 06:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Minnesota
Thanks for the comment. We probably need a better phrase. I moved the discussion to Talk:Minnesota. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 12:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Request input, assistance as possible
Showers, I wanted to ask for your thoughts and possible assistance in touching up and expanding the page Other Stuff Exists. Based on your comments in some articles or deletion discussions in which we have both been a part, I believe that you may have a similar viewpoint and be better at explaining the purpose of the page, which is Precedent as it applies to Wikipedia. The essay is in its early form and needs continued expansion (with solid examples). If and when you have a few moments, please take a look at it and let us know what you think or help to build the page up more. Many Thanks! VigilancePrime (talk) 22:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC) :-)

Burnsville
Your flair for intepretation of Wikipedia rules never ceases to amaze me. But I'm here for the Burnsville page again, could I ask kindly that you stop linking redlinks to your seemingly favorite notable baseball players. I already established far back in your edit war that I'll leave the notables in there but don't link them until they have a page. And while you're at it, if they are so notable, I suggest you create a Wiki-page for them. .:DavuMaya:. 20:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I added them to encourage others to create articles for the people who are listed as notable in the article. In fact, I believe they don't meet WP:NOTE guidelines and should be removed. However I was reverted by Davidjstang and Shrimpoj so I deferred and decided to leave it as is, if they are notable then articles should be created. Showers (talk) 20:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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