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Your edits on Rani Mukerji
Please stop re-adding your edits (diff) without proper discussion on the talk page of the Rani Mukherjee article. What problem do you have for the article to be copied into a another language? Wikipedia has no problems with it, and your trivia edit is non-notable. Rani has probably acted with every Bollywood star there currently is and there is no need to list them all in the trivia section. Please discuss your edits on the talk page and explain why you think your edits are a helpful contribution to the article. I have reverted it back to the previous version for now. Ekantik 15:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Lata Mangeshkar
I'm sorry if I accidently removed some of your original text. I am also trying to streamline the article a bit. Perhaps, instead of simply listing each movie she's ever sung in, we should focus on major ones (that won awards, some praise, something that has articles talking about them in particular) and list the rest at the bottom or on a separate discography page. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

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I just added a no source template. Since you uploaded it very recently you probably remember where you got this from. Can you please give the source? Thank you. gren グレン 19:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Rani!
She did have her own episode of Jeena Isi Ka Naam Hai. I watched it. She wore a blue shirt and light blue pants. But I never really found a reference for it on the net. I guess not much was recorded on the net in regards to Bollywood tv shows back in 2000. - shez_15

Response
Hello, you wrote a message on my talk page requesting help regarding User:Shez 15. Yes he can be a bit rude as I have experienced insults from him to. I asked for other editors help such as User:Zora and User:Plumcouch who's judgements I trust. Plumcouch told me to ignore him however should he carry on then report him for personal attacks (if you see my talk page you'll see what I mean). For now I have chosen to ignore him and I think you should too; just don't be bothered by what he says. If you wish to report Shez, then go to an admin and tell him/her that Shez is in violation of the No-personal-attacks-policy which may result in a ban for him. If you need help with anything, don't hesitate and contact me. Best regards. -- Pa7 12:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Table
Look, I don't have time to improve the table. If you want the table, work on it properly. Do include the Manish Malhotra Show and fix the KWK space. Don't just be lazy and work half way and tell us to fix it. You fix it coz u made it. Till then, the previous version is okay. Thanks.

Why do you ask me?
Why are you so dependent on me? I didn't put that show on that section. But yes, it is true. I have not seen the show itself. But I saw an add of it. Kajol has been on the show and so has Rani. I don't know about the rest. Plus, they are his close friends, so I don't see why they wouldn't be on the show. If you go on Manish Malhotra's page, it says in the intro that he has a talk show which he started in 2005. It's not that popular I guess, coz I saw the add on Tv Asia, a channel which I rarely watch. As said, since it's not popular, it doesn't have a source on the net. But maybe if you go to India, you might know about it. And I am not planning on to going to India. Plus why would I or anybody else lie for a tv show. That's retarded. In any case, more than half of wikipedia's pages are unsourced. That doesn't mean wikipedia officials are gonna delete them. And if you really wanna delete stuff from pages, I say just let the administrators take charge of it. - shez_15

Response
Hello. Yes I deleted it because there were no sources but if there are references then I won't touch it. The awards look good, they look more organised. -- Pa7 17:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes you can use YouTube as long as you don't include it in the external link sections. -- Pa7 17:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Career facts
Yes Mukherjee's page is full of admiration but Wikipedia MUST STAY NEUTRAL. I don't edit like Shez 15. See the discussion page on Preity Zinta's article and BTW the new career facts were fully referenced and had shown some expansion. Incorporate your edits into the section rather then making it exactly like Rani Mukherjee's page. -- Pa7 22:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I really don't give a damn about what Shez thinks of me or my edits. I choose to edit whatever page I like and find interesting. Why don't you incorporate the sentences, that way the page won't look exactly like Mukherjee's. -- Pa7 22:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You act as if I know Zinta! To make useful facts is not hurting her page. KKPK was a disaster, SN was a hit, Jaan-E-Mann flopped, KANK was a super-hit. We can't say she got brilliant reviews for every single film and that she was the best in the film blah blah blah. Im trying to make the page less like Rani Mukherjee's page, which is honest and well sourced. I am willing to get someone from Wiki Indian Cinema Project to review the career section if I need to. -- Pa7 22:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please try to rewrite it if you have a new idea. That's exactly what I did. You keep on reverting it. I don't get it. -- Pa7 22:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, OK! Im used to having my edits criticised by now, you re-write I'll see what I think. I have one request though, could you please keep the sentence: Zinta was welcomed with similar success the following year in 2003 because it summarises her success in 2002 as well as 2003. I will look at it tomorrow. -- Pa7 22:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Manisha Koirala
Your edit seems to add an extra column to the table--which is why I removed the extra row I had removed the || because they added an extra column (I knew it was wrong)... but, I figured out what the problem was... just some extra columns on the line below. Thanks for forcing me to figure out what was actually wrong rather than my cheap work around. gren グレン 04:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry abt earlier
I think i didnt explain what i wanted to say. You got the wrong message! I meant it's not okay to have a section for Choto Ka Funda Awards since they are not popular. MTV Awards are popular. But if the quantity is more than one award, then a section is justified to make the others awards not so many. I hope you get what I'm saying but do whatever you want after. I know Sports World are not important awards. But Rani has three of them. So it's stupid to put them in other awards. Thanks. - shez_15

Thanks for listening!
Wow! I think you're really understandable. And I'm so sorry about my conduct from before. I just thought you were one of the many pa_7 and zora who constantly used to revert my edits and even after three months of building a page, they used to revert it back to what it was. And I used to get so mad because I feel pages and articles need to be updated from time to time. You can't keep them in the same tone. But anyway, they've been acting nice these days. I know Rani's page is not the way I wanted it to be but it's okay to settle somewhere. I think you're really nice. And I think we can work as a good team without fighting. So I'll re-introduce myself to you! My name is Shehzad. I live in Vancouver and I'm going to university this summer. Anyhow, I don't think I'll be much help to you because you are just great at wikipedia. My time is up. But I do check on updates from time to time. And no, I don't know if Rani won that award. I'll help you on the weekend. So, do you have any other new ideas as to how to improve both Zinta's and Mukerji's pages? By adding some new section? I think we'll have to browse through some Hollywood actress' pages. The really detailed ones like Lindsay Lohan and see what can be done. I just don't think Bollywood actors' pages are that good. They are so brief. And they should be so much more filled with information compared to Hollywood actors who do two films per year whereas Bollywood people just work on films and films. Although, these days, the trend is changing. Do let me know if we can add two more photos on the pages of Preity and Rani. I think as actors, they can look so different from time to time, that there should be at least three photos showing different looks and sporting different events. I'm out but keep up the good work! - shez_15

I know!
I know. I used to work on a lot of Bollywood pages. But then, after some time, the pages got reverted due to some other fan problems and then I stopped. I mainly worked on Bipasha Basu, Karisma Kapoor, Kareena Kapoor, Abhishek Bachchan, Amisha Patel, Aishwarya Rai, Salman Khan, John Abraham and various other actors. But that was a year ago. Now, I do minor edit sometimes related to grammar mistakes. I made the award page for Zee Cine Awards but then that got deleted for some reason. But I think, two days ago, someone made a new page on it. I just update filmography and awards sometime on other pages. But over time, I realized, I'm no professional, so I just focused on one page: Rani Mukerji. But it's fun to help around if I can when I find the time. So ask me anything of my level if you want me to help with something. Right now, I'll just update a few people's filmographies. - shez_15

Response
Hi. I did a check of the page you created, it's fine, imdb and award links are properly done. Good job! The Bollywood industry release so many movies so it's good to get rid of all those red links. Well done. -- Pa7 19:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

No offence
Hey I didn't mean any offence to you. By the way Saif came before Preity on the show. I don't have the reference for it right now since youtube has removed but I'll see about that. I remember Preity came after because she sat on the other end. And cast order is important. I put Amitabh Bachchan at the end to give importance as filmmakers usually do. Like in Umrao Jaan, they put and Abhishek Bachchan after Divvya Dutta and all. Just to give importance, they couldn't put him before Ash since she was the lead and he had a small role. Just like that, Amitabh had a small role in the movie but just to give importance I put him in the end with 'and'. Anyhow, do whatever you like. I just think KWK cast should be written as they appeared so as to give no biases. And lastly, go on imdb and check trivia, it says Rani was paid 4 crore for Baabul. And I heard it on the news channels too when it did happen, and they stated she was the highest paid now. 1.5 crore, what you're talking about is old news. She was paid that much money for Veer-Zaara. A lot has happened in her career since then. Black, in particular, skyrocketed her price. But just to show you respect, I won't put it in the intro but it is in trivia with references. Now, if you bring some actress with a 5 crore deal, then I can say she is one of the highest, till then she is the highest. No gossip only facts. I hope that's cleared because I would never lie just to promote an actress. Thanks. - shez_15

...cont. Actually I got the reference: http://www.musicnmovies.com/html/koffee_with_karan_episodes_2.php

But Saif and Preity's episode doesn't work. You try it. Maybe download it instead of watch online. But I know for a fact that Saif came before Preity. Talk to you later.

Of course!
I know for a fact that Ash makes more renumeration than any other actress in town because of her endorsements and a few Hollywood films. But it is impossible for anyone to know how much she makes per year or for that case, anyone to know about any actress' revenue per year. But how highest paid actor works for Hollywood is when people earn a certain amount of money for a movie per say. Julia Roberts became the highest paid when she signed a film for 20 million $ for Erin Brockowich and then Cameron Diaz joined the 20 million $ club. Both were considered highest paid but it is to be noted that Jennifer Lopez made more in a year than any other actress due to her endorsements and music albums and movies and her fashion line company. But still she is not considered highest paid. Julia is. So highest paid is relevant to the highest paid as per a particular movie. And if a fact proves Preity or Ash got more than 4 crore for this particular movie, then they are highest paid. Plus, apunkachoice is just an article. I am talking about imdb.com which says 4 crore. I believe imdb doesn't lie bcoz it also provides earnings for Tom Cruise which are accurate coz I saw it on tv too. Boxofficeindia.com to me is biased and not really accurate. Because it says Kareena was the top actress for the years 2001 and 2002 whereas we all know those years belong to Ash with Devdas and her big endorsements. Kareena is considered a star but we all know she has had the biggest flops as discussed on koffee with karan and still no big big hit yet. So I totally am against that site. We don't even know how they calculate revenues for movies. It states Badal as the fifth biggest earner in 2000 whereas Badal was a big flop. Anyway, as for KWK, do whatever. I don't care if Preity is b4 saif. I just wanted them in order. And if you think she came before Saif, then put it that way. Thanks for listening. I hope you understood what I just said. - shez_15

I guess you're right in a way
But I'm entitled to my opinion and I go by it. I am not forcing you to agree with me but I disagree with you. Because on KWK, Karan said that Rani was doing B-grade films like Bicchoo and Badal, which in no way means, they were hits. Again, prove me why Kareena had the biggest hits in 2001 and 2002? She was just a new-comer. Kajol had K3G. And Ash had Devdas in 2002. So, I say that site is biased. It manipulates numbers or doesn't get details from some places. PLz, Salaam Namaste was no big hit in India bcoz of the concept. It was the biggest hit overseas that's all. Like KANK, which was the biggest hit overseas but very poor in India. Anyhow, I don't wanna argue. The fact that Jaan-e-mann had a bigger budget doesn't mean it gives the highest pay to its actors. Like Hero in 2003 had the highest budget ever, that doesn't mean Sunny and Preity were paid the highest amounts. All the money mostly goes into special effects and for shooting locations and costs. And you do agree that Rani is the bigger star today then why would she charge less than Preity? Doesn't make sense. And again, I do believe Preity's career is almost over. She perhaps only has two more years at the maximum b4 she gets married. And I think if she leaves, she's gonna leave forever. Because she always says in her interviews, she's not here to stay, she wants a married life one day and then just leave it that way. But Rani always says she can't stay away from acting and even when she marries maybe 5 years from now, she will come back after giving birth to a child. Again, once you find a source stating more than 4 crore for a particular movie, then I can change the facts. But I know imdb is the most reliable source when it comes to movies. The cast on wikipedia is listed according to it. Even though Veer-Zaara was a hit, Rani gets more credit since her role was more important and hence, her name came before Preity in the movie credits if you see it again. Plus, she had Hum Tum. Two hits. While Preity had two of the year's biggest flops: Dil Ne Jise Apna Kaha and Khullam Khulla Pyaar Karen. Now boxofficeindia just didn't want to switch Rani to No.1 because it wanted the top slot to remain Preity so there was consistency. And again, Bunty Aur Babli was the biggest hit of the year next year as said on Zee Cine Awards but the site still said No Entry was it. While Salaam Namaste didn't even came close. Still, the site didn't change places. Now the numbers as you said were how the site functions, then when Rani grossed more money at the boxoffice in 2004 and in 2005, why wasn't she placed on top. Now is that not biased or what? We don't even know who owns the site. It's not a reputed company like Filmfare which puts Rani No.1 for good reasons. Because most of these bollywood websites are very favorable to some people. You'll understand that one day if not now. But for wikipedia, boxofficeindia.com provides close numbers. That's all. It doesn't know who grossed more money. Again, on Preity's success chart, there is no mention of Tamil films she did which were flops. So, if you take them into account, she has a lower success ratio. Now, let's not argue and just keep this at this. - shez_15

Sorry!
But when we argue, no one can be polite. But I am pretty polite here. And secondly plz get the facts straight. If you say boxofficeindia is the best source, then why is Salaam Namaste not even a hit but a semi-hit and at number 35, more than 10 spots below Bunty Aur Babli in terms of earnings: And if you look in down the year, it's not even amongst the top five grossers of the year. So plz stop speculating. I know you're a fan. But I never go wrong about facts at least. And why is Kareena No.1 for the years 2001-2002. You never answered that. And lastly, Ash was No.1 in 2003 because of her last year biggest hit ever back then Devdas and her international acclaim in TIMES Magazine and her being judge in Cannes and her signing up with Loreal and Hollywood movies. Plz neither Preity or Rani can top that. So according to Filmfare ASH was No.1. And why would the most prestigious event of the year, the Filmfare Awards promote their magazine this year so much so that they put posters of it on the stage and the red carpet. Why would they give a Power Award each year for the person who tops Filmfare power list. I'm sorry to say but it's not gossip but a real hard matter pondered over before a list comes up. Boxofficeindia is an internet site like million others which may not even have official sources from so many places. I don't want to argue more. I'll stop it here. But shahid, you have to understand that today the Filmfare list is the most fair and prestigious list in Bollywood, a lot more than any hoca-pocus site. Finally, I don't know why you think it's the mean salary that is looked for but that's stupid coz an actor's pay cheque is very personal and no one can find out his/her earnings for a lot of films but sometimes the info leaks out for some movies such in the case of Baabul. And if some1 had to prove that she was not the highest paid, then they would've said Preity charged 5 crores for Jaanemann. Anyhow, in Hollywood, highest paid is referred to the biggest amount paid to an actor for a particular movie. And that's what we're following as a rule. Plz no more arguments. - shez_15

cont..

One more thing
Shahid, don't do things in rush. Plz read the dates before you edit. They are dated for November and July 2006. All before Baabul. And what's wrong with imdb? You think they lie? Stop attacking Rani. If you like her so much, you wouldn't do that. Work on the other pages until you cool off. Don't hasten things and destroy facts. Another thing: the 35 crore deal with hrithik roshan was a rumour as I heard on Headlines Today News just yesterday. So these internet sources are so unreliable. All gossip. Only official polls by Filmfare and the biggest data source for movies, imdb, are main sites to look up to. That's all. -shez_15

Ok
Well, apunkachoice is not the official reference, it's just there as an article. And the fact that imdb has a source for Rani means she must be more in demand. But as I said again, in Bollywood sources vary. And hey, I found a better box office site which is under the article Bollywood on wikipedia:. And it also says that Bunty Aur Babli was the top grosser of 2005 as stated by Mr. Shahrukh Khan too: I also thought No Entry was for a while but I guess the movie picked up with adjusted inflation. Because in 2005, at the Zee Cine, they said No Entry was the biggest but I guess they corrected that in 2006 when SRK said Bunty Aur Babli was. Anyhow, I'm just saying until there is another bigger amount than 4 crore, then you can say highest paid for Ash or Preity. But imdb doesn't lie. And I'll let Rani be highest paid as for now. And you can put Preity one of the highest paid. You don't have to compare to Ash or put second highest. Thanks. - shez_15

Excuse me
Excuse me, but what the hell do you think you are doing? You completely removed the terms sadits, sadistic personality disorder, sadism from Ek hasina Thi. You probably did not understand the movie. Nor I think you are familiar with non-sexual sadism.

In any case what you did was not right. If you disagree with something post your message on the discussion page before actually making any edits.

You are a "young adult" who thinks he understands almost everything in this world. Borrow a book from a medical library and try to learn as much as possible about Sadistic personality disorder. Then again see the movie.

I request you to restore the article to its original shape. Failure to do so will be reported to the admin in 7 days time. Thank you.

Hey Shshssh,

Calm down. I haven't yet reported you, so there is no reason for you to shout. See, people who suffer from SPD do not stab or murder or rape people. Rather they use non-violent, non-sexual means to "dominate" their victim. Follow the external link at Ptypes. Study the symtomps of SPD. Except for the first symptom all will match with Urmila's character.

I am a psychriatist and we all in the mental health community liked this RGV movie. It was misinterpreted in the media.

Wikipedia is about setting a standard. A standard far higher than other encyclopedias. That should be our effort.

Again if you disagree with me, post in the "discussion" page before actually removing something. Your opinion is important will be discussed with passion by other users.

BB.

Thanks!
I know references are so hard to find on the net whereas you hear about everything on television. But I guess since Baabul is recent, it's only on imdb. But I truly haven't seen anything higher than 4 crore b4 for an actress. 1 crore was the highest when Sridevi was at the top. Then two crore for Kareena and Ash. But 4 crore is huge, so I think it must be the highest. But we'll find something once a new list comes up this year with who's highest paid and all. But thanks for your understanding and help. By the way, I love what you did with Preity's page. With all the nominations and all. Rani has too many. So I thought I'm not putting all. I'll just put it for Filmfare. Plus, it's so hard to find nominations for the not-so-popular awards which have no official sites. Bollywood better produce more official sites. I can't believe Rani hasn't put one up. I guess she's not much of an Internet fan. Thanks again. - shez_15

Another thing
> cont. I just have one more thing to say. On Preity's intro, you can't put she is the most successful at the box office because she has earned less money than Kajol at the b.o. as of now. But what you can say is that she has the highest number of the top grossing films. And don't use the word "successful" again and again since it makes it repetitive and biased to the reader. I'll fix it and make it more appealing. I hope you like it. Again, I'm not trying to say she's not good. Just read how I put it. And then maybe, you can add other things later. - shez_15

Question?
Are we allowed to put a youtube video as a reference? Coz most of them have copyright issues. And I did it twice but pa_7 removed them. I guess I'll try once more time because I really want to add this one video. As long as there are not a lot, I guess there's nothing wrong with one. What do you say? - shez_15

It's ok
It's okay. I don't mind your edits. It's just that whatever I put it in there is true. I only had one reference which I did put in the end. Unless you want me to put five references after each sentence which is ridiculous since one is enough for the whole paragraph. Go on the reference and it's the second article. Plus, for a long time, Biyar Phool was put on wikipedia but then I removed it since it wasn't important. Yet, now I realize my opinion doesn't matter. Because it doesn't change the fact that she did a cameo in the movie. And maybe that's why she's good in acting because her father taught her a lot as a child. Thanks. - shez_15

I know
You're right. I shouldn't put she was talented. But I thought why would he recommend her if she wasn't good. I don't know what to replace it with. But you're right I should just leave it recommended as on Kuch Kuch Hota Hai Trivia Section on wikipedia. I'll change it now. It's good we're talking like this. Another thing: try to remove those references on filmography once a page has been made on wikipedia because people can collect all the information from that very page. The reference is then useless. Because we don't want a clutter of references. They're just there to validate a fact and provide a support statement for the particular written description on wikipedia. So I removed them from Preity's filmography. I didn't touch Last Lear because it had three. So, I took one out. But do it yourself. I don't want to make you angry. Though, there is no reason to be. And I also fixed her filmfare host link, you had the same reference number 35 for both the heat concert and the filmfare hosting one. You left heat concert as the reference name for both. Do check if the references work once you put them on there just to make sure. I'll talk to you later. - shez_15

cont. Shahid, this Roniron wants trivia to be shorter. I worked on it on Rani's page but you should do Preity's page soon before they don't allow any of it to be in the article.

Don't think wrong!
I think my edits might have came across as bad. I intended only to make Zinta's article shorter since it was reaching 51 kilobytes, which does not follow wikipedia's rules. Since most of the sentences were all praise, it was better to remove some of it as it got repetitive and just leave the facts alone. Anyhow, now it's 46 kb, better than before. It's Rani's page that is 49 kb now. And it's reaching its limit soon just like Shilpa Shetty's page. But there's no repetition of facts on the page. So I don't know what to delete. But I guess I can crop it when it actually does reach the maximum weight. Well, I just wanted you to go and check Shilpa's page and read the discretion on why it's wrong to have more than 50kb. By the way, I observed an error in facts on Zinta's page. She was #2 on Filmfare List for 2003 and 2004. Then, Ash was No.2 in 2005. I have the magazine at home too. She was #3 on the latter. And I'm not sure about 2006 but I left it at No.3. But chances are she was No.4 since Kajol put her sabbatical to rest and did a film which did better than KANK. You should check the 2006 list. I still haven't. I only know Rani was No.1 on it due to the ref. on her page which only mentions her and no one else. Thanks for listening. -shez_15

Hey, Shshshsh,

hey, good point. As far as I know no promotional images are allowed in the actor's box. However, to illustrate a critical comment on the movie they are taken from, is acceptable. I'll move Dixit's pic down.

Regards, -- Plum couch Talk2Me 14:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
Hello, Shshshsh, if you don't know how to write/add certain thinks or find out if stuff is allowed or not, I'd recommend to visit featured articles (such as Diane Keaton's for example). She hasn't got a free picture in her actor's box, but plenty of fair use images scattered around the article. Maybe this helps you. Best regards, -- Plum couch Talk2Me 14:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

London Dreams
Hello, Shahid, sorry for messing up the cast listing over at London Dreams. I just deleted all the persons that, according to IndiaFM, aren't in the movie and after deletion, Mukerji happened to end up were you found her. Didn't realize is such a big deal since the movie hasn't been released and anything. Next time, I try to keep that in mind. Best regards, -- Plum couch Talk2Me 20:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Preity Zinta
Hello, Shahid,

first of all: I think it's a good idea to create sub-sections. Makes the article more readable. As headers ... what do you think of "Other appearances" or "Public appearances". Best regards, -- Plum couch Talk2Me 21:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah!
Yeah, well the article was quite repetitive. Plus, I don't think every film deserves to be in the career section. Dil Hai Tumhare, Chori Chori Chupke Chupke and Mission Kashmir were all average and two of them even flops. It's just a waste of the reader's time to read the whole paragraph on Dil Hai Tumhara before. But now you changed it. Good. And I don't think Colbert Report is relevant, since they are way more popular than a stupid US television show. It just shows how much we give importance to Hollywood. And I think the standard should be changed where Hollywood should look up to Bollywood. And not Hollywood deciding this actor is popular than this one. That's why removed the Colbert Report from Rani's page. And yeah, film references in filmography should me looked after and transfered to the film's page once it is titled on wikipedia. And thanks for your edits on Rani's page! - shez_15

I'll tell you
Well you can keep those years. Maybe I'll put it up for Rani too but not now. I just wanted to say that Preity was the right person at the right place at the right time. She only got fame because of two hits in a row. Why? Because she was a close friend of Hrithik and her wife. So they signed her for the movie since she also fit the role. But the role was not at all a major part of the movie. The film belonged to Hrithik mainly. But she got popularity because of Kal Ho Naa Ho coming up next. She was lucky because Kareena didn't do the movie. It had nothing to do with 2002. I'm not saying Preity was talented. A lot of people are talented in the industry but they just don't get breaks or the timing is wrong. You need luck, hard work and talent to make it big. That's why they say success is a combination where luck meets opportunity. The same implied to Rani. She was not doing so well until Saathiya came by. And why did it come along? Because Yash Chopra saw something in her and he gave her a break in MDK but the film only did well overseas and not in India. The same year, Saathiya also happened which apparently did well. With actors, you never know what film does well all of a sudden. It has nothing to do with what kind of films they did before success happened. One day, they're big, the next day, someone else is. After Rani and Preity, it's going to be Kareena and Priyanka. I must say Preity and Rani's time is coming up to get married soon. The following two years are very crucial for them which will decide what their peak years will be. I think for Preity 2003 was it. But you never know, there can be another big year ahead. Anyway, this was very unrelated. I just wanted to talk about it. Maybe you think differently. But it is a universal fact that whatever goes up must come down one day or another. I just hope Rani and Preity make the most out of the following years. Though, I know Rani will be working even after marriage. I'm not so sure about Preity. But even then, these current years are the highlight of Rani's career. Now, not every actress can beat Madhuri's record and become a legend. But for now, I'm working on Rani's page because I like her and I want everything about her life and career depicted fairly. Though, it's impossible. Changing topics. What do you think about Jahnvi Kapoor? Do you think she's a fake and pulling a publicity stunt to get fame out of Ash-Abhishek marriage? By the way, I only put average, because flops is unheard of by the english-speaking people abroad. But didn't do well is ok with me. And MDK may be the third biggest grosser of the year, but the fact doesn't change that now when you look at it, it isn't considered popular. Kaho Naa Pyar Hai and Mohabbatein were really the hit movies of that year. No one cared about Mission Kashmir. Just like Badal. It may be one of the highest grosser, yet now when they were talking about it on koffee with karan, it was considered a b-grade movie and commercial mistake as per Rani herself and Karan. So, I've only put it there because you said it was a hit when it is not. - shez_15

IMDb & stuff
Hello, Shahid, I think you can count a cameo as first step towards the screen - Matt Damon's one-liner in Mystic Pizza is mentioned, as well as Hrithik Roshan's mini appearance in one of his father's films, along with Clark Gable's work as an extra and KaDee Strickland's two liner in Sixth Sense. Lots of featured articles have paragraphs with year titles (e.g. Angelina Jolie or Uma Thurman) I think, it's easier to follow through with actors who have such an extensive career already, like Rani Mukherjee, Preity Zinta or Shahrukh Khan. Furthermore, I think we have to sort out the references given in the article. Some of them are from gossip sites and, according to WP's policy or reliable sources, therefore not reliable. I'm suggesting to remove Apkunchoice, NowRunning, PlanetBollywood and YouTube, as the YouTube video was not uploaded by the copyright holder of the media material itself and is in violation of copyright. As for IMDb: I'm afraid it can no longer serve as a reliable source: Users of the site can add their own information (resulting in Shahrukh Khan having a part in London Dreams until it was removed last Tuesday) and missing out movies that are already in primary filming (like Om Shanti Om). I'm not saying that we should use IMDb at all, but I think it's wise to compile information on movies from various sources. As for the headers over at Mukherjee's article - we could get a Third Opinion in it here. What do you think?

Best regards, -- Plum couch Talk2Me 13:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Rani Mukherjee
Hello, Shahid, do we know for sure that she wasn't in "Biyar Pool"? I mean, if we don't know that, if no-one has seen the movie and if Mukherjee herself says her first movie was "RKAB", then I strongly suggest we remove it alltogether. However, if she *was* in that movie, even as a cameo appearance, it's her first step in what would become her job, finally. So I'd list it under "beginning of her career". As with IMDb: if information there isn't precise - no matter if they write "Since this project is categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change; some data could be removed completely." or not, we cannot fully rely on it (they are not *that* precise when it comes to non-American movies). Therefore, I suggest, if IMDb writes something, we check at least one, better: two, other sources to verify the fact. I'd recommenend IndiaFM.com, as they always seem to be very up-to-date to recent, non-released projects. Best regards, -- Plum couch Talk2Me 15:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Preity Zinta
Hello, Shahid,

first of all: I never get angry. Really.

About Preity Zinta: I posted stuff I'm unhappy with on the discussion site. Please contribute in order to prevent an edit war. Feel free to engage other users and admins. It's important to get as much oppinions on it as possible.

Best regards, -- Plum couch Talk2Me 19:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok!
I only directed Xcentaur and Ekantik towards Preity's page simply because Rani and Preity's pages are identical since everything from Rani's page has been copied to Preity's. So, I just thought it wasn't fair they were all after Rani while I was editing it properly and then I was arguing with them and wasting time. So I thought I should direct them to a similar page so everything is fair. Anyhow, I don't hate Preity, it's just I've been frustrated with her page since the beginning because everything from A-Z was copied exactly from Rani's page. I mean I did the whole work on Rani's page since the last three years and it was unfair to have everything copied and pasted on Zinta's article. Anyhow, now it looks different but still the sentences are so much similar. Even Kareena's page right now is all word to word copied from Rani's article. I don't know why people can't put in their effort and do everything in a different style. Moving on, I wasn't angry at you when I was talking about Rani and Preity in my last discussion with you. I was just putting my thoughts altogether and talking to you who apparently has similar interests. Again, we don't need to discuss on them if you don't want to. Lastly, you said you're a fan of Preity and you like Rani. Why aren't you her fan if you like the actress? That's weird. And you know I'm tired of putting references. They are so pointless for the areas where Xcentaur put citation needed. I don't need to prove that she worked six times with Shahrukh. It's already there in the filmography. How stupid is he? Don't you think? By the way, it's so strange that Shahrukh, Hrithik & Rani were all not invited to the wedding. Ash may not talk to Shahrukh & Rani but they are close friends of Abhi. And Hrithik is a dear friend to Abhi and Ash is also working with him on Jodha Akbar. Why wouldn't they invite him? Is it because of the kiss in Dhoom 2. I must say the Bachchans are very conservative and superstitious. - shez_15

I know
I hope they improve the pages rather than delete facts and summarize. I know you never copied from Rani's page. Now, the page looks totally different. But at the beginning, whatever section I used to add to the page, there used to be the same section and same wording on Preity's page the next day. I know it's good those users were improving the page but they were copying my words and my ideas. So, I felt angry. You know, just like in the present case, User 80.230.114.245 just put this comment in the edit history page of Preity: (Sorry?! Rani Mukherjee can have it and Preity cannot?) Like I don't understand why the two actresses need to be competed. They're both good on their own level. Like as if the two pages are competing. Both pages should look different and talk differently since their career graphs are different. They're not the same. But still people like 80.230.114.245 feel differently. These kinds of users think if whatever is on Rani's page should be on Preity's page. If it's not there, it means Rani is looking better in front of the readers. What stupidity? Don't you think? Anyway, you know why they didn't call Shahrukh to the wedding, merely because he fired Ash from the shooting of Chalte Chalte and hence, they've never signed on any films together post that incident. Ash's career was almost over but she was lucky she found the media's attention at Cannes and in Hollywood. In an interview in Filmfare Magazine, I think in October 2004, she even mentionned: despite being rejected by the King of Bollywood, I have survived in this dog-eat-dog industry. I don't know the exact wording but it was something like this. She used some harsh word instead of rejected. Plus, Rani and Ash were friends since their world tour in 1999 when they got to know each other. But post-Chalte Chalte as said by Rani herself on Koffee with Karan Season 1, they never interacted after that. Ash must've thought she stole her film whereas she was the original choice as said by Shahrukh and on Chalte Chalte's wikipedia page. Look under trivia. It's so stupid that for such a small thing like this, Ash stopped talking to her. I guess that's why she wasn't invited. But it's so sad that she got bummed by Abhishek, they are close friends even now. He should've at least made an attempt and then maybe, at the wedding Ash and Rani could've patch up just like Salman and Shahrukh did on Farrah Khan's wedding. Well, I don't know what's the problem of Xcentaur. He or she seems pretty angry over the article's arrangement for no apparent reason. I'm just not arguing anymore. I say do whatever with Rani's page. By the way, I didn't like Ash's wedding dress one bit. But Preity was sure as well looking great at the Sangeet. - shez_15

User talk:Gharonda
Hello. Please note that your warning on User talk:Gharonda was inappropriate. You should never, ever threaten to vandalise an article in reaction to the vandalism of others. If you do follow up on that, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. The correct thing to do is to warn the vandal and then to report them to WP:AIV if they persist. Thanks for your understanding, Sandstein 12:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah!
I know. The Zee Cine Awards were really boring. No one came. And the people who did come were all backstage. Ash and Abhi only sat in the audience after their performance which was in the end. We only got to see Shahrukh and Salman. Anyway, I don’t know what’s wrong with the users by putting dates. It doesn’t make sense to put 1992 as the year when she began her career since working on one film for one day for a five minutes shot doesn’t make her an actress who has started her career. Again, Rani considers Raja Ki Ayegi Barat as her first movie as she claimed in Filmfare Magazine in 2006 that she has slogged for ten long years. NOT 14. Plus, why don’t we put Hrithik’s and Urmila’s cameos as child artists in the 1980’s as their first movies. But I still believe Kaho Naa Pyar Hai is Hrithik’s first movie. In any case, imdb doesn’t even acknowledge Biyar Phool. Hardly anyone knows about it except a few since it was a low-budgeted Bengali film. It’s only there because it’s a fact which has been referenced. That’s all. And that’s why I want to put it in early life to show that Rani’s dad directed her before anyone else and taught her. It’s just there to prove she comes from a filmi background and their family friend, Salim Akhtar made her enter the industry. It’s background information if not family background. In any case, we can put it in Early life section. But to put it in career is idiotic. By the way, I hope they don’t delete all the awards. It’s just biographical material. Why should it be deleted? Plus, it’s not like Hollywood where only Oscars are worshipped. In Bollywood, people worship award ceremonies. It’s a form of entertainment and since films are put on wikipedia then so should awards. I could care less about nominations. But awards are integral to the actor’s work. – shez_15

I see
I don't know if the film does exist. But I frankly don't care. Though, it would be sad if it does exist and we don't acknowledge it. But on the other hand, Xc will put it in the career section and date it from 1992. So stupid. Let's hope it doesn't exist after all then. As for nominations, I'm not going into history and looking for Rani's nominations for every single award ceremony. They'll be millions. I just think Filmfare nominations are enough because in Bollywood, every year a new award ceremony is created and it's so hard to keep track of all the nominations. Wins are easy to be known since there are references for them. I'm just leaving it to Xc to do as he/she wishes. Thanks for your help though. - shez_15

Hey!
Hey! I just fixed Preity's references. They were all cluttered because you write to much on the space for work. I shortened Preity Zinta to Preity for the most to reduce the gap in references at the end of the page. Now, if you look down, they will look very organized. So what are you working on? - shez_15

Rani-Pritz
I know they're not mean to each other in public or when they meet each other personally. But there is something there. Rani even claimed on Koffee with Karan that Preity talks too much in a derogatory way. And as they both said, they are not good friends, it's just whenever they meet, they meet like everyone else would do. The thing is if they've spent so much time together while shooting, then why aren't they good friends? It's psychology. Two competitive females in the same field can never be great friends. They can pretend or they can say bye bye to rumours but there is something there. And Shahid, they don't put Rani's name before Preity only because she's two years senior. It's merely because she has a more notable role like in KANK and Veer-Zaara. Preity just had to look pretty in KANK and just do her small role as written by one critic. The critic quoted: "what a waste of Preity's talent." Even in HDJPK, she was a coma patient, something different. And in Veer-Zaara, she played the most daring lawyer based on a real-life person, Asma Jahangir who fights for women in Pakistan. I know Asma Jahangir through my sister who is best friends with her daughter. She is the most reputed lawyer in Pakistan and yesterday, she was on CNN. So, yes, Rani played a tougher role and Yash Chopra himself said no one could pull off that role and that's why he considered her. Preity just had to dance around the trees and most of her parts in the movie consist of songs. There were only two places in the movie where she actually acted. Yes in CCCC, she did have an important role as a prostitute but Rani was then regarded more popular than Preity. If they put her name before Preity only because she's senior, then why don't they put AB Jr.'s name after Rani. Rani is four years senior than him. Leaving male co-stars alone, why didn't they put Sonali Bendre's name before Rani in Chori Chori. Sonali is two years senior to Rani. Why didn't they put Manisha Koirala's name before Rani in Calcutta Mail, Manisha is seven years senior to Rani. It's simply because Rani had a more important role in all the movies with her female co-stars. --shez 06:07, 24 April 2007

hey there
Hi!

Your recent edit to Rani Mukherjee - this. Its great work you're doing.

Just dropped by to reply to your posts on the article talk page. Looking forward to your replies there,

Regards, xC | ☎  19:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

POV
Shahid, that's all POV when you say Rani is jealous. We can never know. And wahtever you are saying is all POV. Though it can be true but it can't be proven who was more notable in Veer-Zaara. Though, I always heard Rani's performance being praised everywhere, not one person said Preity was excellent in the movie. And what did you count her 45 minutes? Whatever the time, she had presence, Preity did not. Anyhow, I don't want to discuss this. Because it's all POV. But to be honest and to get the facts straight, Rani became more popular before Preity did. Her song Aati Kya Khandala is what made her. People recognized her from it and with KKHH, she was the second most successful actress of that year whereas Preity was #5. Don't get the facts wrong. "I was travelling abroad and in very much places in the world Preity is the biggest Indian star." Plz, Ash is the most recognized face abroad, not Preity. And I don't see arguing anyway when Preity herself said it on KWK that Rani is the best actress of their generation. So when Preity herself thinks Rani is better than her, then that's the end of it.

Moving on, she was offered Manisha's role as was heard in a 'Current Bollywood' Interview with Shahrukh Khan when he was talking about his heroines. And he said that Rani was even asked to do Manisha's role in Dil Se, which would've made Rani even bigger but at that time, she was busy with Ghulam and Mehndi which she had already given dates too. And even if it was another role, it would be the one of Preity which was a 20-minute role. So, I don't see why she wouldn't have two days off to fulfill that requirement. In any case, Mani Ratnam likes new faces and that's why he gave Preity a chance when she was new and it was her first film. But as you know, not every single trivial matter is found on the internet. If you can contact Mani, Shahrukh or Rani somehow, then you'll know. However, here's a start, you might find something in this reference but it's long and I hate reading. But if it's not in here, then I don't think there is a reference on the internet which specifically says she was offered the lead. Now Rani said she was offered Dil Se but she couldn't do it. Why would she say she was offered Dil Se if it wasn't the lead? . As for awards on the page, I don't know. Do whatever. Leave it to Xc. I just don't want complications. Let's just edit and write. That's all I'm here for. Thanks for your work! So what are you doing now? - shez_15