User talk:Shshshsh/Archive 18

Re: Hey!
But what about the sourcing of her brothers' information? That information needs sourcing. Moreover, regarding the awards sourcing, additional size that goes into reference does not matter. Readable text size remains same. The article is on the brink of FA-hood. So, as needed, modifications must be done.

To be truthful, despite being a prolific and great creator of articles, you are not good at handling FACs. You commented "I thought there was no need to add that Sangharsh was based on The Silence of the Lambs, but if you already added that - it's fine." Of course you may think so. But when asked in a FAC, either you have to provide the reference, or, you have to make the reviewer agree with your view (which is much more difficult).

Sorry for being harsh, but that's the truth. I have not gone through all the remaining oppose points of Giro. I shall try to address as many as possible. The article is very near there. It's time to "swallow your pride" and do the needful (that phrase within quotation comes from a Surgery text book which used the phrase to describe when a surgeon should stop and revise his decision, however famous that surgeon be). Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding the sentence on brothers, have found a source from Washington Post and added that. Unfortunately, the article is not available free. It needs purchase/registration. However, a copy of the article is available here.--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Can you make a note to use a big green tick on sections of Giros opposes when they have been done. I find his comments extremely difficult to read and it is difficult to see progress is being made. Could you please add a tick to his points that have been addressed so we know what is left to do. Thanks  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 10:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, List of Preity Zinta's awards and nominations is not considered a part of Preity Zinta article. That's an independent article which the reader may or may not chose to read while/after reading Preity Zinta. That article may be considered as a "daughter" article or "supporting" article. Having a daughter article is not a must for an FA, neither it precludes the main article have references. And, internal wiki referencing is not considered as reliable sourcing (eg - " " will not do).
 * Regarding Jolie article, if you are not satisfied with the sourcing of that article, take it to FAR. While Jolie article may act as a model, it is not ideal. rather, the goal with Zinta article is to improve even more.
 * Having references for the awards, does it hurt you (or me, or anybody else)? No. Does it help the article inch towards FA-hood? Yes. So, the references are needed.
 * Regarding reviewers agree, you have the full right to disagree. But the FAC procedure is basically an agreement procedure in which the community (multiple reviewers) agree that yes, the article is adequate to be an FA. So, despite being irritated and stressed by any and every minor points being discussed in the FAC, the FAC nominator (or, the team) has to work towards the agreement of the community. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

More
Sorry to have done the undo. I did it because it's the easiest mode, otherwise it would take more time to reinsert the refs.

And before jumping to any conclusion, just answer this question. Having those references, does it hurt you (or anyone else)? Or, does it cost the article anything? Or, does it do a damage to the article? If yes, how?--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And indeed, since most of the awards and noms can be sourced to the indiafm list, then please do that. You tell that you can do that, so why don't do that? It's not going to damage the article, rather, do good.
 * And regarding Giro's oppose, even Tony withdrew his oppose. The article is very much near there....--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:hurt
Jolie, Davis or Leigh, whatever article it is, our aim with Zinta is to surpass those in quality (and not only to emulate those). Definitely their not having sources falls below the wikipedia standard (or, at least, wikipedia policies/guidelines). So, we can add "citation needed" tags, and if still they remain unsourced, we can take them to FAR. It's not by reducing your own standard that you can equate the injustice, rather, making superior examples by yourself you can make those people see their own faults. Indeed I just added a "citation lacking" message in the awards section of teh Jolie article. Let's see what is the reaction.

"There are Wiki links, there is a daughter article, yet it's considered to be false because there is no source." Let's suppose a person who knows nothing about the workings of wikipedia one day stumbles on the Preity Zinta articles, and the person reads the awards section. He wonders, are all these true? How can he be sure that these are true? By two ways, either by clicking the daughter articles, or, by checking the inline citations here in this Zinta article. If we keep both ways open, it would be helpful. Moreover, this Zinta article itself would then act as a model for other similar articles, not the Jolie or others (which are qualitatively inferior).

I know the pain when teh result of a painstaking effort is seen to be kind of raped by others, for trivial issues. But that's the world, unfortunately. And of course, the BOI thing, no one can adequately express the gratitude to you and Relata, really.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Have placed citation lacking messages in the awards section of all the three articles you mentioned. Let's see... They are not a perfect model for us, we've to surpass them in quality...and with your prolific edits, you can.... Kudos...--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:Done. I've added this to Giro's comments that have been addressed. It was very difficult to follow. The green tick indicates better that any outstanding issues are being tackled. We've used this is in many of the James Bond FA's as it is easier to show that progress is being made. May not seem important but it makes reading an FAC a lot easier particularly for that huge section from Giro and indicates a positive progression. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 13:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter as long as you make it clearer which points have been addressed. I've replaced it with a plain Done if graphics are no longer permitted on FA'S but as long as you show that progression is being made more clearly I don't mind. Looks like you are doing very well in response to this. Regards  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 13:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh that. I can't remember what I suggested before. Looks OK, whether Giro agrees is entirely another thing... ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 17:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

AH got it! I rather liked the suggestion ""After the release of this film, Zinta was often recognised for her versatility as an actress. Critics attributed her characters in Kya Kehna, Sangharsh and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke, as to establishing a new image for leading actresses in Bollywood". Or even "After the release of this film, critics recognized her versatility as an actress and attributed her roles in Kya Kehna, Sangharsh and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke as contributing to new perception of a Hindi film heroine".

This way it implies that critics noted how her performances seem to mark a change in convention without stating "this was the case". This would seem less POV I think but it could do with some further rewording as both of these are still a little awkward. I'll see what Dwai thinks. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 17:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Mmm I see... I wonder if it could be reworded to kill two birds with one stone and not to imply this...  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 17:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Or even "During this period, critics recognized her versatility as an actress and attributed her roles in Kya Kehna, Sangharsh and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke as contributing to new perception of a Hindi film heroine". ..... -a possibility. Eurovision is on very soon I think. I forgot it was May 24, time goes so quickly!! Its unbelievable how many articles we have on the subject, practically every song, singer audition etc produced in any country in any year!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 17:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

That is very good I think (your latest suggestion too). Personally I think that reads better in terms of neutrality and weighs better in the POV/fact equation. It gives the reader the information of perception without implying this is an absolute fact (evne if completely true).. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 17:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

"Following her portrayal of a range of characters in Kya Kehna, Sangharsh and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke, Zinta was often recognised for her versatility as an actress. Critics attributed her roles in these films as to establishing a new image for leading actresses in Bollywood". That for me seems an excellent way of putting it my friend. Yes on thinking about it two sentences is very necesssary  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 17:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Or a slight change to your suggestion:

"Following her portrayal of a range of characters in Kya Kehna, Sangharsh and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke, critics commented on how her performances displayed versatility as an actress. They attributed her roles in these films as to establishing a new image for leading actresses in Bollywood".

♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 17:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am always in favour of breaking a larger sentence into two (or more) simpler ones (although I myself cannot do it always due to lack in confidence in sentence construction). And in this instance, the breaking is really good, and easily graspable. Please go ahead and make the change. Reagrds.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree in this..

"Following her portrayal of a range of characters in Kya Kehna, Sangharsh and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke, Zinta was often recognised for her versatility as an actress. Critics attributed her roles in these films as to establishing a new image for leading actresses in Bollywood". That would look just right I think. Best regards  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 17:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, often is fine. And removing "widely" is very good (it's too subjective). This version by Blofeld is nice.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Yesterday there was a two page spread on Shania Twain in the newspaper about her split from Mutt Lange. It had some revelations and that that she is very insecure with her looks and sometimes feels ashamed of fame and said that she couldn't look people in the eye for many years in case they recognized her. It made me feel even more fond of her knowing her feelings. Beautiful in every way. I could have sworn the newspaper used the quotes from the wikipedia article "When I began singing I wanted to be a backing singer for Dolly Parton or Stevie Wonder,[13] I didn't sign up to be a model or actress and didn't want fame," she has said. "For me it's all about music. Music is when I feel at my best, spiritually, emotionally and physically" This was in the newspaper article exactly. Have a guess how much her and Mutt Lange are worth? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 11:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC) You said it almost exactly!! £500 million so about "$1 billion" probably like AUS $1.3 billion -I have no idea what the conversion rates are these days. The couple are like two of the most successful people in the history of music! Her palace in Switzerland - 46 rooms. Could you imagine heating the place!!

Shahid please be honest, what do you think of the new map and infoboxes to articles like Dali, Yunnan, Gejiu and Jianshui County. Most of the chinese articles on places look crap, do you think this improves them? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 13:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah thanks my friend. China is a stunningly beautiful country and like countries Burma has a bad reputation from political reasons and most people know little about them or the landscape. We have about 87,000 town articles to start on China so I will be using the new map and infobox to feature in all of them and throw away the horrid old prefecture maps!! I'm currently making a fool of myself trying to translate Houmt Souk. I don't even speak friggin French beyond primary school level but it was a two line stub see here. Hopefully French speaking ALbert Herring can help me cleanup the translation process. I'll complete translating it and then give it a copy edit with the help of a few people hopefully  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 16:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

There we go. Houmt Souk was two lines long earlier!! Still needs a lot of rewording but hopefully it can be proof read by a french speaker later. Not a bad start eh? I wish it was easy to translate articles between the wikipedias. This site would be a much better place if we could completely translate articles completely accurately without mis translations. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 18:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah I missed Eurovision. My mum said it was awful anyway. Yes some guy on radio said the Russian winner was a dead ringer for Manchester United footballer Gary Neville. I couldn't really see much resemblance. But apparently it was so bad Terry Wogan is considering giving up the commentary. He has always laughed at the performers anyway but if he is considering leaving -thats something! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 19:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Jolie edits
Yes, I noticed that. The editor cited IMDb as source. then I asked in WikiProject Films a question, and got replies, see this. Now, in Jolie talk page, I'll add that IMDb as such is not a RS. So please add RS. This might lead to something else... let's see.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Zinta lead
IMO, "In addition to movie acting, Zinta has written a series of popular columns for BBC News Online South Asia, is a regular stage performer, and along with boyfriend Ness Wadia she is a co-owner of the Indian Premier League cricket team Kings XI Punjab." is fine.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, you made it one way or the other...
I was a bit surprised to find that Raul had closed the FAC while I was literally in the middle of some comments, but so be it, I suppose. As a good faith effort, I'd be ever so grateful if you could finish addressing the remaining points that were not struck out. Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats!!! - KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 (talk) 05:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Much deserved! Check your email  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 12:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Blofeld has said the rest. Great work, hope to see more and more now...--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Congrats!!! This story has ended in a truly Bollywood style! Now all we need is some dancing! :) GizzaDiscuss  &#169; 13:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Great work, Shahid! John Carter (talk) 15:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

What's up next?
So, what is the wish now? Any other actor?--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Kareena kapoor article seems to be in a good stage. Shilpa Shetty was also seeming good when I last checked.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, Bachchan-saab may be a tough nut to crack, but I would love to take part in a collaboration around the B. Aditya (talk • contribs) 15:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My hat's off for your patience in securing the Zinta FA-hood! This round of beer is from me! Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 16:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
I'm more than a bit stunned by some of your language, like being a "reference point for all aspiring Wikipedians", and am rather surprised to think anyone thinks of me in such terms, but you have my profoundest thanks. I am going to honestly try to do what I can to measure up to such compliments. John Carter (talk) 15:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Tough question. Maybe "After earning degrees in English honors and criminal psychology, Zinta ..." might be enough here. English honors is probably relevant to an actress and thus merits attention, and criminal psychology is the employment field she seemed to be interested in, so it should be mentioned as well. And thanks again. John Carter (talk) 15:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL
Hey Shahid, I don't think you are a moron.. LOL. Over the past month or so, I just felt that as if you didn't want to talk with me anymore. That is why, I never tried to bother you!! Anyways, kindly accept this barnstar as you truly deserve it.

CONGRATS!!
Congratulations Shahid! I just found out about the Preity Zinta article! Well done mate, I hope you add this to your already long list:

In continuation of our last conversation, Im in exam mode for now. So I'll probably be done by July-ish. I should be returning to uni in late September/early October (if I pass!). So your originally from India? Whereabouts? I have family in India, their scattered everywhere in fact. What do you plan to study when you get back? With your dad dabbling in business you must travel a lot then? I'd love to go Melbourne. I've only seen views of the city in films namely: Salaam Namaste! Hope your well, and again congratulations :-) -- Pa7 17:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi! Thanks for the kind words! Yes, I live in London. I've been to India many times. My family mostly live in Mumbai but I have family in Goa, Surat and Kolkata. I haven't been to the latter though. I love the weddings in India, over here in the UK, the weddings are boring! I wanna go during Holi and Diwali. I wanna travel around India soon, just go everywhere. I've always wanted to go to Kerala, the climate and greenary looks spectacular. Did you just stay in Melbourne or did you travel around Aussie land? -- Pa7 19:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Another sexy brunette in a lovely green dress. Such a shame it will have to be deleted. Why do these people upload images and claim to have taken them! Have a look at the gallery of her at myspace. OMG !! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 21:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Oh yes I know about that. I wonder how implausible it would be that Preity Zinta has visited wikipedia too. Surely she must have seen wikipedia some time or other!! Hey great news Shahid, the bot I requested to be set up has been approved Bots/Requests for approval/FritzpollBot. This means a potential 1.8 million articles will be added to wikipedia in the next few montsh and get all place son a google map onto wikipedia. Great news isn't it!! I hope you don't have to leave any time real soon, I know you said something about having to leave. I would miss having your friendship for sure. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 11:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh guys c'mon! That woman has had too much plastic surgery!! LOL! Yeh, I think I would consider myself an NRI, after all I was born in the UK. Obviously, the fact that I am a NRI, did not make me feel better when I saw Swades. I didn't know Melbourne had a Indian population. I though most of the Indians were around Sydney... hmmm, interesting. I'm currently in the middle of exams, then I'm free by July, then back at uni for September, so I should be done properly by next April/May. Time fly's though, it should go quickly. -- Pa7 16:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Well done about the article. Poor old PZ crying on Saturday night after that headless performance against CSK.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Oh don't remind me that :) - after several consecutive wins, they sign the IPL with such a defeat. But I don't really understand anything here... Is there a final winner now? Anyway, I'd rather think of her upcoming films, which I'm looking forward to. She has moved to art cinema, and has worked with directors like Rituparno Ghosh and Deepa Mehta (have you heard of them?), which is much more important to me and to PZ herself. Thanks again, Blnguyen. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  11:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, no I hadn't heard of any of those things. Shane Warne and Rajasthan won. It would have been funnier if SRK and PZ acted as 12th man. I wonder if there is a rule against having females in a male team?  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

could you please do me a favor?
Hello,

I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?


 * 1) 	I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
 * 2) 	I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.

The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.

Sincerely

J n W talk 07:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hola
Ernst Stavro Blofeld       $1 million? 11:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Si. Did you know about Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot creating up to two million new articles ??. Some clown publicised the proposal to the world without proper discussion first and created a straw poll which turned sour with over 160 people. I spent much of yesterday trying to justify the improvement of wikipedia. Ernst Stavro Blofeld       $1 million? 12:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Shahid. Some new articles 1972 Nicaragua earthquake, Media and telecommunications in Seychelles, Ar Rifa` and Pedro St. James Castle. I hope you are still interested in wikipedia and myself now you have the crown!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 19:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I know, if I could get the bot approved to add places automatically I could concentrate on what I do best! I've currently requested that the vandal on the Salman Khan article is blocked but apparently he has to have another warning. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 21:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I am doing well Mister Shahid ;)
From what I can remember, she played Princess Kaurwaki, and according to the Wikipedia article on her, she was a historical figure. I AM NOT SURE THOUGH!!! Check out the article!! Shahid, I know you are really busy, and so am I but if you could take a look through Kapoor's article and do some copyediting, I would really appreciate it. Later on, I was also thinking of asking User:Dwaipayanc to help me with the copyediting too. After that, I am looking to do a peer review for the article and ultimately making it a GA. That is as far as I would like Kapoor's article to go. What do you say?? Regards -- Bolly wood Dreamz  Talk 03:39, 8 June 2008

IIFA
Hi Shahid,

Good to hear from you and I appreciate your insights. I do agree with you about Filmfare and National Film Awards being the best known and oldest awards. Before reverting my edits, however, I wonder if I could try and make an argument for IIFA? Of course, consensus rules here, but I would like to share my thoughts on this. Let me know what you think. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, let me congratulate you for helping to bring Preity Zinta to FA status. I know that you invested a great deal of time and energy into it. That's great news and no, I hadn't heard about it. Do let me know when it is "Today's Featured Article." Also, I did not know about the "National Film Awards" for LRMB. If you have a few moments, could you add the four awards to this article, List of Lage Raho Munna Bhai awards?


 * As for award ceremonies in India, I have been thinking about this for awhile, particularly since there are so many of them. You make many fair arguments above and I think most would agree that the National Film Awards and Filmfare are the oldest.


 * However, Notability (films) guidelines moves these arguments beyond what is generally known about these two awards - that they are the oldest. The guidelines:
 *  A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Thus, the National Film Awards would not fit because they receive very little coverage in India and abroad relative to Filmfare and the others. As for the other ceremonies, of course they all receive a great deal of coverage in South Asia. However, international coverage is limited (unless it is the press of the country in which the ceremony is taking place). In contrast, however, I have been impressed over the past few years with the level of international coverage received by the IIFA (regardless of where the ceremony is taking place). For example:


 * The BBC
 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1915331.stm
 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/6506355.stm


 * The Hollywood Reporter
 * http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/asia/thailand/e3i0c79027147aedf759968bdece3cde47c
 * Variety
 * http://www.variety.com/awardcentral_article/VR1117985065.html?nav=news&categoryid=1983&cs=1
 * The Times Online
 * http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/bollywood/article4098331.ece


 * The Wikipedia is an international, rather than national project and thus the level of international coverage is an issue for notability. As far as I know, none of the other ceremonies receive this kind of international coverage and thus this creates an argument of notability for the IIFA.
 * -Classicfilms (talk) 17:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, here's another question for you then. According to this table, NFA -> Filmfare -> Star Screen -> Stardust/IIFA/Zee Cine/Bollywood Movie Awards - how is the choice of Filmfare justified as that is what most of the existing tables record? By this chart, the only tables should be NFA. What has been the logic for listing the Filmfare tables which complies with NPOV? -Classicfilms (talk) 18:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's another question for you then. According to this table, NFA -> Filmfare -> Star Screen -> Stardust/IIFA/Zee Cine/Bollywood Movie Awards - how is the choice of Filmfare justified as that is what most of the existing tables record? By this chart, the only tables should be NFA. What has been the logic for listing the Filmfare tables which complies with NPOV? -Classicfilms (talk) 18:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, why would you think that? You made very valid arguments and convinced me so I thought I would remove the tables. Wait until I do that and then I have another question for you. Realize that when I added these tables, I was not aware of the ongoing discussions - you explained them very well. I'll be back in a few moments. -Classicfilms (talk) 19:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

New question
Ok, I've removed all of the tables. As I just wrote, you made a valid case for the current limitation. Now I have a new question. Currently the only table is "Filmfare" - best film. As you know, there are two categories - "Filmfare" - best film and "Filmfare" Critics choice best film. I am wondering how it is not POV to limit this table to only the best film category and not the critics choice one? Thanks, -Classicfilms (talk) 19:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip about where the discussions began. In the future, if I make edits to film articles that go against a discussion such as this one, could you clue me in first? It's so hard to keep track of all the decisions made in the WP. I do think that if POV is a concern, then both "Best Film" and "Critics Best Film" should be included - to pick one and not the other is POV. I don't want to give you more work - I'll just go ahead and add the tables. I'll put a note on your page to let you know when they are finished. Thanks for your help :-) - Classicfilms (talk) 19:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've added tables for Filmfare Critics Award for Best Movie from the years 1994 - 2008, beginning with Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa, since this was the most consistent path (i.e. in terms of a smooth chronological list). The only glitch is with Halo the 2001 winner which does not have an article. So I suppose future film projects would be to create an article for this film and to fill in the gaps and create articles for the winners prior to 1994. -Classicfilms (talk) 20:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, I like all kinds of films. -Classicfilms (talk) 23:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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LOL what?? Oh sorry I've been away I'm managed to stop sneezing this afternoon enough to edit! Feels like I've been away ages. My editing will still be infrequent over the week or two. How are you? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 19:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Ah sometimes I feel less like wikiying. A week or so away does a lot to refocus and become enthusiastic again. Aside from this I've bearing the brunt of hayfever which makes concentrating on editing difficult!!! I may miss another day or two over the next week. Don't worry the new geobot project has been approved and several hundred of thousands of new articles will be added to wikipedia as a result of it in the comming months!! I also have a fair bit of info from my book and some web sources to write a half decent article on Wildlife of Seychelles which I'll develop and rewrite later in the week. I'd like to see some articles develop on Indian films now and fill out all those stubs!!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 19:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Both. Hey in two weeks time my sister is going on three holidays in one go!!! Shes going to the Galapagos first for a week, then she is off to ALaska for two weeks. Then she flies to Miami and then to Quito and begins a 7 weeks tour of South America!!! Remember in February she also went to Costa Rica and Nicaragua!! In the beginning of September she moves back to Wales from California where she has been living for a year and starts work just one day later!! Shes almost bankrupt now but she has her own house which is so important already although she'll be paying off the mortgage for the next 25 years!!. Mi hermana es loca!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 19:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Sí amigo. Este es muy correcto. I was talking in terms of her prolific spending and general zest for life. We've always been fascinated in travel since we were kids. LOL we used to have a set of jigsaws of different countries and would often talk about visiting them. I remember my sisiter always saying how she'd like to visit all 50 US states!! Well shes done about 34 of them, not bad. She did plan on going to Japan and China this year but of course the Beijing olympics would kind of make it uneasy. She plans on going next year. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 19:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)