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Blof's message
Thankyou Shahid! Although my good friend User:Nvvchar also deserves a lot of credit. How are you? Middle of winter where you are isn't it. It's hot and stuffy here! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 21:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiousity is there any actress in Bollywood or model in India who is strongly frowned on and seen as a slapper? Rakhi Sawant looks pretty dirrty LOL, so does Koena Mitra. Who would you say is regarded badly for being "promiscous".? Yeha I'd say Sawant looks pretty nasty LOL, this looks like the "starlet" on the cover of the Blink 182 album Enema of the State. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Really? She looks really classy to me... Sawant really looks rather tacky and cheap! I heard something about Mallika that they made a naughty film and imposed her in it when the actual "starlet" was a Mexican named Lolly. A lot of people actually think it was Mallika in it. Is this true? Can you tell me about her and her ordeals with the public? I do like a bit of gossip everynow and then! I especially like to hear things about India as in my view Indian society appears to be extremely strict morally (judging by the Shilpa Shetty- Richard Gere overreaction. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 22:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You haven't explained why.. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I was surprised when I saw an interview of hers how arrogant she seemed, just like Kareena Kappor you're right. For some reason I had thought Mallika was quite shy and quiet and a really nice person. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 08:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for stepping into Jaya Bachchan article, the user Active Banana, seems to be in a habit of such acts, see User talk, I do not know constructive such actions are! Anyways... thanks again! --Ekabhishektalk 10:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

PS: There is a section on Political Career in older edit here which was also deleted, is it worthy of being restored, or its facts added back?!--Ekabhishektalk 10:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Just dropped by, so responded to the message! :)--Ekabhishektalk 12:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

 Hello Shshshsh, Ekabhishektalk 12:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Indian films
Hello Shahid. Something ocurred to me. The license for PD India is set at 60 years, This means that in 40 years time all of the images of Bollywood films from 1930 to 1990 will be public domain!! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 18:34, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Not excited by free photos of Nargis? The sexiest Indian woman I've ever seen is Bipasha Basu I must admit, she really does it for me, but what was she thinking with Ronaldo? Urrgh.. Aishwarya Rai and Mallika are beautiful but are just not as sexy. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 09:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Ever seen Dragonfly (film)? Funny. It has a rotten 7% rating on Rotten Tomatoes but I swear the last 10 minutes of that film are the most magical I've ever seen in cinema.. I thought the jump over the waterfall, bus scene wear he is drowning and meets his dead wife and then the village scene and the baby was absolutely amazing. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 12:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Have you seen it?? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 08:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Well the trailer is here but it shows nothing of the last ten minutes except the waterfall jump. I've sene a huge number of films and honestly the last ten minutes of the film are amongst the best footage I've ever seen in a film. Deeply moving and engrossing. I'm shocked just how badly critics rate it. I thought it was an outstanding film, especially the last ten minutes. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 08:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

My Dad thought it was excellent too. I saw You, Me and Dupree yesterday. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Why do you revert everything?!?
Shahid, You should know by now that I am not a vandal. You just reverted an edit that I made to Kal Ho Naa Ho for no good reason. The names of the unlinked actors do not really need to be in bold, do they? Let's work together, not against each other, man. BollyJeff ||  talk  20:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the apology. I guess I am a little sensitive about reverts because I am trying to do good. But you know we don't own WP, and you might give yourself a heart attack trying to police every sub-optimal edit made on all the articles you follow. At some point it must be accepted that WP will not always be perfect, no? Someone may add something that is lacking in grammar or citations, but it might be valid info. Eventually someone else will come along and clean it up, hopefully.  BollyJeff  ||  talk  16:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

FYI an abusive account is being investigated
An abusive account that has created sock accounts reflective of your name is being officially investigated. Active Banana (talk) 00:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Thank you
Re your message: You're welcome. Unfortunately, some people have unhealthy obsessions. Hopefully he will get tired of it soon and stop. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Re your message: Ah, okay, I was wondering where all of this started. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Re:Succession boxes
Just wanted to ask, there are other articles which have succession boxes as well. What about those? Second, Is it possible to create a template for Filmfare best debut?-- Managerarc   (talk)  15:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot!-- Managerarc   (talk)  17:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Peer review
Hey there Shahid. I have started a peer review for Kapoor's article. I would really appreciate if you took the time to comment at Peer review/Kareena Kapoor/archive2. Share your inputs on it please so that any discrepancies can be eliminated. Thanks --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 16:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit Help
Hello there Shahid. I was wondering if you would like to help me copyedit Ameesha Patel's page since you mentioned you were interesting on working on it sometime. Do you think maybe we can get in touch so that we can add more information to the page in terms of what's necessary and what's not? Thanks! :-)

Aryan1992 (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Sock is back
Re your message: Some people just don't give up. Account blocked and semi-protection reset. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Another sock
Re your message: Sorry about the delay getting back to you. I see that YellowMonkey has already blocked the account. And another account, too. Must have done a CU on him. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

A matter at ANI regarding an issue that you have been involved in
I have taken to WP:ANI an incident which involved a comment that another editor made about you on my talk page. See: Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents Active Banana (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I miss you too!!
Hello! How are you! Thanks for the link! Her voice was a bit husky, probably had a February cold but she was looking as gorgeous as ever (of course). I wonder who she is dating these days after that rat poodle husband shagged their personal asistant behind Shani's back!! She deserves so much better, although Mutt Lange as a record producer is to be greatly respected... I've been playing a little piano of late and working out like Salman Khan! How is Indian cinema these days, and the last decent film you saw was?? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 19:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeha I noticed that, its like she is still stuck in 2006/7. It must be very disappoiting for you to only see her with small cameo roles and not being the central actress with the leading part. She has done very little in the last few years, nothing in 2009 but a cameo. Any idea why? Cricket, Nes Wadia? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Just what is she doing with herself!! Well I have User:Dr. Blofeld/DYK but that is hardly representative of my real contributions!! I'm currently working through the Dictionary of National Biography and the Chilean Dictionalry of National Biography in Spanish and trasnwiking some Egyptologists. You might enjoy Naqa, on that note or if you can stomach it have a bit of powdered Deer penis or Tiger penis. lol Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou friend! Well I do earn a bit writing on a jazz guitar website but nowhere near the amount I'd like to be making but maybe I ought to start writing books combing real world places and events or whatever with fiction. As you know I come from a family of writers, painters and musicians. I'm probably a more talented musician than I am a writer though.... Of late I've been playing a lot of jazz and classical music. I particularly like playing along to Andres Segovia, John Williams (guitarist), the beautiful Ana Vidovic and a bit of flamenco Paco de Lucia on my classical guitar. I'll post you are youtube video of Ana, tell me what you think! Oh ever heard of Mr. Luthria?. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Have a listen and watch of this. I love her!! I think I said about her before but have a listen! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Ever heard of Gary Lineker? Damn I'm jealous of him. His wife grew up only ten miles from me. Check out this and this. She looks a little like Catherine Zeta but a little more slutty (which is a good thing!!!). I find her very sexy, except her local accent....  Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Well?? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:12, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Haha, I missed your reply!! Yeah she is a little rough, coming from a rough neighbourhood of Cardiff, (she's rougher than she looks) but one of the finest Welsh beauties in my view. Very sexy. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Looking like Zeta here. You can kind of see she is a tough girl, albeit a stunningly beautiful one. She wouldn't take any nonsense from anybody!! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Kirsty Gallagher] and Susie Amy I think are very pretty too. I can't think of too many exceptionally hot British women though... Also hot is Laila Rouass but she's half Indian, half Moroccan! I'm pretty sure we have the same taste in women. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 17:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah she's definately in the top 5 hottest British women. Check out the body here. Probably the prettiest face. Dark hair and blue eyes always does it for me. LOL my dad has (had) black hair and blue eyes when he was younger. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

WOW check out this!. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I find her perfect, very pretty but very HOT!! She never makes it into the top 10 poles, she's lucky if she appears in the top 100. Sad really, the people who conducts such poles have no idea. Ugly chicks like Lily Allen, Agyness Deyn and Kate Moss always appear in the top 10. Keira Knightly is always in the top lists too. She's good looking but sexy, really?? Emma Watson is average looking too, although she gets extra points for being exceptionally intelligent. Kate Beckingsdale and Liz Hurley are far hotter. The sexiest older woman in the UK is either Joanna Lumley or Honor Blackman. Both were very sexy in their prime in the 60s and still keep it. Lumley has the sexiest voice I've ever heard on a female, have you heard her speak? Very posh but boy o boy does that voice turn me on. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

An editor suspected of being a sock of a user who stalks you is being discussed at ANI
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Active Banana (talk) 21:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You do make a valid point... Let me see what I can do. --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 17:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that it is not needed? I've been formatting the sources according to Template:Cite news and Template:Cite web. As for the JWM image, I had earlier uploaded this but later changed it to the current version. Is the previous one better or do you need another one? --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 17:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This one is not bad. Other images that I found were: this, this and this. --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 17:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL... those were the only ones I could find. I did find other images but these were the best ones to show her character in the film. BTW what is wrong with the one that we are using right now? --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 17:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I really really like this image but the watermark ruins it completely. Here are some other images that I found: 1, 2, 3, and 4. --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 16:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If I somehow manage to remove the watermark from this image, would it be a better option over the one you chose? --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 03:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay... BTW whichever image that I upload, would you recommend uploading it under the same file name or another one? If we were to do the latter, we could just nominate the old one for deletion. --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 17:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Please dont take a hard line
K. J. Yesudas and P. Susheela are not well known playback singers. Secondly Lata and Asha are not the only two female singers of Indian film industry. You have to maintain a neutral point of view. Ur bap (talk) 18:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Inexperienced?
Shahid, you order me not to edit without consulting you, because you are the more experienced editor.

1)That's totally inappropriate. You don't own the article and you can't order other editors to consult you.

2) I started editing in early 2004, with the Bollywood article. I worked hard for several years, then realized that I was exhausted and constantly angry. A Pashtun accusing me of favoring Punjabis, re the article on salwar kameez, was the last straw. I stopped editing in 2007, and have only recently started work on a few articles again. Up until 2007, I was one of the high-edit-count editors at WP, also one of the minority of editors who researched and started substantive new articles. I'm rusty on WP syntax, after the long hiatus, but I'm not inexperienced. Zora (talk) 19:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Andrés Segovia
Shahid. Please can you put this article on your watchlist and revert anybody who restores the crappy bla bla bla 61 kb version. 80% of it was unencyclopedic quotes and completely unfocused. I kept most of the main points and cleaned it up. An ip address reverted me to the messy verison with loads of cleanup tags. Can you do this for me? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Really? Are you a fan of his? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

What's the worst film you've ever seen? Out for a Kill comes close. The acting in that film is diabolical.Steve Seagal as a leather jacket wearing archaeologist LOL. He must be the least convincing archaeologist ever. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I bet Out for Kill matches any of them. I can't think of a worse film off hand. Honestly everything about it is shockingly bad, diabolical lighting, acting, script. Dreadful. see here at the bottom. That's exactly what I thought. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Hola. I've emailed. Can you give me the list of Indian actors you want me to make a montage for? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. He is just miffed because i remove the 300 quotes he added. He tinks that in order for it to be neutral the article must have 300 quotes. If you read the article it is perfectly neutral with no POV issues. The only claim that he was one of the finest of the twnetieth century is supported by three sources and is well known to many anyway. its a fact. Dr.  Blofeld  - 15:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC) 12:07, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Images on article
Shahid, on Kapoor's peer review, User:Elcobbola made a comment regarding the use of non-free images on the article. Since you have had experience with this during Zinta's FAC, do you know what he is talking about? --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 18:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that... but this is what worries me: "To take File:Kapoor JabWeMet.jpg as an example: how does this screen demonstrate that this was a milestone? A reader won't know that without reading; the image does nothing to convey that knowledge (NFCC#1). How does this screen show a zest for life? If it did, why wouldn't prose also be sufficient to convey such information? How does this screen show that she won an award or the reason therefore? The final rationale point is boilerplate nonsense. What is the significant contribution to understanding of Kapoor? Providing illustration is not, in and of itself, contribution to understanding." --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 18:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

TZP is being developed
Hey there, Taare Zameen Par is being developed (the title was reverted back after a community vote, which was fine with me -- my issue was compliance with WP naming rules) - with the future goal of going for an FAC. Take a look if you have time, or if you can think of other editors who might be interested in working on it, perhaps you can spread the word. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm also swamped in RL for the moment. I'd really like to see this article move to FAC. User:Ophois has also added quite a bit to the article and is someone to work with to move it in the FA direction. Please also spread the word - I really think the TZP article has the potential to become an FA if enough people work on it. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Sock
Caught another. Btw, could you take part in my photo poll please. It needs more data for the selections for the article. Thanks  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  02:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  07:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

On the same matter, I don't have any of the target pages on my watchlist so it be hard for me to spot new socks unless they're pointed out. But if you need a third-party to intervene in a specific situation I'd be happy to help.  Will Beback   talk    23:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Dr.Mukesh111: got it. I left the article at semi to serve as a honey pot.  Will Beback    talk    14:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Preity Zinta
Hi. Please leave the sorting be. It is being done for multiple reasons and after much discussion. There is also a major accessibility concern with rowspans; see:


 * User:RexxS/Accessibility for a demonstration. There's also:


 * Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (accessibility)

Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, thank you for your formatting on the article. About the sortable thing, it's never been a major issue and I can see no consensus regarding it but only a simple discussion. No rules imposed here. I thank you for your willingness, but this is just a matter of personal preference. This article has always followed simple Wikitable style, just like many other actor FAs. It's better to leave it the way it was. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  08:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

a quarter of a meg of fun ;)
 * Can we please keep this in one place?
 * There has been months of discussion, spread all over the place, unfortunately. The origin of this is at:
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Archive 5
 * That led to the other RfC and User:Rossrs and I have reached an agreement on this. There were several ANI threads that effectively determined that this sort of clean-up is appropriate. I even updated WP:ACTOR to reflect all this (it's long been using Preity Zinta as an example). I'm going to ping Rossrs and ask him to comment. Did you listen to RexxS's example? Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * As of now, I'm reverting the page to its previous revision. That's how almost all the possible filmographies are structured. As said, it's quite a matter of personal preference, and I think if it was formatted in this way all these years, it can remain as it is. I'll consult someone else in the meaniwhile. Thanks, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  08:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with it back for discussion. We'll see what others say. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * More; I see you've worked a lot on this, probably had a lot to do with it getting to FA. I've been here before, too. My intent has always been to move such pages towards standards; this is just the next step. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:47, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Shahid, It's been a long time since we've spoken hasn't it?  I think the last time we spoke at length was when the awards fields were taken out of the infobox, and you disagreed with that, and we ended up talking about favourite actresses.  I found the old talk and it was in April 2009.  I wouldn't have thought it was so long ago.  I do agree with the idea of removing rowspans and making tables sortable.  The sortability feature is part of WP:Tables so I guess it's been a "standard" Wikipedia approach for some time, even if it hasn't been widely implemented.   I think there are some positives in using it.  The standard format is kind of limiting and it arbitrarily chooses the style for all users.   To give one example, some users prefer to read the table from newest to oldest per the IMDb format.  I know I've spent hours reversing numerous filmographies and lists over a period of time, but I've been thinking that isn't the fairest approach because obviously the person who started it, preferred the other option.  That all gets down to opinion, and I agree that one person's opinion shouldn't be worth more than another person's opinion.   I think the point about accessibility is far more compelling.  If you listen to the example at User:RexxS/Accessibility you'll see a typical rowspan table, but when you listen to the audio it makes absolutely no sense, and for someone who may be vision impaired and dependent on software to read articles for them, we're making things very difficult for them, and unnecessarily.   I know a lot of these rowspan tables have been in place for a long time, and I've created a number of them myself, but Wikipedia is looking ahead to provide more accessibility to all potential users, and this change would be of little to no disadvantage to people with perfect vision.  I think it goes hand in hand with innovations such as WP:ALTTEXT.  I think a lot of these tables exist in the rowspan format because people don't realize that it limits accessibility, but if we know it is a problem and don't try to address it, that's not a good thing.  It's the issue of accessibility that makes it more than a personal style preference.  I think it's something that's relevant project-wide rather than article-by-article. Rossrs (talk) 09:19, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey again. Okay then, it sounds very rational. Would you want this option to be implemented in every BLP actor article? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:35, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I thought it would be easier to keep the discussion in one place. There may be some unusual cases where the table is too complex to remove rowspans, and we'd have to look at those individually. but in general I would say yes to your question.   Most of the existing tables use a fairly simple structure and could be easily and effectively adapted.  Cheers, Rossrs (talk) 21:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Good to see ;) Shahid, this is all goodness and will reap benefits for the project on all sorts of tables besides film stuff. I'd be glad to bring you in on all of this and see you take care of lots of the Bollywood actor pages. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi again, Shahid. Have you had a chance to think this over any further?  I've been offline for a couple of days, so I'm catching up on what's been going on since I've been offline.  It's been a few days since you asked me to clarify.  Your comments suggest that you may be considering this as a suitable approach, and if this is the case, would you like to revert the table back to the sortable version without rowspans?  Or if you still have concerns please let me know and I'd be happy to discuss this further.  To be honest, I wasn't exactly crazy about this idea first time I heard it, and I opposed it initially, but I came to believe that the reasons for implementing it were stronger than the reasons for retaining the rowpans.  It's being looked at for tables in general rather than only filmographies, so looking at it from a wider perspective, I think it's a useful change.  Rossrs (talk) 09:10, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

FAC
Shahid, since Kapoor's peer review has come to an end (it well could be since no one else has been commenting on it), do you think I should nominate the article now? Or do you think I should wait a while? I won't be here from August 28 onwards; do you think 3 weeks is enough for the FAC process? --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 15:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not ideally, if reviewers come up with wondeful suggestions for you to work on. The Madonna FAC wen on for more than that actually. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 06:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * ha, Legolas is so right. The Madonna FAC looked like it was going to last forever, but it finally got there.  A lot of people made useful suggestions, so the promoted version was much stronger than the version originally put up for nomination.   It can be disappointing and frustrating while you're dealing with it, but worth the effort.  Rossrs (talk) 09:17, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

couple
You say "..."couple" is a collective noun. The correct grammar is "the couple are", especially when in context we are discussing two people."

That is usually not the case. Especially if you want to say that the two people are acting together. http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/collective-nouns.aspx http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1714684 http://en.allexperts.com/q/General-Writing-Grammar-680/couple-1.htm BollyJeff ||  talk  21:39, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I am American, which must explain the difference. BollyJeff  ||  talk  01:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Taare Zameen Par
Hello. Classicfilms and I recently overhauled the article for Taare Zameen Par. He mentioned that you were a friend and were in the Indian Cinema wikiproject, so I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look at the article for any concerns or possibilities of improvement? Thanks. Ω pho  is  04:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)